as739x
Posts: 5001
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:23 am

Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:39 am

Employees caught their first glimpse today of a new Boeing 737-400 freighter that Alaska Airlines added to its cargo fleet, the first of five larger cargo aircraft the airline will put into service by the end of 2007.

The all-cargo aircraft provides 50 percent more capacity and more advanced flight guidance capabilities than the 737-200 it replaces.

The new freighter is the first 737-400 in the world to be converted from an all-passenger to an all-cargo configuration.
The introduction of the larger freighter is part of Alaska Airlines’ $100 million plan to expand and modernize its cargo operation to meet the growing demand for its cargo services. The airline is retiring seven 737-200 cargo aircraft and replacing them with five larger 737-400 retrofitted cargo aircraft, including the freighter introduced today, and four “combi” aircraft, which carry passengers and cargo simultaneously.

This new fleet will increase Alaska’s cargo capacity by 20 percent.

“Alaska Airlines’ cargo customers will benefit from the additional capacity on this freighter and the other larger cargo aircraft on their way,” said Matt Yerbic, managing director of cargo. “Our new cargo fleet will allow Alaska Airlines to better serve the growing needs of our cargo customers throughout the state of Alaska and beyond.”

Employees will have the opportunity to work on a one-of-a-kind aircraft that is more reliable and fuel-efficient than the 737-200. The new igloos, used to hold cargo, are clear, so employees can easily detect when they are empty, said Darbie Kirk, cargo marketing manager.

The new igloos hold nearly 400 cubic feet, compared with a capacity of 350 cubic feet for the older models. The new freighter will carry 9½ pallets versus six pallets that fit in the 200s.

Employees in Seattle and Anchorage who will work the freighters received a day of training on the aircraft.

The freighter, which begins scheduled commercial service on Friday, is the first 737-400 in the world to be converted from an all-passenger to an all-cargo configuration. Consequently, the Federal Aviation Administration required a new type certificate for the aircraft.

“Since it’s the first one of its kind, the certification process was lengthy,” Kirk said.

Introduced as a passenger aircraft into Alaska Airlines’ fleet in 1999, the aircraft was retrofitted into its all-cargo configuration by Pemco World Air Services. Pemco also is retrofitting the four 737-400 combi aircraft slated for delivery through 2007.

http://www.alaskasworld.com/NEWS/2006/06/28_freighter.asp

ASLAX
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
 
User avatar
RobK
Posts: 3212
Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:43 pm

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:50 am

What reg is it and do you know the selcal code pls?   

And does it have PTVs and what routes will it fly     

R

[Edited 2006-06-28 19:53:14]
 
as739x
Posts: 5001
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:23 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:12 am

Rob: N709AS Don't have the selcal off hand.

ASLAX
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
 
RyDawg82
Posts: 833
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:30 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:14 am

See also: AS 734 Freighter Arrives Today (by HikesWithEyes Jun 24 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting RobK (Reply 1):
What reg is it and do you know the selcal code pls?  

N709AS and oddly every online DB draws a blank for it's SELCAL...I'll keep looking....

-R
You can take the pup out of Alaska, but you can't take the Alaska out of the pup.
 
User avatar
clickhappy
Posts: 9042
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:10 pm

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:15 am

any idea which route(s) it will be flying on Friday?
 
Cactus739
Posts: 2245
Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:41 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:17 am

I like the Alaska Air Cargo livery on it.... snazzy....

Quoting RobK (Reply 1):
And does it have PTVs and what routes will it fly

LOL
You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
 
User avatar
RobK
Posts: 3212
Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:43 pm

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 3):
N709AS and oddly every online DB draws a blank for it's SELCAL...I'll keep looking....

It is fitted - all the AS aircraft are. Sadly very few of their codes are known though, hence why I asked, in the hope that AS739X would take pity and be a good lad and source me the fleets' codes...  Wink  bigthumbsup 

 spin 

R
 
aeroweanie
Posts: 1577
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:33 pm

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting AS739X (Thread starter):
Consequently, the Federal Aviation Administration required a new type certificate for the aircraft.

Huh? Freighter conversions (and combi conversions) get STCs, not TCs.
 
as739x
Posts: 5001
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:23 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:49 am

Aeroweanie: Huh? I didn't say that. This is a posting from Alaska Airlines! Take it up with the writer of the article!

ASLAX

[Edited 2006-06-29 04:51:51]
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
 
MCOflyer
Posts: 7071
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:51 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:55 am

My guess is to FAI or JNU, but definitely ANC and SEA.

MCOflyer
Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
 
Sinlock
Posts: 1631
Joined: Fri Dec 22, 2000 12:55 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:56 pm

Man that Video is pretty cool... To bad it takes forever to load.
 
RyDawg82
Posts: 833
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:30 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:05 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 1):
What reg is it and do you know the selcal code pls?   

N709AS SELCAL = GM-FS

Hope that helps,
-R
You can take the pup out of Alaska, but you can't take the Alaska out of the pup.
 
sjot
Posts: 24
Joined: Tue May 28, 2002 11:42 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:38 am

 
Cactus739
Posts: 2245
Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:41 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:36 am

Is that Boeing logo and "Proudly All Boeing" going to be added to the entire fleet or just the cargo fleet?
You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
 
lincoln
Posts: 3133
Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:22 pm

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:52 am

Not a bad looking bird... anyone know what the sole remaining window aft of the wing is for? If any of the windows would have been left I would have thought the ones in the exit windows would have [but since they lack the required exit markings, I can only assume that they've been deactivated]

Nice looking livery, but...

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 13):
Is that Boeing logo and "Proudly All Boeing" going to be added to the entire fleet or just the cargo fleet?

Is it just me or should that just read

Proudly All
[Boeing Logo]

instead of

Boeing
Proudly All Boeing

Seems either partially-redundant or potentially confusing to me (Well, of course, Boeing is all Boeing...)

Lincoln
CO Is My Airline of Choice || Baggage Claim is an airline's last chance to disappoint a customer || Next flts in profile
 
as739x
Posts: 5001
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:23 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:12 am

Lincoln: We have all been saying the same here. It just sounds wrong!

Cactus739: Currently they have it on the newest 738. Thats the only other plane I have seen it on.

ASLAX

[Edited 2006-06-29 19:12:55]
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
 
User avatar
HAWK21M
Posts: 29867
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2001 10:05 pm

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:40 am

Shouldn't it be B737-400SF.
regds
MEL
I may not win often, but I damn well never lose!!! ;)
 
BoomBoom
Posts: 2459
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:40 am

Anchorage Daily News:

Quote:
Originally a passenger jet put into service in 1999, the plane now sports a windowless fuselage with the word "cargo" in Alaska's distinctive script. Gone from the interior is any sign of seats or beverage carts. Instead, the bare floors are fitted with rollers to accept cargo pallets.

Alaska is spending $15 million to retrofit the plane and four other 737-400s by the end of 2007, and $10 million more on ground equipment to service them. The five converted 400-models will replace a cargo fleet of seven 737-200s. The 400s can carry 50 percent more cargo while burning 20 percent less fuel than the 200-models.

The freighter will remain one of a kind. The other planes slated for a makeover will become "combi" aircraft that can carry commercial cargo in one compartment and up to 72 passengers in another.

The all-cargo freighter will make two runs a day between Alaska and Seattle, landing once each in Anchorage and Juneau.

http://www.adn.com/money/industries/...lines/story/7913662p-7807299c.html
Our eyes are open, our eyes are open--wide, wide, wide...
 
dhhornet
Posts: 247
Joined: Sat May 13, 2006 4:01 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:52 am

Do the new aircraft have modifications for gravel runways etc? Can the 400s use all the same airports as the 200s they replace ?
 
User avatar
TZTriStar500
Posts: 861
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:33 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 16):
Shouldn't it be B737-400SF.

No, the 'SF' is for Boeing designed conversions. This is s Pemco STC so it is correct to call it a 737-400F.
35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
 
RyDawg82
Posts: 833
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:30 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:24 am

Quoting DHHornet (Reply 18):
Do the new aircraft have modifications for gravel runways etc? Can the 400s use all the same airports as the 200s they replace ?

AS has not served a gravel field in at least one year. Red Dog mine was the last gravel field in the system, and was upgraded to a paved runway. The initial concern with the 400 running around on 200 routes was FOD damage from the materials used in the winter (sand, gravel, etc). The 400 however, has been running all over the state in recent years as the 200s began to retire.
-R
You can take the pup out of Alaska, but you can't take the Alaska out of the pup.
 
dhhornet
Posts: 247
Joined: Sat May 13, 2006 4:01 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:44 am

RyDawg82
That answers that then-thanks!

I am sure more orders and conversions will follow.

How about a 737-500F? Is it viable?
 
Tod
Posts: 1709
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:51 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 19):
No, the 'SF' is for Boeing designed conversions. This is s Pemco STC so it is correct to call it a 737-400F.

Flight Structures has also used SF on it's 747 conversions.
My understanding was that the Special Freighter designation was because it was signifigantly different than the production freighter. In this case a side cargo door instead of the nose door.

Tod
 
lincoln
Posts: 3133
Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:22 pm

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 22):
My understanding was that the Special Freighter designation was because it was signifigantly different than the production freighter. In this case a side cargo door instead of the nose door.

I should probably do a photo search before asking this...but 737-400 factory freighters are nose loading? How does that work?

Lincoln
CO Is My Airline of Choice || Baggage Claim is an airline's last chance to disappoint a customer || Next flts in profile
 
simairlinenet
Posts: 709
Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:24 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:35 am

Will the cargo flights be listed in the Alaska timetable?
 
BoomBoom
Posts: 2459
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 23):
I should probably do a photo search before asking this...but 737-400 factory freighters are nose loading? How does that work?

Here is a photo from the Anchorage Daily News story:



Alaska Airlines rolled out an all-cargo version of its Boeing 737-400 aircraft Wednesday at Anchorage International Airport. Photo by MARC LESTER


Graphic of the freighter configuration:
http://www.alaskasworld.com/NEWS/2006/06/28_freighter_config.asp

[Edited 2006-06-30 01:43:09]
Our eyes are open, our eyes are open--wide, wide, wide...
 
Tod
Posts: 1709
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:51 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 23):
Quoting Tod (Reply 22):
My understanding was that the Special Freighter designation was because it was signifigantly different than the production freighter. In this case a side cargo door instead of the nose door.

I should probably do a photo search before asking this...but 737-400 factory freighters are nose loading? How does that work?

I was just refering to where the SF designator has been used. In the case I was refering to it was a non-Boeing modified 742SF.

Sorry about the confusion.

Tod
 
lincoln
Posts: 3133
Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:22 pm

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:33 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 26):
I was just refering to where the SF designator has been used. In the case I was refering to it was a non-Boeing modified 742SF.

Ahhhhha... That makes sense; thanks for the clarification. I was trying to figure out how you could do that to a 73x...and it seemed like it would be fairly painful to do  Smile

Lincoln
CO Is My Airline of Choice || Baggage Claim is an airline's last chance to disappoint a customer || Next flts in profile
 
User avatar
EA CO AS
Posts: 13438
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:12 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 23):
I should probably do a photo search before asking this...but 737-400 factory freighters are nose loading? How does that work?

Here's an even better way to illustrate how it all works - video!  bigthumbsup 

http://www.alaskasworld.com/NEWS/2006/06/Freighter.wmv
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan

Comments made here are my own and are not intended to represent the official position of Alaska Air Group
 
User avatar
HAWK21M
Posts: 29867
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2001 10:05 pm

RE: Alaska 737-400F: Final Here!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:51 pm

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 19):
No, the 'SF' is for Boeing designed conversions. This is s Pemco STC so it is correct to call it a 737-400F

Whats was the Difference between the STCs.
regds
MEL
I may not win often, but I damn well never lose!!! ;)

Who is online