centrair
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CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:19 pm

Continental serves Japan but only to Narita. All other CO flights are with CO Micronesia. They have the same livery but the numbers are different. So what is the real difference?

Are Micronesia crews and mainline crews the same? Can crews swap from Mainline to Micronesia or are all CO micronesia flights crewed by HNL or GUM based Micronesia Specific crews?

were those clear sentences? was my question clear?

Okay
Let's say I am an HNL based Continental Pilot flying between the mainland and HNL. I feel like a little change of pace and want to fly the routes out of GUM on CO Micronesia. Can I do it?

What are the operational differences between the two parts?
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:28 pm

Continental and Continental Micronesia are legally two desperate companies and operate under two separate operating certificates. Pilots for CO Mike operations are provided by CO proper but CO Mike has its own flight attendants.

In addition route authorities are separate, with CO Mike holding extensive Far East rights which CO do not have.

You might have also notice CO Mike flights operate under a CMI callsign while regular CO flights use COA callsigns.
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Continental and Continental Micronesia are legally two desperate companies and operate under two separate operating certificates.

While it's true that there are two separate ops certificates, CO and CMI aren't that desperate...it's late, I know.

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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:52 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Continental and Continental Micronesia are legally two desperate companies

Desperate companies?

Man if you can edit this, I'd sure do that . . .

Unless you think they are desperate.   

And here's something to answer your question . . . . and save everyone a lot of typing.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2047160

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1701843

[Edited 2006-07-02 08:57:21]
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:15 pm

CO pilots who are not based on Guam can not fly the 737-800 on CMI routes. CMI pilots are likewise blocked from flying the -800 on CO routes. This was part of the latest contract.
The FA's are cross-trained in both CMI and COA procedures and work both 767-400 and 737-800 aircraft. 737 pairings for the FA's are mostly turns, with the exception of the island hopper flights which have layovers in HNL.
Most CMI employees are local hires, the exceptions are the pilots and the FAA required positions such as Dir of MX, Dir of QC, etc..
Pay scales are different, and not all CMI positions are a direct match for similar jobs at COA hubs. CMI employees do have full access to CO travel benefits.
CO to CS is a pretty seamless operation.
 
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:58 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2047160

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...01843

Thank you.

How many pilots and FA does CS have?
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:21 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):
Thank you.

NO prob . . .

It truly is a seamless operation from the pax point of view . . . I've taken CO1/CO2 to/from GUM on a couple occasions . . . change of plane in HNL required . . . back in the day both aircraft were DC10s, but the Air Mike bird had much fewer BF seats . . . you'll see the same on the 764s today compared to their CO counterparts.

That said, I had one boarding pass for CO1 - IAH-GUM. Further, one bag claim check. Seamless from departure to arrival.
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:47 pm

I know that much of CS's routes haul Japanese tourists from their 9 Japanese destinations to the Marianas. Only NGO has a flight to HNL which is CS and not CO.

But I wonder how how many people from CS destinations are flying all the way through to mainland and vice versa?

Example: Rota-GUM-HNL-EWR

What are the loads on the GUM-HNL?

I have met people on NW71/72 flying onto GUM or SPN on NW or CO (following day) and then onto other destinations.
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:22 pm

Most Non Narita Japan Flights are Tourists Bound for Guam, with some connecting to Palau,Bali, Cairns Australia, and Saipan....MNL-GUM is both Local and Connect traffic to HNL and IAH,EWR,and LAX....only US carriers to MNL are CO and NW...sometimes there will be a connect like MNL-GUM-SDJ/FUK...but not so often as there are many other carriers...However CO and NW and Online E-Tickets..can be purchased Cash(Western Union) or Credit card..so sometimes its a good option.,that..some other carriers out of MNL dont have...also CO has MNL-ROR, and MNL-SPN a few times a week
 
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
desperate

whoops.. typo indeed.  Wow!  banghead 

sorry about that!
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:28 am

Speaking of Guam, the economy on the Island is going to be getting a huge boost thanks to increasing Government spending.

The US and Japan recently agreed to move 6,000-8,000 Marines from Okinawa to Guam, there is going to be Billions in new construction spending on the island to support the 8,000 Marines and the additional 8,000-10,000 dependents and contractors associated with the Marines.

Then there's Anderson Air Force Base which is a nonstop construction site, Anderson is being modernized to support forward deployed Expeditionary Wings of B-2, F-22, B-1 and B-52s as well as support aircraft (KC-135s, KC-10s, C-17s).

The Navy is not being left out either, they now have 4 Attack Submarines permanently based at Apra Harbor, it's being studied about bringing more subs and even some surface ships to be permanently stationed at Apra Harbor. The Navy also wants to move a Air Craft carrier to either Pearl Harbor Hawaii or Guam.

All together there's tens of Billions of new construction going on in Guam, with tens of thousands of new permanently statinoned Airman, Sailors and Marines plus their families and contractors that support their mission.

This will mean more business for CO/CS, especially on the Guam-Honolulu sector. I would not be surprised if that eventually goes double daily and it's possible CO would open a nonstop flight to the West Coast within the next 10 years.
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:09 am

I left Air Mike for another job at the end of November last year, but at that time they had about 210 pilots. About 90 Captains and 120 FO's. The numbers are different due to having a few flights such as GUM-CNS and GUM-HKG which require a 3 man cockpit crew.
I could only make an educated guess at the number of FAs right now, though I could find out. It is in the neighborhood of 400. There is a standard crew of 3 FAs on the 737. Some flights have an extra flight attendant due to the length of the duty day/number of stops. The island hopper has 5 stops and is about a 16 hour duty day. They also have a 6 leg trip GUM-YAP-ROR-MNL-ROR-YAP-GUM that is 14-15 hours long. Then you have 8 FAs on the 767, with 2 daily r/ts to NRT, and the GUM-HNL-GUM trip and the HNL-NGO trips which are multi-day pairings.
 
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:40 am

There are 49 B737 Capt's, and 71 B737 FO's based on the island.

All the B767 flying through the Pacific is IAH, or EWR based pilots.

Quoting Centrair (Thread starter):
Let's say I am an HNL based Continental Pilot flying between the mainland and HNL. I feel like a little change of pace and want to fly the routes out of GUM on CO Micronesia. Can I do it?

Well kind of; if your seniority can hold the bid lines, or you can trade for the trips then yes, you can fly the 767 all the way out. However, as I said you do this flying out of the IAH, EWR sub-base.
 
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:39 am

I'll defer to Calpilot's numbers for cockpit crew. Looks like my memory was a little off, and I have not been with the company since Nov 28, 2005.
GUM is an interesting base for the pilots. Many of them really like it there, and bid accordingly to remain on the island. On the other hand, the bottom of the FO list is very junior. The staffing distribution will probably change in the next few years, as the pilots flying international flights(which includes the entire GUM base) took a couple of big hits in the last contract. There was a pretty nice hourly premium for pilots flying international flights, which was cut more than half. The international per diem was also cut.
 
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RE: CO And CO Micronesia Ops?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting DxBrian (Reply 11):

How long is the NRT-GUM flights? So the F/A's working the NRT-GUM legs do a turn?