canoeguy
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Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:27 am

Searched but didn't see this posted yet:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/07/03/1665909-cp.html

Thomas Cook flight Montreal - Shannon turns around near Quebec City and lands in Toronto, escorted by Canadian Hercules??

Must be an interesting story - anyone know more?
 
cedarjet
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RE: Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:12 am

Montreal-Shannon on Thomas Cook Airlines is an interesting story in itself, let alone the rest of it. Anyone know more about why it went into YYZ in the end, and how a Herc could keep up?
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matt
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RE: Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:26 am

I didn't think that Thomas Cook operated YUL-SNN flights. I know that they operate YUL-LGW and YUL-MAN.
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canoeguy
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RE: Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
and how a Herc could keep up?

And what exactly was a Herc gonna do...?

Were they thinking Harrison Ford in "Air Force One"? Attach the tow line and evacuate?  Smile

Seriously, I'd love to know more about what was going on with this one...
 
jamesontheroad
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RE: Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:53 am

Previous posters correct: Thomas Cook do not operate YUL - SNN... there are two departures a week during the summer for Canadian Affair, one to LGW (Sunday) and one to MAN (Wednesday). I know that the MAN service operates MAN-YUL-YYZ-YUL-MAN. Unless it departed YUL with the intention of only making it to SNN.......?

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RE: Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:52 am

Diverted with Hydraulic problems. Normal landing.

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RE: Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:00 am

I am not a physical geography major but why would a plane divert to YYZ when flying YUL-Europe?
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dutchjet
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RE: Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 6):
I am not a physical geography major but why would a plane divert to YYZ when flying YUL-Europe?

Could be that there are better facilities at YYZ to handle an emergency landing.
 
tristar2000
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RE: Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:57 am

Better facilities in YYZ??? than YUL, YQB or YMX??? I think bigger would be the word! I can't see what would be better... they all have firefighters (duhhhh) and they don't use that white foam anymore during emergency situations.

YYZ is busy, so more complications... more delays for flights etc... and excuse me for asking, but unless you want to burn fuel... isn't landing sooner the best concept during an emergency.

Anyways, haven't read the story yet.. so I am just speculating, but YMX is the perfect airport in the area for emergencies... no traffic, away from residential areas, etc.!

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irobertson
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RE: Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:56 am

It could be multiple things, maybe maintenance reasons, maybe they could load the passengers onto another plane to Shannon sooner. This plane was probably on charter for someone else going YUL-SNN, maybe Transat? I'm only speculating, but I'm sure there are good reasons for all of these.

As for a Herc keeping up with a 757, lets use some common sense here. By the time it was nearing Trenton, it was probably well below 20,000 feet, maybe even at 10,000, and highly unlikely it was doing cruise speeds (450 knots). Hercs can manage 300 knots, probably do 275 comfortably, and if the 757 was at a lower altitude, it would probably be around this speed (my own guesses). The reason it was a Herc was probably one of coincidence; it was probably the only plane in the area that was reasonably ready to scramble, and any set of eyes in the event of a disaster is beneficial to rapid response (you know exactly where and when the crash is and how bad it looks, etc etc etc). That it was a Herc and not something else like a CF-18 is irrelavant, imho.

I'm sure more info will surface. Glad everything turned out okay.
 
canoeguy
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RE: Thomas Cook Diversion To Toronto

Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 9):
As for a Herc keeping up with a 757, lets use some common sense here. By the time it was nearing Trenton, it was probably well below 20,000 feet, maybe even at 10,000, and highly unlikely it was doing cruise speeds (450 knots). Hercs can manage 300 knots, probably do 275 comfortably, and if the 757 was at a lower altitude, it would probably be around this speed (my own guesses). The reason it was a Herc was probably one of coincidence; it was probably the only plane in the area that was reasonably ready to scramble, and any set of eyes in the event of a disaster is beneficial to rapid response (you know exactly where and when the crash is and how bad it looks, etc etc etc). That it was a Herc and not something else like a CF-18 is irrelavant, imho.

Well that puts a damper on my Harrison Ford/Air Force One theory, which personally I think is FAR more likely, but it certainly makes a lot of common sense.

Quoting Tristar2000 (Reply 8):
YYZ is busy, so more complications... more delays for flights etc...

Yep, as someone who tried desparately for 30 hours last week before succeeding in getting home to YYZ from ATL, all because of a few lousy t-storms, let me tell you YYZ did not need more complications this week.