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Frontier LAX-SFO Any Updates?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:22 am

I read that the FRontier service from LAX-SFO is starting soon.
Does anyone know how it looks so far or any projections on its load factor?

With some other airlines offering that and OAK-LGB, will this work for Frontier?
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:32 am

Dunno - Today, I did see from Hwy. 101 a Frontier "baby" at SFO starting to roll out and wondered where it was going.
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:38 am

Started today, according to this trip report (which has to be one of the faster-posted TR's for a new route ever).
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:38 pm

Started today! F9 had food and beverage at gate 38 set-up. They seemed busy when I was over in that area around 800pm, though they had a DEN flight at 845p. Let you know what I hear locally, but I'll be on it ALOT!

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Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:43 pm

Loads were light on the first flight out this morning from SFO, but picked up a bit later in the day. Speaking at the press conference today were Andrew Hudson from Corp Comm, and Chris Collins, SVP of Operations. The loads are characteristic of a maturing route, and are good through the holiday week.

At gates 31 and 33, thwere were the walking seats, a string band, and food setup for our customers...nice turnout from F9 employees.  Smile
 
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RE: Frontier LAX-SFO Any Updates?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:43 pm

Quoting Nopeotone (Thread starter):
With some other airlines offering that and OAK-LGB, will this work for Frontier?

Um, a lot more L.A.-Bay routes are offered than LAX-SFO and OAK-LGB. That aside, I did see a billboard on Manchester Blvd. for their $59 OW fare on the route.
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RE: Frontier LAX-SFO Any Updates?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:08 am

Does anyone have any updates so far this week on how this route is performing?
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Um, a lot more L.A.-Bay routes are offered than LAX-SFO and OAK-LGB. That aside, I did see a billboard on Manchester Blvd. for their $59 OW fare on the route.

A lot of routes from the Bay Area to the LA area are offered since both metro areas have a fair number of airports. The benefit of flying SFO-LAX for Frontier is that Southwest does not serve SFO. F9 is only competing with United and American for the most part. WN dominates flights between the areas with hourly flights between OAK/SJC and LAX and tons of flights to other airports like BUR, ONT, and SNA. jetBlue flies OAK-LGB which has no WN competition.

I hope this can work for F9, but I can't imagine that the yields will be that high, but load factors should be high.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:36 am

This week load factors around 20%. Most flights have 20-40 passengers, but some have fewer than 10.
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Azstar (Reply 8):
This week load factors around 20%. Most flights have 20-40 passengers, but some have fewer than 10.

Wow! I hope things pick up for Frontier or else this will probably be another shuddered route for LAX. There is a lot of competition on the short haul routes on the west coast especially when you got southwest running multiple daily round trips.
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting Azstar (Reply 8):
This week load factors around 20%. Most flights have 20-40 passengers, but some have fewer than 10.

Ouch. With such a saturated market, it might be harder than they expected to even alert people who fly it regularly to the new option. People get set in their ways about who they fly when they do it often.

I hope people wise up. i plan to fly this route, but I might not have time before they cancel it!
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:59 am

This is just one week and this is a route catered to businesses. Its probably a bad week for business travelers...
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:12 am

I'm sure Frontier will hang on for a while, but its certainly a challenging market to be in.

UA has LAX-SFO pretty much locked up, with AA running a few services in between. SWA has incredible strenght connection the various Bay and SoCal airports excluding SFO.
UA, SWA and AA all have strong frequent flyer bases in the markets. All this while Frontier does not have much name recognition in either market certainly not when one thinks intra-CA flying.

A thing to also consider is that DL on two separate occasions since having taken over the Western franchise tried frequent LAX-SFO service to only withdraw.

Going against UA between its to California hubs and having SWA being the #1 intra CA player does not make things easy for Frontier.
Basically what does Frontier compete on? Fares UA has matched, frequency its not even close to UAs offering. And I doubt they get people just because of having TV on a 50min flight.
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RE: Frontier LAX-SFO Any Updates?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:14 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
it might be harder than they expected to even alert people who fly it regularly to the new option.

I think F9 didn't advertise it enough, so a lot of people weren't aware. We were on the road to Frisco Saturday, and back down to LA on the morning of July 4. I was straining to catch a glimpse of an animal taking off or on approach, but no such luck.
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RE: Frontier LAX-SFO Any Updates?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:19 am

Beyond a billboard near LAX, Frontier has done little to no advertising here in LA as far as I've seen. Have they even done newspaper ads? I haven't seen a television commercial.

They're going to have to try a little harder, because as has been mentioned, AA, WN, and especially UA have fairly entrenched frequent flier base here in SoCal (and NoCal as well). Given that there are many business travelers on LAX-SFO, they are also going to have to distinguish themselves on something besides price, because quite frankly business travelers are the LEAST price sensitive travelers out there.

I think there is opportunity, but it won't just "come to them". They're going to have to beat the drums about their new service.
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:41 am

I still dont understand why Frontier has thrown itself into this market - what do they possibily have to gain? So much competition, so many flights, so many airports.....Los Angeles-San Francisco is one of the most complex routes in the nation due to the number of airports serving each area and the frequency of departures.

Frontier is a very good airline with clever management.......what are they thinking with LAX-SFO? There must be better opportunities elsewhere.
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
Have they even done newspaper ads?

They've had some adds in the LA Times. About 2 weeks prior to the start up even had a one page add promoting the $59 fare.
Still however agree not much exposure getting the name out.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 16):
Still however agree not much exposure getting the name out.

Does anyone else recall how WN first advertised their LAX-OAK service? They ran a couple of radio ads touting a free one-way ticket anywhere they fly with the purchase of any one-way on the new route, even on discounted tickets. An agent simply handed out the fully-transferable certificate as you boarded.

When I heard it, I was on the freeway. I literally pulled off to the first exit, called my travel agent, and had her make multiple bookings every day that I could do two round-trips per day. At the beginning of the promotion, people were hiring day laborers to fly en masse with them, and near the end of the promotion, people were camping out at both LAX and OAK to get a standby seat. It was major news in the newspapers and on TV.

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RE: Frontier LAX-SFO Any Updates?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 13):
Basically what does Frontier compete on? Fares UA has matched

What were the UA/AS/AA fares before Frontier entered the market?
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:25 am

It's only been a few days, obviously, and a holiday, so it's not the end of the world, but still, those loads are low.

They sent discount information to FF members about the route, but since there likely that many F9 FF members in LAX or SFO, this is more preaching to the choir, as they say.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting Lax44 (Reply 18):
Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 13):
Basically what does Frontier compete on? Fares UA has matched

You took Laxintl's words and quoted me.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:53 am

Fares LAX-SFO have been in the low/mid $200 range recently especially with fare increase which have stuck.

Frontiers introductory fare in the market has been $59 each way. This is to expire at the end of July. Will be interesting to see if it gets extended.

United in the mean time has added a few $59/$69/$79 fare buckets matching Frontier.

With UA offering 15+ daily flights plus AA's 7 combined with both having strong frequent flyer followings will be interesting to see how Frontier makes out.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
Frontier is a very good airline with clever management.......what are they thinking with LAX-SFO? There must be better opportunities elsewhere.

If they ever intend to have a presence on the West Coast, then this is a fairly important route. Don't you think?

Assuming LAX-SJD is (finally) approved - despite Delta's tantrum - that will change the equation slightly, as would any other route from either SFO or LAX that they add.

And I note that Frontier is appearing as the connector for a number of airlines who have service from LAX or SFO - but not both.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 21):
will be interesting to see how Frontier makes out.

Yes, indeed. And I would think it will take a while. But with load factor records falling every month - 85% plus in June, their highest ever - they can possibly afford to nurse SFO-LAX for a while.

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:29 pm

I thought F9 had learned their lesson in LAX?
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 23):
I thought F9 had learned their lesson in LAX?

Apparently not; but, give them credit for trying. They have to try to get away from the DEN-centric operation if they want to really grow the airline. Only so much capacity can be added at one airport. This is why LCC's like FL and to a lesser extent B6 have been (historically) successful...lots of "focus cities" in addition to a central main hub.

F9 has been a low frequency carrier to most of the outstations, which makes it more difficult from a marketing standpoint to get their name out there.

They HAVE to promote the hell out of LAX-SFO if they want to see it succeed.
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 7):
I hope this can work for F9, but I can't imagine that the yields will be that high, but load factors should be high.

Actually, LAX-SFO is a rather higher yielding route.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Ouch. With such a saturated market, it might be harder than they expected to even alert people who fly it regularly to the new option. People get set in their ways about who they fly when they do it often.

The market really isn't saturated. It is much like Hawai'i in that it isn't really difficult to fill an airplane and LAX-SFO specifically has had a discount vaccum since WN decided to shutter SFO.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
I still dont understand why Frontier has thrown itself into this market

I am guessing this is their way of drumming up some business not involving DEN and also a way to better utilize their fleet.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 23):
I thought F9 had learned their lesson in LAX?

There really isn't a lesson to learn. F9's problem initially was their choice of routes to fly out of an LAX focus city. They pissed off Northwest to no end with the MSP route and then chose places like MCI and STL where they really didn't need to be going.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 23):
I thought F9 had learned their lesson in LAX?

It depends what you think the lesson is, and what should have been learned.

To my mind, the mistake was not the establishment of the LAX focus city.

The mistake was in dismantling it completely.

I hope they are able to fix that.

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
The market really isn't saturated. It is much like Hawai'i in that it isn't really difficult to fill an airplane and LAX-SFO specifically has had a discount vaccum since WN decided to shutter SFO.

What I meant is that with so many airlines flying between the two markets (all the various airports), people who fly it often know which airline they like best and are fixed on it. That means that for F9 to penetrate those minds, they need to really alert flyers to this new route more than they are.

Living here, I've seen little to nothing to tell me that F9 now flies to SFO!

I plan to fly them because I like F9 and I don't like regional jets if there is a real alternative. Being a CO elite, I can't fly them to SFO, so why not F9, where I have a few miles built up?
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:40 pm

My opinion is that F9 is going after the circle trips. I other words, business travelers that need to do business in both cities and want to keep everything on one ticket instead of an open jaw from DEN where the LAX-SFO portion needs to be a o/w ticket on another airline. Makes sense to keep some of that revenue and maybe drum up some new business along the way that will also expose the airline to it's longer transcontinental routes.

I hope they will do the same in the SAN-SFO market.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:49 pm

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 28):
I hope they will do the same in the SAN-SFO market.

Agreed.

Or - SFO-SAN-CUN perhaps?  Smile

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:51 pm

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 28):
usiness travelers that need to do business in both cities

And how many could that be a day?? 10-20??
I really dont see many people wanting DEN-SFO-LAX-DEN, to even come close to make a difference for 5 daily RT.

What F9 needs if they want to succeed is to get their name out. Radio, TV, billboards, newspapers, local magazines, trade show, sponsor local events etc..

While costly, I just dont see them reaching the point of being able to fill planes at a reasonable fare (north of the introductory $59 rates) going against 100+ daily corridor flights between SoCal and the Bay Area where name recognition and frequent flyer loyalty to UA, AA and Southwest are so big.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:52 pm

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 28):
I hope they will do the same in the SAN-SFO market.

I think it unlikely. So many of the businesses are between LAX and SAN that people fly into LAX and then drive to them. I can't imagine there is enough of a demand for people flying to do business in SFO, then needing to go to a company that is much closer to SAN than LAX, then back again. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:04 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 27):
Living here, I've seen little to nothing to tell me that F9 now flies to SFO!

Yeah, that is indeed their biggest problem. Other than the La Cienega billboard, you would have to be an A.netter to know F9 opened the route.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Other than the La Cienega billboard, you would have to be an A.netter to know F9 opened the route.

This is what everyone said last time. So - how did the 80% load factors LAX-STL happen?

Were they all a.netters?

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:17 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 30):
And how many could that be a day?? 10-20??

I've dealt with clients out of DEN and making the circle trip was quite common. Right now most passengers that make the circle trip will fly UA because all three segments can simply be done on one ticket. Maybe it is only 10-20 pax a day for F9 but these pax are now on the DEN legs as well instead of UA, right?
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:39 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 33):
This is what everyone said last time. So - how did the 80% load factors LAX-STL happen?

Were they all a.netters?

There is a lot less choice for LAX-STL than for LAX-Bay.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 35):
There is a lot less choice for LAX-STL than for LAX-Bay.

I am not sure what difference that makes.

Most people here - a.net - claimed lack of advertising was the problem with Frontier's focus city last time.

In fact, after a slow start many of the load factors became good - people knew of the service.

But this was the time when yields were rock bottom and oil was going through the roof.

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:36 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 36):
Most people here - a.net - claimed lack of advertising was the problem with Frontier's focus city last time.

In fact, after a slow start many of the load factors became good - people knew of the service.

Then they shouldn't have pulled them.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 36):
But this was the time when yields were rock bottom and oil was going through the roof.

For a carrier like Frontier, building revenues and traffic should be at the forefront of their planning, not yields as much. This is especially true when you consider that they have excellent cost control. Further, Frontier's use of a less flexible pricing structure (similar to that of jetBlue) means it is harder to garner higher yielding tickets. Further, their reliance on contracted ground ends up costing more in the long run and killed routes like Boston.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:42 pm

UA has so many passengers shuttling between LAX-SFO-LAX, connecting to Asian and European flights its hard to know how F9 are going to make a go of this!
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:47 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
Then they shouldn't have pulled them.

The load factors were good, the yields were not. However, I do agree. As I said:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 26):
To my mind, the mistake was not the establishment of the LAX focus city.

The mistake was in dismantling it completely.

But I am bemused by:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
For a carrier like Frontier, building revenues and traffic should be at the forefront of their planning, not yields as much.

I think that is what they do.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
their reliance on contracted ground ends up costing more in the long run and killed routes like Boston.

(a) they have several stations where they have their own ground staff - both over and under wing - and (b) that is not what killed Boston.

But I am really confused by these management concepts for Frontier. I thought your point was that they need to advertise more in Los Angeles.

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:18 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 39):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
For a carrier like Frontier, building revenues and traffic should be at the forefront of their planning, not yields as much.

I think that is what they do.

If it is, they should never have axed anything at LAX other than LAX-MSP

Quoting Mariner (Reply 39):
But I am really confused by these management concepts for Frontier. I thought your point was that they need to advertise more in Los Angeles.

They do, but I was looking more at the overall situation and agreeing on your analysis that they shouldn't have axed the focus

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 38):
UA has so many passengers shuttling between LAX-SFO-LAX, connecting to Asian and European flights its hard to know how F9 are going to make a go of this!

Connecting traffic is a mere fraction of what United gets on the route. The vast majority of travellers are O&D
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:28 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 33):
So - how did the 80% load factors LAX-STL happen?

I'd say that route hit 80% just by random people browsing through Orbitz and
Expedia (etc.) to try to find the lowest fare option between the two cities since it was only AA doing the route nonstop. From what I remember most days that route saw about 80-85 passengers on average.

LAX-SFO is different due to the sheer frequency of the competition.
 
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 33):
This is what everyone said last time. So - how did the 80% load factors LAX-STL happen?

Actually, last time F9 DID advertise on TV in the LA market. I remember the "talking tails" commercials (where the various animals on the F9 tails said stuff to each other).

In that case, the advertising WAS a lot more than what we are seeing now.
 
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 41):
I'd say that route hit 80% just by random people browsing through Orbitz and
Expedia (etc.)

Actually, LAX-STL hit 84% at one point, and those travellers must have been browsing for LAX-MCI as well because that also had good load factors.

And of course, Southwest flies both those routes.

LAX-PHL did okay, too, but with oil on the ascendant, it simply used too much fuel.

I note that JetBlue - for example - is not adding many transcons in part because of the price of fuel.

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Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 43):
, LAX-STL hit 84% at one point, and those travellers must have been browsing for LAX-MCI as well because that also had good load factors.

And F9 dropped the route with an 84% load factor? For that to happen, the yeilds must have been impossible - was F9 giving the seats away? I know that filled airplanes does not guaranty profits, but something is very wrong if F9 could not make money on a route operated by a rather effecient A319 and 84% of its seats filled. What are we missing here???

Quoting Mariner (Reply 43):
I note that JetBlue - for example - is not adding many transcons in part because of the price of fuel.

Thats what they said, but its not what they are doing. JFK-TUS, just announced, is very close to transcon in miles flown, as is JFK-AUA, another new route. So its unclear where JetBlue stands on this issue.
 
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 33):
So - how did the 80% load factors LAX-STL happen?

Ridiculously low fares.
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 44):
And F9 dropped the route with an 84% load factor? For that to happen, the yeilds must have been impossible

Two completely separate issues.

The 84% figure was reached and was used by me to show that people knew of the service.

That was a summer months figure and - fairly obviously - did not sustain through the winter months, when the route remained slightly profitable to break-even. As did LAX-MCI.

However, it was at this time that the effects of the oil price rise were starting to bite. Other routes out of DEN were losing money because of it.

So the decision was made to protect the DEN hub and retrench out of LAX.

It caused considerable angst at Frontier, and may have contributed to the departure of two very senior execs.

I disagree with that particular decision - if only because of what is happening now. Had they maintained those two routes, then LAX-SFO would have made more sense than it presently does to some - such as yourself.

I note that you defend Delta as trying to right the mistake they made in leaving LAX and the Mexican resorts. I have predicted a return to LAX since the day they left, and it looks to me that Frontier is trying to right the mistake they made in leaving LAX.

But I don't know. I don't work for Frontier, I have only occasional contact with them. This is all my perception.

So - I don't know what their plans are, but I think it is a fairly safe bet that they will fly to GDL, for example, from more US cities than just DEN. We know - because they told the DOT - that they would fly LAX-GDL if it were available. Which it isn't.

Others - mostly from MSY - disagree with Frontier's decision to protect CUN over MSY after the hurricanes. CUN makes sense to me, but it was a tough one that I wouldn't want to have to make.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 44):
Thats what they said, but its not what they are doing. JFK-TUS, just announced

I did say that JetBlue is not adding "many" transcons, and I also note Mr. Neeleman's comments about having been beguiled - or was it distracted? -by transcons.

I would also note that JFK-AUA is a resort situation, with entirely different fare structures and competition issues.

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RE: Frontier LAX-SFO Any Updates?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:15 am

Thanks for the interesting analysis, as usual. You raised several issues that I did not consider....the information about dropping LAX services to protect the Denver hub is very very interesting.....and, I agree with you, was probably the wrong decision. LAX-STL and LAX-MCI could have developed into important routes for F9......LAX-PHL and LAX-MSP are different stories due to the competitve enviornments and other factors that affect those routes.

Again, thanks.....
 
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RE: Frontier LAX-SFO Any Updates?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 46):
I did say that JetBlue is not adding "many" transcons, and I also note Mr. Neeleman's comments about having been beguiled - or was it distracted? -by transcons.

Kind of a cheap shot dont you think?
 
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RE: Frontier LAX-SFO Any Updates?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 48):
Kind of a cheap shot dont you think?

Why? It is what he said. I agree with him.

So I'm not sure how agreeing with him is "a cheap shot".

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