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Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:12 pm

Thought I'd bring ya'll's attention to Ethiopian's MD-11 which is leased from World Airways. Tacky, but I guess it does the job of identifying whose flight it is operating. Will do the ADD-FCO-IAD-FCO-ADD 3x per week, while the fourth one will be operated using ET's B763.


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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:28 pm

Thanks ETStar.

At least you can tell the MD-11 is flying for ET. The 330 has the 60th sticker on the right side of the plane and that's it.....Unless you recognise the sticker you can't tell it's flying for ET...
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:49 pm

Dkny, have you noticed what appears to be a snowball effect with delays on flights operated with the 330? DXB has been wacky all week, having an effect on LOS (even when not operated by the 330) and all other flights that appear to connect with DXB (some DKR, HRE, BJM, DAR). Given the short stay on the ground for the 330 at DXB, if there is a delay, it throws off every other flight out of ADD, then back into ADD with the cycle continuing the next day.
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:31 pm

How long will ET have the 330 and MD11?
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:25 pm

The 330 for six months......Until Mid december........
The MD-11 for two months until end of August
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:59 pm

A friend of mine just came off the flight from IAD this morning on the MD-11....I was told the service was terrible and the flight was delayed 3 hours in IAD and an hour in FCO. All in all my friend did not like the exprerience on the MD-11 with only 2 regular ET flight attendants and the rest being non ET flight attendants. I was told it was a terrible flight.
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting Dkny (Reply 5):
A friend of mine just came off the flight from IAD this morning on the MD-11....I was told the service was terrible and the flight was delayed 3 hours in IAD and an hour in FCO. All in all my friend did not like the exprerience on the MD-11 with only 2 regular ET flight attendants and the rest being non ET flight attendants. I was told it was a terrible flight

It was the first flight, the ET agents had never handled that type of aircraft before, and had to learn it all on the spot.

The ET flight attendants are not certified on the MD11, and thus cannot work the flight. They direct the service on board.
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 6):
It was the first flight, the ET agents had never handled that type of aircraft before, and had to learn it all on the spot

Thats not a good excuse.. proper preparation prevents piss poor performance. If you were there it would have went on time right?

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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:20 am

Quoting FXRA (Reply 7):
Thats not a good excuse.. proper preparation prevents piss poor performance. If you were there it would have went on time right?

How's ORD, make it to the Taste?

My thoughts exactly! We'da been 20 minutes early. I'll put that 80% to shame!

Haven't made it down yet, went to the White Sox game last night, getting ready to head over to ORD in an hour or so to get the counter ready. Then I have an 0800 outta here tomorrow morning.
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting Dkny (Reply 5):
the service was terrible

Not very informative. It's like me saying that your post is terrible (which it isn't) without anything more. It's meaningless.

As to late flights, boo-hoo. Look at the earlier posts in the thread about delays through DXB -- they look substantially worse than what he's complaining about. If it's indeed the first flight, I think that you'll find that World will get the kinks out pronto; they're capable of providing an equivalent or superior level of operational reliability to just about anybody. Did your friend say what the source of the delays were? Or just that it was "delayed" and that it was the "MD11's" fault.

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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:30 am

The ET flight attendants are not certified on the MD11, and thus cannot work the flight. They direct the service on board.

They never will be either. The World Airways contract with their F/A's precludes that from happening.

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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Dkny (Reply 4):
The MD-11 for two months until end of August

Which aircraft will servet IAD after the MD11, the 763?

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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:08 am

This aircraft N801DE, ex Delta, bought by UPS, leased and operated by World, and now on ACMI to ET. Simple airline industry business, soon to be a frieght hauler.
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:49 am

Just wanted to follow up on my observations earlier about on-time performance. Now, none of us know why a particular flight on Ethiopian is late: could be weather, could be delays at ticketing/baggage, could be delays on assigning seats, could be equipment problems, whatever. That said, since June 14, not a single IAD-LIRF (the fuel stop) flight has gone out on time, indeed, not one has launched within a half-hour of schedule. That's 11 flights on Ethiopian's own metal, and one on the MD11. Most were 1-2 hours late, which is basically-consistent with the performance of World's MD11 on its first run for them. Like I said, I'm sure they'll get the bugs out, if there are any, on the flying side, and I'm sure that the Ethiopian agents will adjust to the new type pretty quickly. Ethiopian Airlines has a good reputation, so I am confident that they will work with their wet-lease partner and get the thing running smoothly.
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:52 am

Excuse my non-knowaldage but who is ET leasing the A330 from?
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:02 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 14):
who is ET leasing the A330 from

STAR Air, the French charter company. There's a press release on www.flyethiopian.com

http://www.flyethiopian.com/news/report.aspx?nid=132

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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:35 am

My experience with the MD-11, you have to know and understand the aircraft very well to avoid the nonsense delays, if the crew gets an advisory, they have to deal with it, open the book and see what the consequences are, sometimes they are a non event most times get ready!! MD=maintenance delay. When they run though they can haul alot of cargo.
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting Jetfixr757 (Reply 16):
MD=maintenance delay.

lol. I know that World often puts a mech on board when flying to unusual places. I don't know if Ethiopia qualifies, and Ethiopian has a significant MRO operation of its own, and they also have a lot of experience with Pratt engines, which World's MD11s use. Indeed, their 767s use Pratt 4062s. However, as they're not an MD11 operator or overhauler, I'm assuming that World has to make its own arrangements, and that would accordingly involve its own people, either at LIRF or in Ethiopia. But what do I know...
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:47 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 13):
That said, since June 14, not a single IAD-LIRF (the fuel stop) flight has gone out on time, indeed, not one has launched within a half-hour of schedule. That's 11 flights on Ethiopian's own metal, and one on the MD11. Most were 1-2 hours late, which is basically-consistent with the performance of World's MD11 on its first run for them

Personal experience on this flight, specifically the tardiness of the flight out of IAD, while it appears to be on-going, may or may not have an effect on the flights arrival at FCO, and ultimately at ADD. I have been on two flights that even went via EWR and departed > 1 hour late from IAD, and still made it on time at the final destination - weather, winds etc being contributing factors. Do you have stats on the arrivals of the 11 flights at ADD?
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:28 pm

Quoting ETStar (Reply 18):
Do you have stats on the arrivals of the 11 flights at ADD?

Sadly, no, if only because I'm not sure how to get them. The US departures and the LIRF arrivals are pretty transparent, but I don't know a system that would give me the ADD arrivals info.

IAD arrivals are another matter. The flight is supposed to arrive at 8:10 am and it looks like today's will be in between 9:15 and 9:30. In the past two weeks, it looks like it has been in as early as 7:22 (obviously favorable headwinds) and as late as 9:08 on ETH metal. So...WOA is still not bangin' on-time, but an hour ain't terrible on a 16-hour trip. OTOH, it's not spectacular, either. We'll have to see how it goes...

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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:54 pm

Quoting ETStar (Reply 2):
Dkny, have you noticed what appears to be a snowball effect with delays on flights operated with the 330? DXB has been wacky all week, having an effect on LOS (even when not operated by the 330) and all other flights that appear to connect with DXB (some DKR, HRE, BJM, DAR). Given the short stay on the ground for the 330 at DXB, if there is a delay, it throws off every other flight out of ADD, then back into ADD with the cycle continuing the next day.

It looks like ET has a delay out of ADD everymorning these days. If the Lagos or any west African flight is delayed arriving into ADD most Asian and the DXB flight will be delayed further delaying most African departures the next morning. Since most of these flights have a short stay at all points, it is very hard to get the flights back on track.
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting Dkny (Reply 20):
It looks like ET has a delay out of ADD everymorning these days. If the Lagos or any west African flight is delayed arriving into ADD most Asian and the DXB flight will be delayed further delaying most African departures the next morning. Since most of these flights have a short stay at all points, it is very hard to get the flights back on track.

Yup, that's the one I'm talking about. With DXB having such a short ground time with the 330, and the connections at ADD being timed just right, a delay of a few hours on the major routes (LOS, DXB) pretty much leaves everything up in the air (no pun intended).

Can anyone confirm the number of seats available on that 330? I can almost swear I read about 365 seats. Sardine anyone?
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting ETStar (Reply 21):
Can anyone confirm the number of seats available on that 330? I can almost swear I read about 365 seats. Sardine anyone?

Press release I cited to in Reply 15 above says 364: 21/343. The STAR Air web site says the same thing. http://www.star-airlines.fr/en/fleet/A330.htm
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting Dkny (Reply 20):
It looks like ET has a delay out of ADD everymorning these days. If the Lagos or any west African flight is delayed arriving into ADD most Asian and the DXB flight will be delayed further delaying most African departures the next morning. Since most of these flights have a short stay at all points, it is very hard to get the flights back on track.


Thought I'd revive this one, and notice that things appear to have gone back to normal on the DXB run. The second flight operated within a half hour using 73Ws seems to alleviate the problems, and the 330 is no longer on that run according to Amadeus. I see it on runs to Luanda and Lagos, and even Delhi/Peking three times per week!

Also something else that's interesting, Saudia is bringing in a B741 this week to Addis - is it pilgrimage season already?
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:07 am

Hey ETStar , what ever happend to them getting those 2 747s? Have't heard antthing since it was announced.

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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:44 pm

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 24):
Hey ETStar , what ever happend to them getting those 2 747s? Have't heard antthing since it was announced.

Cancelled, citing delivery time. That is why the A330 and MD11 are currently ploughing the routes.
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 19):
IAD arrivals are another matter. The flight is supposed to arrive at 8:10 am and it looks like today's will be in between 9:15 and 9:30. In the past two weeks, it looks like it has been in as early as 7:22 (obviously favorable headwinds) and as late as 9:08 on ETH metal. So...WOA is still not bangin' on-time, but an hour ain't terrible on a 16-hour trip. OTOH, it's not spectacular, either. We'll have to see how it goes..

How is WOA doing with the flight so far anyone know.....How are the arrivals and departure times out of IAD these days.

Quoting ETStar (Reply 25):
Cancelled, citing delivery time. That is why the A330 and MD11 are currently ploughing the routes.

I think they should have just pushed back the delivery date of these two planes. what happenes when the MD-11 and the 330 leave. I don't think 763 can do there job for the high seasons.
 
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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting ETStar (Reply 25):
Cancelled, citing delivery time. That is why the A330 and MD11 are currently ploughing the routes.

Wow I had no idea. Thanks for the news even though its dissapointing.

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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:11 pm

On Wed 19/07/06 World changed the aircraft on ET 501 out of IAD. This aircraft arrived in ADD on 20/07/06 and will operate ET 500 to IAD on 21/07/06. Anyone know why the aircraft was changed. This one has no ET markings at all.


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RE: Ethiopian's World Airways MD11

Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:44 pm

Quoting Dkny (Reply 28):
Anyone know why the aircraft was changed

Educated guess: to do some maint on the one that they took out of service. I'm guessing that it will be back in rotation as soon as it's ready.

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