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Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:32 am

How come out of largest operators of the 757 and 767, they are based either in North America, or in the case of the 767, Japan?

The top operators of the 757 are all based in North America:
1. American (143)
2. Delta (121)
3. Northwest (67)
4. Continental (58)

For the 767, the top operators are:
1. Delta (104)
2. All Nippon (79)
3. American (74)
4. JAL (39)
5. United (35)
6. Air Canada (33)

Once again, how come out of largest operators of the 757 and 767, they are based either in North America or Japan?
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:37 am

757 maybe because its a good trans con aircraft?
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:40 am

Don't forget UPS (5X). They operate a fleet of 75 757-200PF and 32 767-300PF aircraft, putting them bigger than CO and NW for 757 fleet size and only slightly smaller than AC and UA on 767 fleet size.

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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting RMD11 (Reply 1):
757 maybe because its a good trans con aircraft?

The 757 IMO would be good for high-yielding intra-European operations where widebodies aren't needed.

For comparison, the top operators for the 747 and 777 are more diverse:
Top 777 operators:
1. Singapore (58)
2. United (52)
3. American (46)
4. British Airways (43)
5. Emirates (37)

Top 747 operators:
1. JAL (60)
2. British Airways (57)
3. United (30)
4. All Nippon (23)
5. Northwest (19)
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:50 am

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 2):
Don't forget UPS (5X). They operate a fleet of 75 757-200PF and 32 767-300PF aircraft, putting them bigger than CO and NW for 757 fleet size and only slightly smaller than AC and UA on 767 fleet size.

Yes, but UPS is a cargo airline.
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:53 am

Boeing's biggest customer base for all aircraft historically has been in the US and in Japan. Overall, US airlines formed the bulk of the 757 program and the 767s are common aircraft so the success of the 2 went hand in hand.
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:00 am

Its also interesting to note that even though the two a/c types are huge in the US and Japan, the 757 never got an order in Japan, am I coorect, and there are no 757 active in any Japanese airlines. Not one.

However it is also worth noting that Japan has a very limited number of a/c types operated...

no A319
few 320/321
no 330
no 340
no 380

no 757

no ATR

no Embraer

very few CRJ.

Basically your restricted to Dash-8, 737, 747, 767, 777 and ordered 787.

Also the answer to why there are so many 757/767 in the US could well be because Boeing are of course from the US, and regardless of what people say, it has an effect on the choice of a/c in some US majors (i.e. AA, DL etc)
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 6):
Also the answer to why there are so many 757/767 in the US could well be because Boeing are of course from the US, and regardless of what people say, it has an effect on the choice of a/c in some US majors (i.e. AA, DL etc)

You forget that three of the biggest Airbus operators are also US carriers - those being US/HP, UA and NW.

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The 757 was widely popular with the US carriers due to its size and range; although the 757 started out being a successor to the also popular 72S, it became much more. That the 752 could accommodate about 200 pax on routes and operate effeciently on route ranging from 200 mile hops to transcon and west coast-Hawaii (and more recently transatlantic) services made the airplane a very good choice for the US airlines; European carriers did not quite need the range or capacity of the 757 for most of their routes, thus the European carriers were more focused on the 737/A32X airplanes and did not order the 757 in huge numbers, that being said, BA was at one time a very big 757 operator (and a launch customer for the type) and many European charter used and still use the 757 extensively. The 757 was not a big seller in Asia (although there are a good number in China) due to the fact that Asian customers strongly prefer widebody airplanes.

The 767 is popular with both US and Japanese carriers for entirely different reasons....the 767 was ordered in big numbers by US carriers since it was the ideal midsize jet and offered the right size and economics to launch routes from the US to Europe...as US carriers developed multiple hub route systems, the need for very large airplanes diminished and the 767 allowed the US carriers to offer multiple flights from multiple hubs to European cities. Of course, the 767 was also used on domestic service.......DL for example uses the 767 simply to move a lot of passengers over short to medium haul routes in addtion to longer range services. Japanese carriers went with 767 as a shorter haul/regional airliner.
 
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Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):

The top operators of the 757 are all based in North America:
1. American (143)
2. Delta (121)
3. Northwest (67)
4. Continental (58)

Btw, UA operates something like 97 757s. They should be on your list.

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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:32 am

AC operates something like 42 767's. I think you forgot to include the 762's.

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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 9):
AC operates something like 42 767's. I think you forgot to include the 762's.

I updated the Wikipedia article, and they operate 45. While not a U.S. carrier, the question stated North America, not just the U.S.
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:41 am

Another factor no one has bought up yet, what were / was the competing Airbus product being offered at the time. The big selling time for these a/c was before the subsidy issue was front and center, so it is entirely possible that European Airlines were "pressured" to purchase "home grown" a/c.

The B747 was in a class by itself at the time and sales certainely reflect that. Ditto the B737, as soon as a competing Airbus product came along the B737 saw its European market go flat, only picked up somewhat by LCC's.
 
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 8):

Btw, UA operates something like 97 757s. They should be on your list.

Yeah I was thinking that too!
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:59 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
Top 747 operators:
1. JAL (60)
2. British Airways (57)
3. United (30)
4. All Nippon (23)
5. Northwest (19)

Ah no. QF operates 36 B747s and so should be No3 on your list. As at 30/6/06 QF operated 6x B744ERs, 24x B744 & 6x B743 see
http://qantas.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/q...hp/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=462 One B743 is in fact, withdraw from use, but still offically operated!

What about AF & LH would not they be in the general area?

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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:10 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
1. American (143)
2. Delta (121)
3. Northwest (67)
4. Continental (58)

Glaring miss of United's 97 birds

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):

Once again, how come out of largest operators of the 757 and 767, they are based either in North America or Japan?

Big Boeing customer countries and also the aircraft fit the market

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 13):
What about AF & LH would not they be in the general area?

Yes. LH operates 30 747-400s while AF operates a mixed fleet of 20 passenger and 12 freight 747s. They also left out KLM's 25 744s.

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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:27 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
This is yet another example of why you should never depend of Wikipedia.

THANK YOU for pointing this out.....the references on this site are simply incorrect or incomplete in so many cases.
 
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:08 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
THANK YOU for pointing this out.....the references on this site are simply incorrect or incomplete in so many cases

Thanks, I will update it now. Still though, the largest 747 customers are not dominated by North American or Japanese carriers.
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:24 pm

One of the largest operators of the B744 is BA and the A320 is UA. No real reason for it, just happens to be.
 
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting Richardw (Reply 17):
One of the largest operators of the B744 is BA

British Airways is THE largest operator of the 747-400, although JAL operates more 747s overall.
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):

This is yet another example of why you should never depend of Wikipedia.

Very True. Wiki is a great site for general information and a place to start off if you're looking for certain info, but always supplement that with other, more reliable sources.
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:40 pm

There is no way that CO could only have 58!! just hang out at EWR for a few hours and its like 757 heaven that and the occasional 1 million 737's from CO that pass through there. But for the reason why most 757, 767 aircraft are located in North America and Japan, IMO North America for the most obvious reason that Boeing is located in the US there for its easier for the plane to be sent back for MX if the manufactor has found a problem with it or for its closeness to delivery locations. As for Japan, The US and Japan have been close business partners for sometime and you tend to shave a little pricing off the top to your closest partner
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting CO738 (Reply 20):
There is no way that CO could only have 58!!

41 757-200s
17 757-300s
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:55 am

well if that is the case than all 58 have to be making stops into EWR cause thats all i see next to the CO Express and 737's maybe they stole some lol
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
Yes, but UPS is a cargo airline.

But the OP didn't specify cargo or passenger!
 
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RE: Question About Largest Operators Of 757 And 767?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:25 am

US operators hence long domestic trans continental sectors, where the 757 is very handy.
In Europe, the short haul routes are shorter, so A321s are perfectly acceptable, and the rise of high speed trains and LCCs have reduced the need for 757s or WBs.

On long hauls, most European carriers use larger planes, or A310s and A332s.
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