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Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:26 pm

Im asking because ive heard so many great things about them from passengers. I'd like to see where my opportunities are to fly one.

Are they using them in many small markets?
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:32 am

I dont know if this helps...http://www.republicairlines.com/images/destinations/map2.pdf
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:41 am

DCA-SRQ is a new route
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting N9512c (Reply 1):
I dont know if this helps...http://www.republicairlines.com/images/destinations/map2.pdf

Just keep in mind that the route map has expanded some since MidAtlantic is no longer flying, with Republic taking over all routes now.

MCO-EYW is also a new route.

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[Edited 2006-06-29 17:45:19]
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:20 am

I'm departing and returning to PWM on E170's. I only hope my flights don't change, I recently heard the USAirways is cutting seats out of Portland. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  cheerful 
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:28 am

PWM gets them, interesting. Id love to see one or two in CRW. Not just for the needed seats, but for the first class.

FlyPWM, Where are you flying one to? Also, do you guys get alot of seasonal service?
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:35 am

We do not offer first on the E170 for US. Only the E70's on DL and UA have the F cabin.



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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:05 am

wonderful things?!? republic?!?!

tell that to the USAirways airport workers.. they'll look at you like yer smokin crack!

They're still short 200 FAs... i wonder how many planes are parked cause they don't have crews to fly them??
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:12 am

Oh, I don't know why I thought they did. Thats a shame, First class seats definately make more money than coach.

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 6):
We do not offer first on the E170 for US. Only the E70's on DL and UA have the F cabin.
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 8):
First class seats definately make more money than coach

I don't think any airline in the US should have a domesticate First Class except for the following routes:

SoFL to Northwest (WA, OR); Northeast (MA, RI, MA, VT, NH) to Southwest (CA, Mex); East coast-hawaii; Midwest/East Coast/Southwest-Alaska..

Otherwise it is completely a waste. No one is going to pay true F fares, but yet they are going to expect Singapore-esque service...

They should just really call them what they are.. Business Class.. and be honest.. serve the free coffee, drinks, liquor, and mini-meal..

If airlines are going to call it F, then damnit.. it should be F.. with a hot 3 course meal (including dessert).. movie monitor at each chair.. soft, cuddly blanket.. internet access... champagne.. real size pillows.. 1x2 (Ejets) or 2x2 (narrowbody)or 2x2x2 (widebody)... disposable slippers for the flight.. and warm towels for cleaning, wiping, relaxing, etc...

Only when the above is achieved should they call it first class..

But that's just my opinion..
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:40 am

I noticed today a republic routing with the E170 for DL, MCO-FLL. I believe it originated in the northeast. I want to say DCA but not sure.

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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:11 am

They've replaced 1 daily PHL-DTW CRJ with a 170. Much nicer airplane than a CRJ, but I wasn't impressed by the crew on any of the 4 flights I've taken so far.
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:14 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Thread starter):
Are they using them in many small markets?

Mainline USAirways addes the new cities, not Republic
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Mainline USAirways addes the new cities, not Republic

Are you saying small markets are exempt from all mainline possibilities?
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 13):
Are you saying small markets are exempt from all mainline possibilities?

No, I'm saying USAirways picks the cities.... not Republic. Also, talking 'small markets'... Just how small...?? Keep in mind, the airport is limited in size of the aircraft it can take by the availability of Crash-Rescue. I don't remember were the seating capicity cut off is, but at some point you need to have 24HR, on-site Crash-Rescue. Also, airports have restrictions on the gross weight of aircraft and slot limits. In order for Mid Atlantic to fly the E170 into DCA they had to re-configure the aircraft to meet the requirements.

[Edited 2006-06-30 04:33:22]
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:11 pm

The E70 is operated as US as an originator from DCA.


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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:29 pm

EMBQA,

the E170 was a mainline plane at USAirways, and the airports needed to be at USAir mainline op specs.

Part 139 status for an airport does not have any requirements as to the # of seats on an aircraft, AFAIK.
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:29 pm

I hope the E70 will be at JAX while I'm at JU as I would like to hear from ATC "caution wake turbulence, follow the Embraer ahead 6 miles."
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Thread starter):
Im asking because ive heard so many great things about them from passengers.

You and I must be talking to different passengers then.  Silly

Quoting GGpillow (Reply 7):
They're still short 200 FAs... i wonder how many planes are parked cause they don't have crews to fly them??

From what I understand, 3 planes (out of 28) not even pretending to fly. And that's not even considering the god-awful utilization on the rest of them.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 14):
In order for Mid Atlantic to fly the E170 into DCA they had to re-configure the aircraft to meet the requirements.

Er, no they didn't. Just the opposite--they got the rules for the commuter slots at DCA changed so that the EMB-170 would qualify.
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:20 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 18):
Er, no they didn't.

Ah, yes they did. The first ten or so aircraft were built as one model, but later reconfigured to a second model to meet the requirments to land at DCA. It really only ended up being a change to the AFM, but the data plates needed to be changed as did the model designation...

[Edited 2006-06-30 12:23:37]
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting FlyPWM (Reply 4):
FlyPWM, Where are you flying one to? Also, do you guys get alot of seasonal service?

Departing PWM I'm connecting at DCA to PHX then return to PWM via PHL. I'm not sure on the seasonal service. Carriers tend to add more seats during the summer tourist season and less during the winter months.
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting FlyPWM (Reply 20):
Departing PWM I'm connecting at DCA to PHX then return to PWM via PHL. I'm not sure on the seasonal service. Carriers tend to add more seats during the summer tourist season and less during the winter months.

Woah. You get the 170 to DCA. Impressive.

Whats the air traffic like during off peak season?
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:40 am

Here is a question that I had on my mind. Why is Republic the only operator of the 170 in the US? Its a very popular jet with flyers and airplane geeks alike, its very efficient, and has good performance. Yet no one else besides republic (I know technically shuttle america, but its the same parent company) operates the type in the US. Not American Eagle, SkyWest, Air Wisconsin, ExpressJet, Pinnacle, or even Mesa operates the type. You would think this would give a huge advantage to republic on RFPs later on. Also, United touts their Explus service, yet sometimes its on the 170, and sometimes its on a CRJ-700. If you are travelling, which one would you rather have. The 170 just seems like more of the type of product EXPlus is supposed to be than the CRJ.
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 22):
Why is Republic the only operator of the 170 in the US?

Republic is not the only operator of the E170 in the US. Shuttle America also flies the E170 for United and Delta. Yes, Shuttle America falls under the Republic Air Group, but is concidered a full seperate airline. Although an E190... jetBlue flies them as well.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 18):
Er, no they didn't.

..and while at work today I did a little research. The first 7 of Mid Atlantic E170's were built as EMB-170LR's but later converted to EMB-170SU's. This was only an AFM change, but was done to meet the requirements to fly them into DCA.

[Edited 2006-06-30 21:49:47]
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:00 am

my little brother flies E-170 for republic. he told me last night they are starting DCA- bradenton, fl. under US.
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 22):
Not American Eagle, SkyWest, Air Wisconsin, ExpressJet, Pinnacle, or even Mesa operates the type.

American Eagle, ExpressJet and Pinnacle can't fly them because of their pilot contracts with their mainline carrier. There has been talk about Mesa looking at them for their 'Go' division.
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:32 pm

GO has been looking at the 195's for the HI ops. The 170 is a greater airplane than the CR7. S5 and RW are seperate operating certificates but the pay comes from the same holdings company.



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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 22):
Here is a question that I had on my mind. Why is Republic the only operator of the 170 in the US? Its a very popular jet with flyers and airplane geeks alike, its very efficient, and has good performance.

Republic had contracts with the majors who could allow a regional to fly a 70 seater. At the time NW mainline pilot contract restricted anything over 50 seats (except the 35 RJ85s that XJ flew), CO still doesn't allow it, think AA has some formula that they must follow for every 70 seater they add. Mostly scope clause issues, is the short answer.....
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 8):
First class seats definately make more money than coach

You're kidding, right? Nobody actually pays to sit in F anymore, except on a VERY few premium routes (BOS/IAD/JFK-LAX/SFO). F is full of people upgrading for free, using their frequent flyer miles.
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:00 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 28):
You're kidding, right? Nobody actually pays to sit in F anymore, except on a VERY few premium routes (BOS/IAD/JFK-LAX/SFO). F is full of people upgrading for free, using their frequent flyer miles.

That may be the true about half the time. However there are routes where first class tickets are bought every day.

What about Business class?
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 29):
That may be the true about half the time. However there are routes where first class tickets are bought every day

Many First Class tickets are purchased every day. The percentage of actual paid full fare First Class seats is probably somewhere around 20%, if that, on most flights. Having first hand experience in seeing who, in a First Class cabin, has actually paid the full fare, I can safely say that not very many people pay F fares. The F cabin is a give away used as a marketing tool and U.S. airlines do not make money on the F cabin as a whole.

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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 30):
The F cabin is a give away used as a marketing tool and U.S. airlines do not make money on the F cabin as a whole.

What about the E+ seats on the CRJ700 (and E170...?), do pax actually pay for those seats or are they mostly upgrades too?
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 30):
Many First Class tickets are purchased every day. The percentage of actual paid full fare First Class seats is probably somewhere around 20%, if that, on most flights. Having first hand experience in seeing who, in a First Class cabin, has actually paid the full fare, I can safely say that not very many people pay F fares. The F cabin is a give away used as a marketing tool and U.S. airlines do not make money on the F cabin as a whole.

But what about the business cabin?
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:41 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 32):
But what about the business cabin?

AirTran is the only airline to market and sell a "Business Class" cabin for travel within the U.S. - The one exception may be AA a couple of their transcon routes. UA used to find Business Class on transcon flights, but it's been replaced by new P.S. service, which is essentially the same thing. Transcons might be the only First/Business Class cabins that actually make money.
 
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:10 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 33):
AirTran is the only airline to market and sell a "Business Class" cabin for travel within the U.S. - The one exception may be AA a couple of their transcon routes. UA used to find Business Class on transcon flights, but it's been replaced by new P.S. service, which is essentially the same thing. Transcons might be the only First/Business Class cabins that actually make money.

I'd say trans-cons and select high-premium (e.g. LGA/JFK-MIA, etc.) will have paid F fares. I know that many of the peak hour flights from BOS/LGA to ATL on Delta are paid first class (connecting on to other cities)...nonetheless, I agree that as a whole, F class domestically is just a perk to elite Frequent Flyers and does not generate much, if any supplemental revenue.

International travel (in both Business and First) is a whole 'nother story - much more difficult to upgrade to these cabins (either cost a lot more miles and/or requires full or near full fare coach class purchases).

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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:10 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 28):
F is full of people upgrading for free, using their frequent flyer miles.

No, not at all, really.

The number of F seats used for mileage-burned upgrades is tiny compared to the number of F seats distributed to elite members of frequent flyer programs. On UA, all of those upgrades are paid for, and on AA all but Executive Platinum members pay for them.

However, Continental is notorious for being absolutely impossible to get upgraded on because *gasp* they sell a lot of F seats. United, also very tough even for 1Ks on many routes.

It is true that on carriers like US, NW and DL, that most domestic F-cabin seats are simply given away to the elite frequent flyers - but they're not given away as mileage rewards, rather as perks for being loyal to that particular carrier.

Also, UA still has Business Class service on all three-class equipped aircraft, including the p.s. aircraft.
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RE: Any New Republic EMB-170 Routes?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:10 pm

My question is why does HSV get a daily 170 from DCA with US? I am an agt in TYS and every day I cringe when I see this flight leave with 17 inbound and 12 outbound! I know that NASA is big there, but that flight is never full!

Some thoughts on US Airways first class:
Any ticket type can upgrade day of departure if "E" class is available. If the flight is 0-500 miles it is 50 bucks, 501-1000 is 100, and 1001+ is 150. Every time an agent sells and upgrade, he or she gets 5 dollars incentive pay. You can do the same thing with Envoy class transatlantic... But it is 500 dollars.
All premier frequent fliers get complementary upgrades. If anyone of these people buys a B/y (unrestricted ticket) the class of service is automatically changed to "P" class (which is 1st class with the 150% mileage bonus). Any premier who has a restricted ticket can upgrade to E (only straight mileage credit) any where from a week to two days prior depending on tier level. The airline only allots a few E and P seats to hope to sell F tickets. 1 Hour prior to departure all F seats go to the Upgrade classes for waitlisted premiers.

Confusing? Nah.
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