PlaneGuy27
Topic Author
Posts: 289
Joined: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:38 am

Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:22 am

Good news again for Boeing! Another new 787 Customer....

Press Release Source: Boeing Co.

Boeing, Aeromexico, ILFC Announce Deal for 787 Dreamliners
Thursday June 29, 1:00 pm ET
- Aeromexico to become first Latin American airline to operate 787s
- Airline will lease three new 787-8s from ILFC


SEATTLE, June 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA - News) International Lease Finance Corp. (ILFC) and Aeromexico, Mexico's largest airline, today announced the carrier will operate three 787 Dreamliner airplanes, making it the first Latin American airline to incorporate the mostly composite airplane into its fleet.
Aeromexico will lease the three 787-8s from ILFC with deliveries scheduled to begin in early 2010. ILFC has 20 787 Dreamliners on order.

The announcement follows Aeromexico orders earlier this year for six Next-Generation 737s and the recent deliveries of two 777-200ERs. The twin-aisle 787s and 777s are part of Aeromexico's continued fleet renewal plan and will be used on routes to Europe and Asia and will replace Boeing 767s that are coming off of leases. The 777s, also leased from ILFC, and 787s will provide long-range, point-to-point capability and flexibility to respond to changing capacity demands.

"With similar speeds, mission capabilities and cockpit commonality, the combination of the 787 with the 777 will provide Aeromexico with optimum fleet flexibility on long-range missions," said John Wojick, vice president Sales, Latin America and the Caribbean - Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

"By ordering three 787s, the airline has given fresh impetus to its fleet modernization program, which aims to improve the airline's operational efficiency and consolidate its leadership in Mexico and Latin America, in both the quality of its aircraft and the service it provides its customers," said Andres Conesa, Aeromexico Chief Executive Officer.

"The 787 will provide Aeromexico with breakthrough passenger comfort and operating efficiencies on their long-range routes," said Steven F. Udvar-Hazy, chairman and chief executive officer of ILFC. ILFC ordered 20 Dreamliners in November and has ordered 698 Boeing jets since 1977.

To date, Boeing has received a total of 403 orders and commitments for the 787. Aeromexico joins a growing team of 787 customers who have recognized the 787's exceptional value and superior operating performance.

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is being designed with airlines, passengers, investors and the environment in mind. The technologically advanced airplane will use 20 percent less fuel than today's airplanes of comparable size, provide customers with significantly more cargo revenue capacity, and present passengers with innovations including a new interior environment with higher humidity, wider seats and aisles, larger windows and other conveniences.

The Boeing 777 family of airplanes is the world's most advanced, and continues to evolve with the recent addition of the world's longest-range airliner, the 777-200LR Worldliner, and the Boeing 777 Freighter. To date, 43 airlines have placed orders for 736 777s, making it the most preferred wide-body airplane in its class.

Additional 787 Dreamliner Information

The 787 is a family of airplanes in the 200- to 300-seat class that will carry passengers on routes between 3,500 and 8,500 nautical miles (6,500 to 16,000 kilometers). The 787 will allow airlines to offer passengers more of what they want: affordable, comfortable, nonstop, point-to-point travel to more destinations around the world. In addition to bringing big-jet ranges to mid-size airplanes, the 787 will fly at Mach 0.85, as fast as today's fastest commercial airplanes, while using much less fuel. Also, for the first time in commercial jet history, the 787 family will offer a standard engine interface for the two types of engines to be offered on the airplane, the General Electric GENX (GE Next Generation) or Rolls-Royce's Trent 1000, allowing the 787 to be fitted with either manufacturer's engines at any point in time. Production of the Dreamliner will begin in 2006. First flight is expected in 2007, with certification, delivery and entry into service in 2008.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source: Boeing Co.
 
ghost77
Posts: 4461
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2000 2:07 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:32 am

Now it's confirmed!!! Told you!!! Good news for AM!!!


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Ricardo Morales Centeno - APM



ghooost77 APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
 
KLM685
Posts: 1506
Joined: Sat May 21, 2005 12:41 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:34 am

Excellent NEWS!!!!!! I'm glad AM made this nice and refreshing move! Aeromexico wants to be leader in Latinamerica! Great Job!

Congratulations AM!!
KLM- The Best Airline in the World!
 
User avatar
mx330
Posts: 793
Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:21 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:39 am

YES!!!!

Fantastic.

Another great news by AM

Juan APM
All Canon! EOS 5D mk III, 8mm, 17-40, 24-105, 70-200 f2.8, 100-400L
 
mtyfreak
Posts: 335
Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:03 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:39 am

GREAT NEWS!!!!

Congrats to AM for being the first Latin American airline that will have such an amazing aircraft!

keep up the good work!
Only here for the beer...
 
kappel
Posts: 1836
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:48 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:51 am

Any word on the engines? I'm very curious on how they will look. Aren't they the first customer who uses a polished livery to order the 787?
L1011,733,734,73G,738,743,744,752,763,772,77W,DC855,DC863,DC930,DC950,MD11,MD88,306,319,320,321,343,346,ARJ85,CR7,E195
 
NYC777
Posts: 5066
Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:00 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Any word on the engines? I'm very curious on how they will look. Aren't they the first customer who uses a polished livery to order the 787?

It'll be pretty interesting how they deal with the polished metal look but I suspect that it'll be painted. I think they are the first operator of the 787 who uses the polished metal look. I think they'll use GE engines since their 777 are also GEs.
That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
 
DIA
Posts: 3053
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2001 2:24 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:57 am

Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
 
leelaw
Posts: 4520
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 4:13 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
I think they are the first operator of the 787 who uses the polished metal look.

Kinda hard to polish-up black plastic:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060629c_pr.html
Lex Ancilla Justitiae
 
kappel
Posts: 1836
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:48 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 8):

Thanks for the link, but that looks terrible. Time for a new livery? As much as I like the current livery, the grey does not look good. Kinda looks like the old United livery actually...
L1011,733,734,73G,738,743,744,752,763,772,77W,DC855,DC863,DC930,DC950,MD11,MD88,306,319,320,321,343,346,ARJ85,CR7,E195
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:35 am

Nice job, Aeromexico........and I am certain that there will be additional follow-up orders from AM for both the 777 and 787 as AM increases international flying. The 787/777 is becoming a very popular combination for longhaul services.
 
Fyano773
Posts: 536
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:03 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:38 am

Awesome!



Good move. AM has now locked on time delivery slots

[Edited 2006-06-29 21:01:16]
 
NYC777
Posts: 5066
Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:00 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:40 am

I was hoping that they would purchase them outright but considering that slots are sold out until 2012, it was a good move on AMs part. God, ILFC must be making a killing on lease rates for early delivery 787s!!!!
That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
 
User avatar
Stitch
Posts: 23088
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:26 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
I'm very curious on how they will look. Aren't they the first customer who uses a polished livery to order the 787?



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
It'll be pretty interesting how they deal with the polished metal look but I suspect that it'll be painted.



Quoting Leelaw (Reply 8):
Kinda hard to polish-up black plastic:

McLaren F1 paints their CFRP Formula One race cars to look chromed (saw them at Montreal last week and will see em tomorrow at Indy), so I imagine airlines like AM and AA will probably be able to find something similar to keep their "metal" look.
 
PRAirbus
Posts: 687
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:59 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:29 am

Great for Aeromexico...too bad they will only fly just a few wide-body's.
 
quig
Posts: 94
Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:57 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:57 am

What other airlines does ILFC have commitments from? Or any other lease holder for that matter. And what is the chance ILFC ordering more 787’s?
 
SFOMEX
Posts: 1602
Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:55 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Thread starter):
The 787 is a family of airplanes in the 200- to 300-seat class

I might be wrong, but if the 777 and the 787 are in the same seat class (200 - 300), what are the differences between both of them other than the 787 is a smaller mostly composite plane?

Thanks in advance!
The only thing worst than the GOP is the Democratic Party, think about it!
 
User avatar
Tugger
Posts: 6020
Joined: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:38 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:43 am

So with the fact that Mexico City has an altitude of 7,240 feet above sea level and the 787's much touted ability to allow 6,000' pressurization...... What will they pressurize the 787 too!?!
Inquiring minds want to know!  Wink

Tug
I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
 
TradewindL1011
Posts: 174
Joined: Wed Dec 10, 2003 2:41 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:35 am

In regards to painting aircraft that cannot naturally display a polished metal finish. Everyone knows that the material Airbus uses for its skins (someone help as to what exactly it is) cannot be displayed as polished metal. As a result AA originally had to paint their A300s like this:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mark Bess


Much in the same way as Eastern did with their A300s in the 80s.

Yet somehow in the 90s AA found a way to get their A300s to look as they do today, nicely polished even if it is paint.

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Jason Whitebird
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Kyle Donagher


They even left some areas such as the tail and nose grey to match the rest of the fleet.

So I am sure that AM will not have a problem getting their 78s to look nicely polished as well.
 
grantcv
Posts: 410
Joined: Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:28 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting Tugger (Reply 17):
So with the fact that Mexico City has an altitude of 7,240 feet above sea level and the 787's much touted ability to allow 6,000' pressurization...... What will they pressurize the 787 too!?!
Inquiring minds want to know!

I guess your ears will pop on takeoff instead of landing.
 
User avatar
Tugger
Posts: 6020
Joined: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:38 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting TradewindL1011 (Reply 18):

Actually it is aluminum, the early one ones were either not ordered as, or did not have "matched" aluminum panels which is required if you are going to polish them up. (I read it in another thread a few months ago and somebody has pics and more info on it.)

Tug
I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
 
User avatar
Stitch
Posts: 23088
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:26 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting TradewindL1011 (Reply 18):
Everyone knows that the material Airbus uses for its skins (someone help as to what exactly it is) cannot be displayed as polished metal.

As Tugger notes above, Airbus uses aluminum for the A300's skin, which is why AA's A300s now sport the "polished metal" look for the most part. However, some of the pieces of the A300 were composites and as such had to be painted. Personally, I think AA's A300s look kind ratty now, as the grey painted pieces look kinda like "bondo" on an old car. Therefore, I prefer it when AA painted the whole plane grey.

But hopefully AA and the others will ask McLaren where they got their "metallic" paint and use it to keep the "polished metal" look.
 
User avatar
VirginFlyer
Posts: 3953
Joined: Sun Sep 10, 2000 12:27 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 16):
I might be wrong, but if the 777 and the 787 are in the same seat class (200 - 300)

The 777 is in the 300+ seat class - Boeing quotes 301 passengers for the 777-200ER in a three class layout. The 787 is a smaller aircraft than the 777. If Boeing goes ahead with developing the second stretch (the 787-10), then that will be in the same piece of market as the 777-200/-200ER.

V/F
"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
 
thering
Posts: 527
Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:44 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Aren't they the first customer who uses a polished livery to order the 787?

Maybe they should start thinking on a livery change!
146 319 320 321 332 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 742 743 744 762 763 772 773 CRJ ER4 100 F50 F27 M11 D10
 
boeingfever777
Posts: 1990
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:35 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:43 am

I thought JL used polished metal or is that only JL Cargo?

Either way CONGRATS to AM and Boeing. Yet another carrier that has chosen that 777/787 combo to advance their fleet and growth for long-haul operations.  Smile

Also noticed the CX 744F's posted on Boeings site today. Big grin
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
 
Fly2HMO
Posts: 7207
Joined: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:14 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
so I imagine airlines like AM and AA will probably be able to find something similar to keep their "metal" look.

It'll probably be something similar to what SU uses. Also AM has (or had) a 73G that was painted in a similar metallic grey as SU. It didn't look too bad.
 
cun757
Posts: 199
Joined: Wed May 26, 2004 12:27 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:53 am

It supose to come more 777 to AM... any one knows about that...?
757 forever
 
juventus
Posts: 2017
Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:12 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 23):
Maybe they should start thinking on a livery change

NOOOOOO. Never, leave it the way it is...
 
Alitalia744
Posts: 3777
Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2000 8:22 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 27):

NOOOOOO. Never, leave it the way it is...

Looks like they're going to. Hopefully Boeing finds a way to keep the great metallic look of the birds...

from Boeing:

Some see lines, others see between the lines.
 
EddieDude
Posts: 6215
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:19 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:50 pm

This is great news, read about this earlier but did not have the chance to log on and post a comment. I just hope that AM's sale is completed soon at a good price and that the new owners (be it Aviacsa or someone else) find a way to turn into a profitable carrier (as of now, it is again in red).

A third 777-200ER is coming in November 2007. I think it is quite possible that AM might add one or maybe two more triple sevens betwen 2007 and the date of arrival of the 787s.

And speaking of AM, does anyone know if NGO will actually happen... ever?
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
SpinalTap
Posts: 388
Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:18 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 25):
It'll probably be something similar to what SU uses. Also AM has (or had) a 73G that was painted in a similar metallic grey as SU. It didn't look too bad.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Terry Wade



Jetstar also has the metallic paint look:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © OlivierG

"I get what they call a stipend, a stipend is like money but its such as small amount they don't really call it money"
 
User avatar
deltadawg
Posts: 868
Joined: Sat May 13, 2006 2:56 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:37 pm

Great News for AM and Boeing!!! Will love to see the paint scheme when it is done. I know the automotive industry uses an aftermarket "Chrome" paint on cars, even fiberglass ones such as the old Fieros and even Vettes.

Could this "Chrome" type paint be used on the composite body of the 787's? Anyone with insight please share.

AM, please do not change the scheme. It is one of the best looking schemes in the sky today. I would love to see the 787's in ATL when they are ready but I am sure that will remain 737's and Mad-dogs. Have to wait till I go to MEX in '10 I guess.
GO Dawgs, Sic' em, woof woof woof
 
User avatar
Tugger
Posts: 6020
Joined: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:38 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:14 pm

I am wondering how much chrome paint weighs. I can only guess but I would think it is pretty heavy for paint. Especially if it has some type of metal (chromium?) in it.
But as I said I really don't know, I am hoping that one of our resident paint experts can help.

Tug
I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
 
Luis777
Posts: 81
Joined: Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:16 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:29 am

Aeromexico is going to change its paint scheme, that's true, the first airplanes with the new livery are the 737-800s, now they are going to be mostly white with blue and red lines coming from the rear to the front and becoming thinner. The eagle knight still. Actually I don't think this is the best option but the decision its done.

Regards

LG
 
ElPelon
Posts: 114
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2003 3:59 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:21 am

Regarding the new AM 787, have you mexican guys have seen the tv promos from AM announcing that the 787 is coming for AM.. It was weird thet they are announcing this on TV with so much time in advance...
ElPelon
 
ghost77
Posts: 4461
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2000 2:07 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Luis777 (Reply 33):

Finally confirmed! And more white and blue... as if we need it!

ghooost77 APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
 
ghost77
Posts: 4461
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2000 2:07 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 29):
A third 777-200ER is coming in November 2007. I think it is quite possible that AM might add one or maybe two more triple sevens betwen 2007 and the date of arrival of the 787s.

In respect to fleet changes, AM intends to increase it's B737 fleet to 60 frames by 2009 and phase out all MaDog's... It is said a 3rd new B777-200ER from ILFC is due for delivery by November of 2007 and VRA and VRB are being offered in some kind of way... ignore if ILFC has taken already full possession of these frames and last but not least they have 02 more options left with ILFC for more B787s.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 29):
And speaking of AM, does anyone know if NGO will actually happen... ever?

New start-up date is November of 2006. Who knows if they'll make it. With the current limited widebody fleet this is kind to an impossible. AM needs to increase its widebody seats offer and continue to reduce its capacity in the domestic market. And with a livery change on their way... more unnecesary money spent!!!

ghooost77 APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
 
fly727
Posts: 1752
Joined: Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:27 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 36):
more unnecesary money spent!!!

I'd say it is the other way around. More necessary money spent. Just being literal here, bro Big grin

Seriously now, either AM's new owners (though it hasn't been sold yet)  Wink are already leading the airline or AM's holding is going Extreme Makeover Airline Edition. I'd love to see their numbers and prove myself wrong they are written in red ink.

Cool to have the 787 in Mexico though.

RM  Smile
There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
 
LatinPlane
Posts: 2471
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 1999 11:05 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 35):

Finally confirmed! And more white and blue... as if we need it!

Wow, I'm so used to AM's silver polished frames since I was a kid that its going to be really weird to see AM going white. Silver is a tradition for AM since the early 70s!

 Smile LatinPlane
Pan Am - The World's Most Experienced Airline.
 
tsaord
Posts: 1267
Joined: Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:46 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:04 am

Wow I thought the 24 hour Airline, Mexicana, was the leader in Mexico. Learn something new on this board everyday! But Aero Mexico has a bad Livery!! Looks grrrrrrrreat!
there are icons, then there are legends, then there is rick flair
 
ghost77
Posts: 4461
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2000 2:07 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:20 am

Quoting Fly727 (Reply 37):

LOL!

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 38):

Well pretty much, things will look like this:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Andrew Abshier
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Andrew Abshier



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Chris Coduto
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Toni Marimon



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Johan Ljungdahl
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Ricardo Morales Centeno - APM



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Ricardo Morales Centeno - APM
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Bob Garrard



Quoting Tsaord (Reply 39):

In terms of pax flown MX is #1 above all mexican carriers. In terms of fleet, employee's, ASK's, sure AM is.

ghooost77 APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
 
juventus
Posts: 2017
Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:12 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:53 am

The day I see the AM livery go away, will be a sad day for me. Best one ever.
 
ghost77
Posts: 4461
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2000 2:07 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:10 am

**Update**

More details on this deal disclosed... AM has got to an agreement with the Pilots union! The 3rd B777-200ER is confirmed, most probably due for delivery on Nov 07. 03 B787-800s are due for delivery in 2010 and 02 more via ILFC are due for 2011. As well in the next months AM will increase it's fleet of B737s near to 60 frames.

ghooost77 APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
 
EddieDude
Posts: 6215
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:19 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:55 am

I read today in the press that the mission for the three initial 788's will be to do the South American flights. If MEX-LIM continues to be operated with a narrowbody (most likely), then AM will be capable of operating daily flights to GRU and SCL with 788's. I really believe AM needs to add an extension to GIG, EZE or MVD (in that order of importance) to its MEX-GRU flights because that way the plane would not remain parked around 11 hours.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 42):
02 more via ILFC are due for 2011

This is great news! Thanks for the update Ghost. I hope that once AM has replaced its 762ER fleet, and has 3 772ER's and 5 788's, it will consider opening BCN or MXP. Speaking of MXP, was it you, Ghost, who mentioned that AZ may consider soon flying to MEX? I recall you mentioned LX a month or two ago, but I read in a.net a few weeks ago a post that hinted that AZ could start service to Mexico at some point in the not so distant future.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 36):
New start-up date is November of 2006.

Jeez, this NGO project is really an endless saga. The more AM postpones it, the more it seems it is never going to happen. I also believe that AM should not do it if it cannot get more widebodies... perhaps if AM can really get its hands on the ex-RG 772ER's with GE engines we will see NGO officially announced.

Quoting Luis777 (Reply 33):
Aeromexico is going to change its paint scheme, that's true, the first airplanes with the new livery are the 737-800s, now they are going to be mostly white with blue and red lines coming from the rear to the front and becoming thinner.

Sad! Let's just hope that there is a substantial amount of blue and red in the livery arranged in a creative manner, because otherwise it will be boring. Speaking of 738's... when do they arrive? They should not take long, right? I know JFK will get one daily 738... which other destinations will see them? I bet MTY, TIJ, MIA and perhaps LAX.

Two last comments/questions guys:

1. What is going to happen if AM cannot get the 2 RG 772ER's that ILFC is allegedly offering? Will AM order 2 new ones or will it try to lease other second hand 772ER's? With only 3 772ER's, AM is not going to be able to expand in Europe, especially if the 762ER's are going to be retired fast.

2. What is the status of the 752 replacement process? If I am not mistaken, AM was also deciding what to do with theirs. Will AM order more 738's as replacements? Any chance AM could consider the 739ER or the 783? I understand MX has elected to replace their 752's with A320's.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
juventus
Posts: 2017
Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:12 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:02 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 42):
As well in the next months AM will increase it's fleet of B737s near to 60 frames.

Finally, aggressive expansion from Aeromexico. Indeed, very good news
 
anthsaun
Posts: 510
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:32 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:28 pm

Congrats for AM. The business is for the ones looking forward.


Over a decade ago AM used to fly to FRA and FCO, perhaps these aircrafts will give AM the oppotunity to go back there.
Over 80 years in business say a lot about success
 
XA744
Posts: 630
Joined: Sat Mar 13, 2004 11:40 am

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 43):
1. What is going to happen if AM cannot get the 2 RG 772ER's that ILFC is allegedly offering? Will AM order 2 new ones or will it try to lease other second hand 772ER's? With only 3 772ER's, AM is not going to be able to expand in Europe, especially if the 762ER's are going to be retired fast.

To me this whole long haul " fleet expansion " seems quite insufficient. You see, in terms of RPKS and fleet size, Aeromexico has shrunk dramatically compared to those good years when the company was operating a combination of DC10s and 767s in the early 1990s.

Now, I can only see that Aeromexico´s business plan is weak, lukewarm and far from being aggressive. Undoubtedly, the competition will be for sure taking advantage of this and we will see more and more expansion coming from European, Asian and South American carriers in terms of additional frequencies to Mexican destinations, while our two trunk carriers just let things happen and do nothing about it.

Truly realistic, feasible and strong five year and ten years business plans should be unveiled before placing very small orders here and there for large aircraft. Three 777s and five 787s, will not be able to sustain a competitive and effective long haul structure by Aeromexico in the years to come, especially when we look at forecasts in regards to traffic growth in our region.

Best regards

[Edited 2006-07-08 22:20:31]
No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
 
anthsaun
Posts: 510
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:32 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:07 pm

XA744

You are right, but 3 B787's are better than none at all. Even one is good.

I hope AM and MX see the present as clear as we see it now and cut ahead of the big European carriers. Just check this out: CUN is a money maker destination receiving more AA's aircrafts than MX's.
Over 80 years in business say a lot about success
 
ghost77
Posts: 4461
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2000 2:07 pm

RE: Aeromexico 787s Coming In 2010

Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:24 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 43):
I read today in the press that the mission for the three initial 788's will be to do the South American flights.

Sounds smart as these B788s will probably have a seat config near to 200-230 which will sure increase it's offer and will make AM save some money if true 787 is a "fuel saver" in a 30%.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 43):
I hope that once AM has replaced its 762ER fleet, and has 3 772ER's and 5 788's, it will consider opening BCN or MXP. Speaking of MXP, was it you, Ghost, who mentioned that AZ may consider soon flying to MEX? I recall you mentioned LX a month or two ago, but I read in a.net a few weeks ago a post that hinted that AZ could start service to Mexico at some point in the not so distant future.

They should certainly even consider searching for an extra(s) B762s or B763s and they should explore and try BCN as well as MXP or FCO SHOULD be a must for the airline with B772ER's. As for AZ, nope it wasn't me... probably you read it recently in a thread that talked about AZ seeking for 5 widebodies either 767s or 777s to incrase it's long haul service... perhaps they will beat AM on this one... as for LX yes that was me but I haven't heard anything lately... LX has too a widebody fleet shortage... but I really hope T2's bring us AT LEAST one more carrier.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 43):
Jeez, this NGO project is really an endless saga. The more AM postpones it, the more it seems it is never going to happen. I also believe that AM should not do it if it cannot get more widebodies... perhaps if AM can really get its hands on the ex-RG 772ER's with GE engines we will see NGO officially announced.

Yeap and endless saga, but caused by a widebody fleet shortage. I see no other reason than that for delaying it. If AM had kept all it's B767s and introduce the B777s to reinforce it's long haul network certainly our current discussion would be focused on many other matters... but first issues to be solved currently are no other than those fleet shortage problems. If they're for some reason delaying it till November 06 I'm comfident that PROBABLY by then they're considering something in respect to it's widebody fleet... as long as AM does NOT increase it's widebody fleet I feel like nothing is going to happen with its Japan's venture.

I'm really hopping AM get possesion of those two frames which could make them life more easier!!! With 4 B772ERs and still 4 B767s AM could start doing wonderful things. Such as starting Japan and increasing GRU/SCL and MAD and CDG in case they don't decide to open BCN or MXP/FCO.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 43):
Speaking of 738's... when do they arrive? They should not take long, right?

By September 06 the first one should be in revenue service. The last months of 06 will be very interesting as AM will be taking delivery from 08 to 10 new B737s!!!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 43):
1. What is going to happen if AM cannot get the 2 RG 772ER's that ILFC is allegedly offering? Will AM order 2 new ones or will it try to lease other second hand 772ER's? With only 3 772ER's, AM is not going to be able to expand in Europe, especially if the 762ER's are going to be retired fast.

I think RG's B777s is a once in a life time opportunity for AM. If they let them go.. CO/AC and probably a 3rd carrier would be VERY interested in taking possesion. There's no other possible near source for AM to lease more B772ER's and powered with GE9094's!! It's like a near to impossible thing. The expected and 3rd B777-200ER won't make life easier to the airline as most probably that frame will replace XA-APB and that will make 3 more 767s to go which I suppose will be retired as soon as 787s start to arrive.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 43):
2. What is the status of the 752 replacement process? If I am not mistaken, AM was also deciding what to do with theirs. Will AM order more 738's as replacements? Any chance AM could consider the 739ER or the 783? I understand MX has elected to replace their 752's with A320's.

So far 3 more left and they will end up 2006 with only 2 frames. By summer 07 the 757 will be gone from the fleet. MX is in the same line... 4 more to go and 2 will be left by Dec 06 and replacing them too by summer of 07. AM currently holds 07 B738ERs orders I think they will stick with those and instead order more B73G's.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 46):
To me this whole long haul " fleet expansion " seems quite insufficient. You see, in terms of RPKS and fleet size, Aeromexico has shrunk dramatically compared to those good years when the company was operating a combination of DC10s and 767s in the early 1990s.

Such a shame this is what we all see... simply insufficient and we are not being dramatic.. just realistic. RPKS/ASKS have shrunk dramatically over those good days of glory... for both... AM and MX.... by 1994, AM-MX-GD-LATUR-AEROCANCÚN had in total 18 widebodies.

I think we here all agree that the ideal thing would be to bring the 02 ex. RG's, take delivery of the 3rd new which would make a perfect total of 05 B777-200ERs and keep the 04 B767s and up to December of 08 that would be making a total of 09 frames, later on retire the 04 B767s and then take the 05 B787s. If AM really wants to open Japan they are forced to make those movements. I can also think at this moment of AM taking the non-ER B777s powered with GE's which are PP-VRC and VRD but those are the worse out from the 08 RG had but AM could put them in shape and could use them for it's South American routes.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 46):
Three 777s and five 787s, will not be able to sustain a competitive and effective long haul structure by Aeromexico in the years to come, especially when we look at forecasts in regards to traffic growth in our region.

I also agree on this! It is said and forecasted there will be good growth numbers on the upcoming years. Even new LCC start-up's are starting to have an effect on bus services in Mexico. Avolar has even projected to get to 50 aircraft in 4 years instead of 40... they're also ending the year with 12 frames instead of 10 as forecasted. AM should go back to the board and do their numbers... even us know pretty well that a little increase in offer by bringing at least 02 B777s wouldn't affect, in contrary, that would make life lot easier for all the planning and development route department! Most probably Conesa ordered to start Japan with the existing widebody fleet! LOL!

ghooost77 APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: 747classic, 767333ER, airnorth, AMIKI, Baidu [Spider], ben175, carljanderson, flyguy89, flyingbird, flyingclrs727, jmmadrid, reality, ro1960, SCQ83, TravelsUK, United1 and 285 guests