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When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:51 am

Hi Again,

I was watching the movie "Airport" and noticed that the aircraft was boarded using two jetbridges. One for First and one for tourist.

When did this concept stop being used, since it is obviously not in use today?

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:54 am

It is in use today on some A/C.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:55 am

I see it used quite often. I Believe AMS, LHR, FRA all have them.

They cost more money to the airport so that could be a reason I guess.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:59 am

NRT, DTW also use them quite often when boarding Int'l flights.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:59 am

It is still used today around the world. The larger airports that have large widebody aircraft utilize the concept on some gates. Here in the US I know that LAX and SFO both have dual jetbridge gates and I would bet there are others. United is introducing the dual jetbridge concept for Ted flights out of Denver and Southwest utilizes dual jetbridge gates at several of their stations.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:02 am

If I am not mistaken they have/had them in BKK as well. I remember the jetbridge splitting up to F/C and Y classes.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:18 am

MAN and KUL also have it at some gates.
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:26 am

I've boarded at SEA with a dual jetbridge onto a BA 747 (I think).
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:34 am

WN uses Over the wing bridges in ALB (and for the record they are really nice).
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:48 am

Here in YYC, Westjet uses a dual jetbridge system for their 737 fleet. It fits any of their NG's, and also the -200 model (no longer with the airline). Here is a link, with pictures of the jetbridge in use:

http://www.dewbridge.com/gallery/otw_photos.html

It can be a very efficient system when need for fast turn-arounds are necessary.

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:51 am

CDG has them too. I think they are quite commonly used in airports that get lots of wide bodies.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting Eastern1985 (Thread starter):
since it is obviously not in use today

At AMS they obvious do use them. See pics below  smile 

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 2):
I Believe AMS, LHR, FRA all have them

Right!! (at least for AMS)


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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:55 am

Heya,

The type of Jetbride you are asking about can only be used when the aircraft is parked parallel to the airport like this:


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Where as nowadays at most if not at all airports, the aircraft park facing the terminal like this:


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(Top Left Aircraft, B744)

Therefore, they require over-wing double Jetways. In the first photograph, that is when 2 separate Jetways are used.

On another note, in DXB they use this method:


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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:16 am

They pretty much stopped using them after deregulation in the U.S. (1978)when passenger traffic soared and the jetways were needed for additional flights.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:27 am

Westjet at YYC uses one!
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:32 am

I have boarded and de-boarded aircraft using a second jetway, as recently as 2005.

ORD has this system with some of their gates, especially at Terminal 1 (United). When I made my first ever trip to London, UK in 2003, I boarded a UA 777 from ORD gate C16 (or was it C18), a gate with 2 jetways--one for first/business, and the second was for economy. I boarded through the 2nd jetway--the one on the right side of the boarding lounge.

I have arrived at LHR several times (at T3), and T3 has 2 jetways at most of its gates.

I will be flying out of LHR T3 on 9th August to go home for a short summer break, and will be boarding a UA 777 through the 2nd of two jetways at the gate.

So, I have experienced two airports with double-jetway boarding--ORD and LHR.

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Eastern1985 (Thread starter):
When did this concept stop being used, since it is obviously not in use today?

Uhh.. it's obviously in use at almost every major airport in the world.

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 12):
The type of Jetbride you are asking about can only be used when the aircraft is parked parallel to the airport like this

That's not true at all. Look at ATL, DTW, DFW, JFK, MUC, DXB, FCO... in fact, as I said, most of the world's major airports.
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Eastern1985 (Thread starter):
When did this concept stop being used, since it is obviously not in use today?

They're not at every gate, but you can find them at both IAD and DIA, I have used them at each airport.
No idea what the gate numbers were though.

With the amount of people that you can cram into a 739ER and sales success of the 777 and 787 I would think that you might start seing them be added to help reduce turn times.
But... That would also reduce the amount of time that passengers have to hold onto their luggage while waiting to get to their seats; which means that it just makes too much sense for an ailine to do.  Wink

You would almost think that airlines would at least board 757s using 2 jetbridges. Maybe not at every airport, but at like EWR, DFW, ATL, IAH, ORD.
Any airline that has 100 plus 757s and flies them out of a hub should be able to justify the expense based on the shorter turn times at least at the hub airport.

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:36 am

Duel jetways have not been abondended, the question I have is what airports do you normally use and thier terminals?
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 16):
That's not true at all. Look at ATL, DTW, DFW, JFK, MUC, DXB, FCO... in fact, as I said, most of the world's major airports.

Sorry, you don't understand what i am saying.

In the film 'Airport', the type of jetway Eastern1985 was wondering about can only be used when the aircraft is Parallel to the terminal.

This is because the Jetway's are separate, 1 at the front of the aircraft and the other at the rear. If you were to watch the film, you'd understand what i mean.

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:07 am

Hi all

MAN has them in T1 at gates 22, 26, 29, 30, 23

you can see it in the below link on Google earth

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?
f=q&hl...04,-2.274084&spn=0.002907,0.010729


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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:14 am

Yeah SFO, mainly on the international terminal use the dual jetbridges to board most wide bodied aircraft


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Although the aircraft are not parked with the long section of the fuselage parallel to the building, similar to the pic in 12, they are still quite easily put on the aircraft. I think they normally put the front one on first and then the rear one, but they seem to work rather well. If an airline can use them, they will.

It's even better that for the BA gates at SFO, when you are in the lounge, you can walk straight onto the forward air bridge so that you dont have to go out into the crowd! It's a nice touch.

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 19):
Sorry, you don't understand what i am saying.

In the film 'Airport', the type of jetway Eastern1985 was wondering about can only be used when the aircraft is Parallel to the terminal.

This is because the Jetway's are separate, 1 at the front of the aircraft and the other at the rear. If you were to watch the film, you'd understand what i mean.

I get what you're saying - I can picture photographs of LAX and SFO from the 60s in which aircraft were "parallel parked". Here's one from the database:

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As someone pointed out above, the need to accommodate more aircraft at terminals brought an end to this practice. Fuselages are obviously longer than wings, and parallel parking requires some maneuvering room (read: dead space)

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 22):

That is it EXACTLY!

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting DavidT (Reply 7):
I've boarded at SEA with a dual jetbridge onto a BA 747 (I think).

Those are not dual at the South Satellite.
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 19):
This is because the Jetway's are separate, 1 at the front of the aircraft and the other at the rear.

Ohhh he's talking about the old way they did it, front and back. In the original post it wasn't clear, seemed to me he just meant L1 and L2 doors like they use everywhere today. Yeah if he means front door and back door then yeah, they'd have to be parallel.

Plus they take up more room laterally as well because the wing needs to clear the jetbridges on taxi out, you can't snug the nose in like we do nowadays. That and it's harder to taxi in in the first place.

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 25):
Ohhh he's talking about the old way they did it, front and back. In the original post it wasn't clear, seemed to me he just meant L1 and L2 doors like they use everywhere today. Yeah if he means front door and back door then yeah, they'd have to be parallel.

Plus they take up more room laterally as well because the wing needs to clear the jetbridges on taxi out, you can't snug the nose in like we do nowadays. That and it's harder to taxi in in the first place.

hehe, yeah. Well, i have the DVD here and i watch it alot so i remember exactly how they were layed out. I think most people thought the same as you.

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:05 am

Yes, I was not totally clear. The real question is...

When did the dual jetbridges connected to an aircraft that is parked parallel to the terminal concept end?

EX: Where one jetbridge is attached to the first door and the other to the last door on the right side.

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:47 am

I couldn't find anything on the net, but one time I saw a picture of an overhead view of TWA 707's at JFK parked parallel to the satellites with jetways at the front and rear doors.

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:26 am

Quoting DavidT (Reply 7):
I've boarded at SEA with a dual jetbridge onto a BA 747 (I think).

Yes, Sorry SEA has never had dual boarding at any gate that I have ever seen. Too bad as well. The closet I have ever seen is Markair and Morris Air boarding via the tarmac using both front and rear doors.

As a side note, We flew SEA-SJC-SEA about a month ago on AS and it was amazing how fast boarding and de-boarding was using the tarmac with front and rear doors.
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:44 pm

Back in the 60s at ORD, TW and UA used to park their aircraft parallel to the concourse and use two jetbridges for 707s and DC-8s. For whatever reason, AA installed jetbridges that didn't "pivot", so their planes nosed into the gates, as is now the standard practice.

Besides the fact that parking a plane parallel to the concourse uses more space on the ramp, new aircraft that lacked a rear door, such as the 727 and the DC-9, caused airlines to change how they parked aircraft.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:12 pm

IAH uses them on Terminal E
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:33 pm

ZRH, terminal E, deplaned from inbound flight from YUL one week ago, one for left aisle, the other for the right aisle
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:43 pm

MUC has them (at least on T2) but they are similar to what is found at DXB - they aren't just waiting for the A380 though, I off-loaded from a United 777 using the dual jetways. The Starboard aisle went up through the fore exit and the port aisle went through the aft jetway.


Seen here on the Air China aircraft

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:56 pm

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Boy, this would make a great "name that plane" quiz. What a great visual indication of relative sizes!
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:40 pm

The airports that are getting prepared for the A380 should also get a dual jetbridge for boarding. FRA will use a dual jetway system which will allow boarding from the L1 (the first left main deck door) and the L2 (the first left upper deck door) doors.

Quoting Captainstorck (Reply 33):
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:52 pm

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 2):
They cost more money to the airport so that could be a reason I guess.

Each jetbridge cost roughly $50,000 as of 1998.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:26 pm

Singapore Changi Airport also have dual jet bridges. I dont think they have one with ONLY one jet bridge.

I think in the international terminal at DEL, they also ONLY use Dual Jetbridge

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Edit: SIN dose stand for Singapore Changi right?
Edit: DEL does stand for Delhi right?

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:27 pm

Quoting Lewis (Reply 5):
If I am not mistaken they have/had them in BKK as well. I remember the jetbridge splitting up to F/C and Y classes.

You're correct about BKK.

I recall that when MCI originally opened, TWA had some gates set up with a jetway for the front and rear door of their 707s. The planes parked parallel to the terminal. As others have pointed out, that inefficient use of terminal frontage was quickly abandoned.
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:36 pm

Can anyone help me out by telling me where the 'Airport' film was made? I don't think Lincoln is an airport like they made it out to be. I think all of hte others were produced in DCA.

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:04 pm

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 22):
As someone pointed out above, the need to accommodate more aircraft at terminals brought an end to this practice. Fuselages are obviously longer than wings, and parallel parking requires some maneuvering room (read: dead space)

You're almost right. Though they ended parallel parking around the same time as the first woman became a pilot Big grin
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:21 pm

Yeah, LAX and HNL have them for sure, I've used them...
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:14 pm

United is using or is going to start using two for its TED flights at Denver.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:27 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 36):
Each jetbridge cost roughly $50,000 as of 1998.

What's their useful lifespan? 20 years? I expected it to be more expensive.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:28 pm

Quoting Eastern1985 (Thread starter):
When did this concept stop being used, since it is obviously not in use today?

Apprently they are in use EVERYWHERE except anywhere you have visited... travel more.
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:34 pm

Dock E in Zurich (ZRH) has two jetbridges at almost all gates. Two gates are prepared to get a third one to handle the A 380.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:48 pm

Out of curiosity, when using two jetways with the aircraft parked parallel to the terminal (the "Old way") how was boarding handled?

Did they make an announcement like "Rows 20 and higher from gate 12, rows 19 and lower from gate 10"? Did they have an agent at each gate/jetway or somehow pull it off with one agent?

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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:01 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 39):
Can anyone help me out by telling me where the 'Airport' film was made? I don't think Lincoln is an airport like they made it out to be.

MSP was used for exterior shots and some interior shots to replicate the fictional Lincoln International Airport, which, itself, was imagined by Arthur Hailey as a stand-in for ORD.
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:54 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 35):
The airports that are getting prepared for the A380 should also get a dual jetbridge for boarding. FRA will use a dual jetway system which will allow boarding from the L1 (the first left main deck door) and the L2 (the first left upper deck door) doors.

Actually Thyssen is building a cantilevered jetbridge that will reach to door above the wing. I think FRA has ordered the for some gates for the A380. This will allow boarding with three bridges and turn-around times around 45 minutes for an A380 (according to Thyssen).
 
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RE: When Was Dual Jetbridge Concept Abandoned?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 44):

Apprently they are in use EVERYWHERE except anywhere you have visited... travel more.

You are misinterpreting what he said... read more.

He means parking them parallel behind each other and using the back and front doors to deboard pax.

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