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International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:56 am

I know every one will tell me that i am 10-96 and dreaming but IF and I said IF IND was to get a international airline, which airline do you think would take the chance and try IND? IF they did start a non-stop to Europe how many times a week would they mostly likely fly that route??

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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:00 am

Air Canada already flies to Indianapolis. If IND where to get another one, it would probably be from Mexico, not Europe.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:02 am

Besides Air Canada ?? I figured that was a given
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting Fedexexpress (Thread starter):
I know every one will tell me that i am 10-96 and dreaming but IF and I said IF IND was to get a international airline, which airline do you think would take the chance and try IND? IF they did start a non-stop to Europe how many times a week would they mostly likely fly that route??

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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:03 am

IND is too close to ORD, DTW, and CVG to get the level of international service that you describe.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:04 am

as does NW to Cancun
 
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:05 am

I did not realize that Frontier was a International Airline!! Boy I learn something new every day!!!!!
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):
IND is too close to ORD, DTW, and CVG to get the level of international service that you describe.

Sorry I have to agree and with the price of fuel right now, I really do not see any carrier willing to take the chance.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:07 am

Hopefully some day BA or Air France just MIGHT take the chance with IND when a right size airplane comes available and they start to take on those 2nd tier airports!
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:12 am

If NW grows at IND then it is possible that a NW or KLM flight to Amsterdam could come. I think that would be the biggest possibility. It would open up much more of Europe without requiring double connections. However at the moment, I doubt anything will come. I can't see AF or BA coming. Their US partners of DL and AA barely send mainline jets to IND, so that shows the level of commitment to IND. The O/D just isn't that high and there aren't any connecting opportunities that aren't available elsewhere.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):
IND is too close to ORD, DTW, and CVG to get the level of international service that you describe.

And PIT is too close to PHL and EWR/JFK, O&D giants on the East Coast... as well as CVG. Yet CLE has one flight on CO to LGW, but that's because CO still has a small hub up in CLE and enough local demand to support that hub... Okay, enough about PIT on this thread, just another thing in common between PIT and IND...

If IND is to get an international carrier to come in from Europe, that would be a bit of a miracle; PIT isn't getting any kind of service anytime soon from US or any international carrier... BA pulled out in 1999 and they're not coming back, and LH isn't coming. They're the only likely carriers from Europe that would have any chance of serving PIT and to think they're not coming at all. Well, PHL and New York are O&D gold mines. What can I say...

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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:45 am

The proximity to other hub cities really isn't a valid excuse. If the demand exists the flights will come. Connecting people when its not necessary is an absolute waste of fuel, equipment and labor.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:09 am

As said before the most likely chance of service would be on NW or KLM to AMS.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't IND NW's largest US city after the three hubs?

If not NW/KLM you could possibly see limited service on BA or LH to London or Fankfurt in the distant future even though it is highly unlikely.
 
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting COERJ (Reply 12):
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't IND NW's largest US city after the three hubs?

I do believe it is. It's a focus city for NW if I'm not mistaken... Just like PIT is US' largest US city behind the hubs of CLT, PHL, and PHX...
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 13):
I do believe it is. It's a focus city for NW if I'm not mistaken

That is correct. It is a NW focus city and their 4th largest domestic operation. They also have a CUN flight and a number of connection opportunities here.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 14):
They also have a CUN flight and a number of connection opportunities here.

Depending on cities where you book from, as Indy said, a lot of connecting flights can be booked at www.nwa.com. Thus, a few more cities and more connection opportunities its almost become a mini-hub.
 
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:20 am

I can see scheduled charter service once or twice a week to Europe during peak season but I do not see a "legacy"-type international airline serving IND for a very long time. There simply isn't the market for it. There are too many other US destinations (SAN, STL, etc) who will international service long before IND.

Now of course unless global warming raises Lake Michigan and it consumes Chicago and IND finds itself, somehow, someway, the new major metro area of the Midwest, then maybe we will see some scheduled, year-round, transoceanic service. But until then, probably not.
 
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:09 am

Chicago has nothing to do with IND. In fact their cattle call operation is one of IND's biggest assets. People getting to avoid a zoo like that is a big selling point. I just love though how people are so SURE that it won't happen. Just like people a couple of years ago would be so sure that NW would never start a focus city so close to DTW or that NW would NEVER apply for service to CUN from a non hub city. People are so sure of themselves but in reality 99.9% of the people on here have absolutely no decision making when it comes to airline routes. If people think "well STL doesn't have it" then they are just copping out. The money is with O/D. To connect pax for the sake of making a hub look better is a case of putting ego before profit.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 17):
I just love though how people are so SURE that it won't happen.

Hell, I was sure that B6 would NEVER start up PIT service... Need I continue with this statement?
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:23 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 17):
Hell, I was sure that B6 would NEVER start up PIT service... Need I continue with this statement?

Apples and Oranges. We're talking about a big investment in a market that at this point has shown no ability to support an international flight, whereas we have a rapidly expanding airline just looking for markets to put their planes. JetBlue entering PIT was probably a matter of time as the market is slowly putting itself back together.

Quoting Indy (Reply 17):
Just like people a couple of years ago would be so sure that NW would never start a focus city so close to DTW or that NW would NEVER apply for service to CUN from a non hub city

What does a focus city have to do with hub proximity? They are concentrating on a middle sized o/d market that had a huge hole in it when TZ was weak. Connections made on NW at IND in the grand scheme of things are tiny, enough to where NW could overlook proximity.

Quoting Indy (Reply 17):
If people think "well STL doesn't have it" then they are just copping out. The money is with O/D

St. Louis nor Indianapolis have a realistic shot at landing an international flight in the near future. I'd give St. Louis a 10% chance and Indianapolis a 2% chance, which basically means something drastic needs to happen. In a nutshell, we'll have to be happy with what we have.
 
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:34 pm

We shall see. 2008 is only a couple years away.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:47 pm

AA provides 6 AE and 2 mainline ORD-IND-ORD flights a day....flight connections are more than enough to travel to Europe via ORD.....

with CVG and CLE close also, many travelers have enough choices right now....

That being said, the IND-area is quite wealthy...I would think when a 737-sized or E190-sized plane is built which can transport about 100-130 pax overseas with reasonable fares, we might see a 3x/weekly flight...nothing before that however..
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:03 pm

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 19):
JetBlue entering PIT was probably a matter of time as the market is slowly putting itself back together.

So PIT is getting back together while IND is not. That's pretty much what you are trying to say? Would you also say that PIT might have enough of a market reestablished to support international travel BEFORE IND for that matter? I think that IND might be a little more solid than PIT. FL seems to be building up a bit of an operation there. In PIT, nothing has happened considerably since the demise of the US hub, with the exception of WN and now B6. WN hasn't added service in more than 6 months, and B6 is brand new to PIT. I guess we'll see how strong the PIT market is regarding B6 service there...
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:36 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
That being said, the IND-area is quite wealthy...I would think when a 737-sized or E190-sized plane is built which can transport about 100-130 pax overseas with reasonable fares, we might see a 3x/weekly flight...nothing before that however..

Perhaps you'd think differently if you had any idea how many people in Indianapolis, the metro area and the state travel to Europe on a daily basis. I've done the research and gotten the numbers from the department of commerce. Why on gods green earth would anyone want to fly through ORD? It is a miserable experience for international arrivals.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 23):
Perhaps you'd think differently if you had any idea how many people in Indianapolis, the metro area and the state travel to Europe on a daily basis. I've done the research and gotten the numbers from the department of commerce. Why on gods green earth would anyone want to fly through ORD? It is a miserable experience for international arrivals.

Frequency, frequency, frequency...especially with AA, UA, BA, AF, KL, LH, BD, PK, LO, TK, EI, SK, AI, LX, KE, JL, etc. all flying to Europe and Asia via ORD....

I've also listed CVG and CLE..both of which have DL/CO serving....

If (big if) your numbers are correct, why aren't there any air carriers flying out of IND-Europe/Asia yet? Certainly the air carriers have studied the vialbility of IND-Europe....
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
If (big if) your numbers are correct, why aren't there any air carriers flying out of IND-Europe/Asia yet? Certainly the air carriers have studied the vialbility of IND-Europe....

Why is VERY easy... our international arrivals building right now is a joke. I've seen small town airports with better facilities. But that changes in 2 years. Actually I've heard our mayor complain about the lack of service and I want to bang my head on the desk. Get uncheap and add a freggin jetway to your international arrivals building which btw isn't even part of the terminal. Its across the airfield. Our weather here can be unfriendly 6 months of the year. Would you want to have to deal with stairs outside in the middle of winter with snow & ice? Thats the wonderful arrangement we have now. I still can't believe our mayor is shocked with that kind of setup. I used to live in Melbourne (MLB). Even they with almost no commercial traffic at all have proper international arrivals.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:06 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 23):
Perhaps you'd think differently if you had any idea how many people in Indianapolis, the metro area and the state travel to Europe on a daily basis. I've done the research and gotten the numbers from the department of commerce. Why on gods green earth would anyone want to fly through ORD? It is a miserable experience for international arrivals.

Proximity! Yes, I'm sure there are tons of people in the state of Indiana to support the flight, but Indianapolis is closer for those in southern Indiana than those in the northern portions of the state. ORD is close and offers a variety of flights that get them from point A to point B with no connections. Even if IND got the flight (which I'm not saying it won't get), I wouldn't expect it to be packed daily simply because it would probably just be a flight to AMS rather than multiple flights to all over Europe, and unless IND becomes a full-time hub for NW, there wouldn't be enough routing through IND to make up for any empty seats.
 
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:23 pm

I think most people here would be happy with AMS service. It would be good for our expanding business center because it eliminates that extra conection and saves hours on a return trip. Even if IND was a hub for an airline I wouldn't expect service to every destination. Just the one is all that matters. European connections are much easier on an international arrival than U.S. connections. Plus the return trip is an hour longer. After a 9 hour return flight you don't want the huge hike through an airport like ORD plus the zoo that is their international arrivals, a 2 hour layover or more and then the return flight to IND. This way you come home, clear customs, and drive home.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:43 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 25):
Why is VERY easy... our international arrivals building right now is a joke. I've seen small town airports with better facilities. But that changes in 2 years. Actually I've heard our mayor complain about the lack of service and I want to bang my head on the desk. Get uncheap and add a freggin jetway to your international arrivals building which btw isn't even part of the terminal. Its across the airfield. Our weather here can be unfriendly 6 months of the year. Would you want to have to deal with stairs outside in the middle of winter with snow & ice? Thats the wonderful arrangement we have now. I still can't believe our mayor is shocked with that kind of setup. I used to live in Melbourne (MLB). Even they with almost no commercial traffic at all have proper international arrivals.

I've heard about the poor international arrivals building..but I haven't seen (nor have you shown any info) regarding the O&D picture...

At the end of the day, does IND-area have enough of a critcal mass to warrant transatlantic flights?
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:51 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
That being said, the IND-area is quite wealthy...I would think when a 737-sized or E190-sized plane is built which can transport about 100-130 pax overseas with reasonable fares, we might see a 3x/weekly flight...nothing before that however..

A trans-Atlantic flight to IND would never work less than 6x weekly (maybe 5x weekly, but that is stretching it) because without a near daily flight they wouldn't build up the business customer base that is needed.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:57 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 27):
I think most people here would be happy with AMS service.

The problem with AMS is that it is typically a Low yield route (e.g., the Backpacker crowd) from most cities in the U.S. and is very seasonal. Even though there might be sufficent seasonal numbers of IND passengers to AMS what would entice the Dutch to fly into IND as a destination or connecting point? A better bet is to shoot for LGW. A major stumbling block with IND - Europe, however, could be that NW (or anyone else) would not be able to use a small aircraft (e.g. 757) for the route. They'd have to justify a 330.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:12 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
I've heard about the poor international arrivals building..but I haven't seen (nor have you shown any info) regarding the O&D picture...

At the end of the day, does IND-area have enough of a critcal mass to warrant transatlantic flights?

Here is the info. The numbers relate to people from Indianapolis, people from Indiana and people traveling here from Europe. This does not include people who travel across the border.

The average passengers traveling each way between Indianapolis and Europe was 148,000 (82,000 Indianapolis Residents and 66,000 Europeans). The numbers for the state was 218,000 and for Europe 122,000 for a total of 240,000 each way passengers per year between Indiana and Europe.

The city total was 405 per day. The state total was 931 per day. Statewide some will go to other states. However if the service became available you'd see people from neighboring states coming here as well. It is also for the existence of service to drive up demand.

The numbers come from the Department of Commerce.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:02 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 29):
A trans-Atlantic flight to IND would never work less than 6x weekly (maybe 5x weekly, but that is stretching it) because without a near daily flight they wouldn't build up the business customer base that is needed.

I was trying to be a bit "conservative" with my numbers....maybe 5x-6x/weekly would be needed...

Quoting Indy (Reply 31):
The average passengers traveling each way between Indianapolis and Europe was 148,000 (82,000 Indianapolis Residents and 66,000 Europeans). The numbers for the state was 218,000 and for Europe 122,000 for a total of 240,000 each way passengers per year between Indiana and Europe.

...quite interesting.. scratchchin 

Quoting Indy (Reply 31):
The city total was 405 per day. The state total was 931 per day. Statewide some will go to other states. However if the service became available you'd see people from neighboring states coming here as well. It is also for the existence of service to drive up demand.

405/daily...I wonder how those numbers are broken down in terms of destination..i.e.-what is the largest European destination.....also..since you have given the daily average, how are the pax transit broken down per month and/or season....are they skewed or are they consistent..

405 daily/pax might still be pushing it for a carrier.....especially if the destinations are broken down enough...that being said, a carrier such as LH or BA might be able to offer a decent connection to other locations...

Bottom line, as I previously stated, if a carrier can get a hold of a 100-135 seater with good economics, I think the route would be a sell....

also, with CVG and ORD possibly closer or provide more flexibility, I'm not sold that pax would choose to come to IND...

by the way..thanks for the information.... Smile
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:20 pm

Remember 405 daily is just the city of Indianapolis. 931 is for the state but then you have to look at the location of the population to determine which facility is the closest drive. Then you have to look at the people in the CVG area who are stuck with using DL that may want an alternative that would drive to IND or those in Louisville who can take the drive up I-65. There wouldn't be an issue selling out a 757-200. Question would be range. Also that limits you on cargo. You might be better getting a larger jet and getting better cargo deals. Indianapolis is a huge distribution point and it is growing very fast. Cargo is a big industry here. And that isn't limited to Fedex. A 767 would likely be the best fit when it comes to passenger seating and cargo space. 757-200 wouldn't allow for enough cargo and an A333 would be overkill. Not sure if an A332 would be much better.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting Vega (Reply 30):
A better bet is to shoot for LGW. A major stumbling block with IND - Europe, however, could be that NW (or anyone else) would not be able to use a small aircraft (e.g. 757) for the route. They'd have to justify a 330.

I believe a 752ER can pull off LGW-IND if equipped with winglets, but it is stretching it. Though, that's besides the point: IND is not an authorized London-USA gateway, and cannot be served from Gatwick nor Heathrow. Of course, an airline can argue to change that, but it is a long process.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:08 pm

Are there currently any direct (i.e. same plane) IND-???-Europe flights? I'm guessing no, but if so, that may be a good indicator of what nonstop flight(s) may come someday.
I agree that the current terminal situation is unacceptable for arrivals with any airline that wants to have a high-class image with its passengers.
And, I hope that the recent adoption of Daylight Savings Time here in IND will help, since a hypothetical flight from, say, CDG-IND wouldn't have to change its schedule twice a year.
 
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:26 am

I will try and get a picture of the international arrivals building today just so people not from the area can get an idea how bad of a setup I am talking about.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 34):
I believe a 752ER can pull off LGW-IND if equipped with winglets, but it is stretching it.
Though, that's besides the point: IND is not an authorized London-USA gateway

If you want to take that flight - be my guest.

I would assume that any international service to Europe from IND would be approved way later than "Open Skies", which will eliminate that restriction.

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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 31):
The average passengers traveling each way between Indianapolis and Europe was 148,000 (82,000 Indianapolis Residents and 66,000 Europeans). The numbers for the state was 218,000 and for Europe 122,000 for a total of 240,000 each way passengers per year between Indiana and Europe.

Those numbers do seem fairly large. I took 122,000 and divided that by 365 to see the expected number of people going to and from Europe per day, and came up with a figure of 335. I think that means that 335 people went to and from Europe, so that would mean that 165 people departed to Europe and another 165 came from Europe???

I guess that would mean that a couple times weekly on a 762 would work, but would that be feasible?? I guess that's the same reason why LH said that PIT-FRA was not feasible...
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:37 pm

That is 122,000 Europeans in addition to 218,000 Hoosiers. Thats 244,000 to Europe from Indiana each year.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:12 pm

Nothing Untill the New Terminal opens the "International Shack" at Indianapolis is not accepatale to any international airline...
 
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 39):
That is 122,000 Europeans in addition to 218,000 Hoosiers. Thats 244,000 to Europe from Indiana each year.

Right, you essentially cleared that up I believe in your IM on here  Smile
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting Cospn (Reply 40):
Nothing Untill the New Terminal opens the "International Shack" at Indianapolis is not accepatale to any international airline...

Crap. I took a hundred pics today and forgot to get a pic of the shack. BTW that is a pretty good name for it.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:51 am

China Airlines comes to IND!!!!!!!!!!! HaHaHaHa
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:00 am

Yes Indy would love to see some Pictures...of "the Shack"...btw not the only one LIR Liberia, Costa Rica has one...no Aircon, so they have a the Worlds biggest Ceiling fan, Looks like a Old Helicopter blade spinning around over head..But its still HOT....
 
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:34 am

What some people seem to be missing here is if there is ONE flight from IND to Europe ...where is it going? Is it LHR? CDG? AMS? It isn't where all those 400 Hoosiers are going.
Regardless, why is it 'better' to have a flight from IND - AMS, and THEN get a connection to London (or wherever), when I can get one of many flights/day to ORD and get a direct flight to my destination in Europe...probably at more frequency.

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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting COSPN (Reply 44):
Yes Indy would love to see some Pictures...of "the Shack"

I'm sorry. I completely blew it again the other day. I will do my best to make a special trip out to the airport and go directly over to international arrivals to take pics. I got all hung up for just under 3 hours waiting for a 753 to leave so I could get decent pics.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 45):
What some people seem to be missing here is if there is ONE flight from IND to Europe ...where is it going? Is it LHR? CDG? AMS? It isn't where all those 400 Hoosiers are going.

Right. But what some people seem to be missing is that international arrivals in Europe is a breeze. You aren't treated like a criminal like you are here in the US. I'd rather deal with the likes of AMS, FRA, CGN, etc before that hell hole that is ORD international arrivals. I'd rather come home, go throught customs at IND, and drive home and be there in 15 minutes. Who wants to go through a cattle call, walk a mile, wait an hour or two for a connection, then catch a flight, reclaim your luggage for a 2nd time and then go home.
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RE: International Airline @ IND?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:38 am

I would take the return flight from AMS to IND non-stop and miss the cattle call in DTW or ORD any day, and when i step off that flight I am home! My car is waiting on me!! Not on wait you have to wait another 2 hours for your connecting flight to IND from ORD!

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