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Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:00 am

Why is it there is almost no nonstops from LAX to PVR ? Alaska is now
the only carrier doing this and at a premium. Aeromexico Discontinued
its lone nonstop in Feb of this Year and Aerocalifornia was the only
other carrier with 3x a week service and is all but gone. I was a regular
on AM for years 2xs a month and the flights were at least 80 percent.
 
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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:08 am

I think at least some of it is seasonal. We are entering hurricane season (low season) in the Summer. Airlines will add service back by Oct/Nov.

In addition, F9 was just awarded route authority for LAX-PVD, so look for them to begin flying the route soon!
 
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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 1):
In addition, F9 was just awarded route authority for LAX-PVD, so look for them to begin flying the route soon!

Didn't know you needed a route authority to fly Los Angeles to Providence  Silly. PVR has always been a strong destination from LAX load wise but it has always been seen as more of a discount resort, much like Mazatlan. A lot of the spring break and summer trip crowd on a budget does PVR as an alternative to the more expensive Cancun, Ixtapa and Cabo San Lucas. This, of course, hurts yields. Still, with 3 authorities now allowed on the route, I don't see why there isn't someone trying to pick up some business.
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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 1):
I think at least some of it is seasonal.

Both Alaska and US Airways (America West/Mesa) fly LAX-PVR.

Delta was recently granted (provisionally) the third authority.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 1):
F9 was just awarded route authority for LAX-PVD, so look for them to begin flying the route soon!

Whoa, Neddy. Frontier was granted (provisionally) LAX-SJD. They did not apply for LAX-PVR.

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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
Delta was recently granted (provisionally) the third authority.

Which makes no sense given their wishy washy committment at best to the LAX market.
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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Which makes no sense given their wishy washy committment at best to the LAX market.

Obviously, it made sense to the DOT.  Smile

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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
Obviously, it made sense to the DOT.

So does subsidizing wasteful, expensive and futile road projects while ignoring public transportation.  sarcastic 
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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
So does subsidizing wasteful, expensive and futile road projects while ignoring public transportation.   

That's some stratch, but okay, yes. I would suggest that the DOT is merely reflecting government policy.

And London could have done what Amsterdam did about traffic and Auckland NZ is totally screwed with virtually no public transport and the city cut in two by motorways.

So, in the great scheme of things, one small route to Mexico awarded - for the first time - to an LCC insread of a major seems rather small beer.

But - have it your way.

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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
F9 was just awarded route authority for LAX-PVD, so look for them to begin flying the route soon!

Whoa, Neddy. Frontier was granted (provisionally) LAX-SJD. They did not apply for LAX-PVR.

See, that's what happens when you try to use your memory rather than looking things up. I stand corrected. DL gets LAX-PVR.

Jeez, thank goodness it's Friday before a long weekend.... I apparently need a break!  Wink
 
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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):
So, in the great scheme of things, one small route to Mexico awarded - for the first time - to an LCC insread of a major seems rather small beer.

Actually, I was more in favor of a United application than a Frontier one, but either way would have been better than Delta
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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
Both Alaska and US Airways (America West/Mesa) fly LAX-PVR.

True, but the US/HP/YV flight is Saturday-only on a CR9. Ouch.
 
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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
I was more in favor of a United application than a Frontier one, but either way would have been better than Delta

A critical point of the Frontier application is the reduction of fares. Frontier gave the commitment to bring down the basic fare by at least a third.

United said that Ted could bring lower fares, but did not quantify.

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 10):
True, but the US/HP/YV flight is Saturday-only on a CR9. Ouch.

Oh, I agree, but they have it and have had it for a couple of years.

It was this use of mainline/express to grab Mexican rights that led to the changes to the bilateral.

The DOT has said that it would be okay for an airline wanting to use mainline aircraft to challenge the "express" authorities, that they would consider it.

But gee, I don't know who would do that.

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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:13 am

PVR has somewhat gone the way of Acapulco being an older resort destination. PVRs big boom was in the late 70s into the 80s and has since seen significant decline in demand.
While many folks swear by Vallarta, for West Coast folks with easy access to Mexico many other cities featuring as newer and "hotter" properties have taken the PVR shine away.
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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
PVR has somewhat gone the way of Acapulco being an older resort destination. PVRs big boom was in the late 70s into the 80s and has since seen significant decline in demand.
While many folks swear by Vallarta, for West Coast folks with easy access to Mexico many other cities featuring as newer and "hotter" properties have taken the PVR shine away.

Interesting point......it is true that some resorts are like fashion items, popular for a few years and then they are no longer in style.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):

Which makes no sense given their wishy washy committment at best to the LAX market.

I agree, but I think that DL is trying to re-establish itself at LAX - DL made a huge mistake when it dropped the LAX-Mexico services that they inherited from WA. Never mind routes like LAX-PVR or LAX-ACA......DL dropped LAX-MEX! Until recently, many US carriers including DL had little interest in the US's southern neighbor but all of that has changed and DL is now trying to catch up. All of that being said, I think that DL will have a tough time with LAX-PVR, AS is in a strong position in these markets.
 
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RE: Shrinking Vallarta Service From LAX

Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
I agree, but I think that DL is trying to re-establish itself at LAX

They're still playing funny buggers. Several of their applications for Mexico service from LAX are through the Connection carrier, there is little commitment by mainline, except in a couple of markets.

They had to change their application for LAX-SJD - originally they were suggesting very limited service, but then, criticized by the other airlines, they said they would offer the most seats, daily. I guess it didn't help.

And I not sure what to make of their curious attempts to transfer their (mainline) authority for LAX-GDL to ASE - a fairly blatant route manipulation.

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