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What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:51 am

Not too many years ago (okay, 15 or 20), the Southern skies were abuzz with Embraer Bandierantes in commuter service. Comair, ASA and PBA once used them extensively.

I've been on these several times and found them to be fun to fly in. The tight seating, lack of pressurization and noise were a real throw-back experience.

Where did all these go? Are they rusting away in the desert? Are they hauling cargo? Are they carrying contraband?
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting FLALEFTY (Thread starter):
Not too many years ago (okay, 15 or 20), the Southern skies were abuzz with Embraer Bandierantes in commuter service. Comair, ASA and PBA once used them extensively.

California was alive with Bandits also. They were a major part of the old UAX/WestAir fleet.
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting FLALEFTY (Thread starter):
The tight seating, lack of pressurization and noise were a real throw-back experience.

And would contribute to their lack of use in the year 2006  Wink

The lack of pressurization was the aircraft's biggest hinderance: It could not legally operate IFR in the mountainous regions of the US, where the MEA's on many Victor airways are higher than an unpressurized aircraft can legally operate.

Turbine engines gain effeciency as the altitude goes up, so I'd imagine that the lack of pressurization meant that the aircraft was always operating at a less than optimal altitude for it's engines.

Gotta wonder why they didn't just give all the pax supplemental Oxygen instead  Wink  crazy 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:06 am

But you can find them in the Pacific Northwest in Vancouver, BC. Pacific Coastal operates them out of YVR's South Terminal. But hurry and fly on them while you can as I hear they are looking to get rid of them.
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:24 am

I remember seeing them here in BOI with both Cascade Airways and Mountain West Airlines.
MtnWest even offered a beverage service on their BOI-RNO flights. They were competing with Gem State and their Metro IIs at the time, so I guess a Coke or pressurization was the choice.
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:51 am

There's and old UAX sitting wingless on a hill at APA does that count?
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:08 am

Here is a list of some fatal accidents of the EMB-110. Most of them by South American operators.

http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/embraer.htm


Unfortunately, I have yet to ever fly on a Bandit and would love to at some point. I assume it would be similar to a Beech 1900, one seat on each side and you have step over the wing spar to get to the rear seats? My biggest thrill of flying on Beech 1900's is that the crews rarely ever close the cockpit curtain, so if your lucky enough to be sitting in row 1, you get to see all the good stuff, airspeed, altitude, and the runway straight ahead. Only downside is that being at row 1, if the engine shears a blade and it comes inside the cabin, if you are not dead, you lose everything below the thigh.

Bandits used to fly for Comair from my hometown JAX-MCO daily in the 1990's. In 1984, a PBA EMB-110 crashed shortly after taking off, killing everyone aboard.

I do believe that most Bandits are relegated to cargo flying these days. I remember a trip to SAV one time where I saw both a Bandit and Brasilia sitting at the FBO ramp, and the Bandit said "AirNet" on the side. Looked like a check-flying or small package company of sorts.



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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 4):
They were competing with Gem State and their Metro IIs at the time,

Before Justin Colin bought Gem State, moved it to MRY and renamed it Golden Gate in the late 70's? I didn't know there were Bandits operating up that early. The Bandit didn't even start production until 1973.
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:07 pm

MtnWest began Feb 26,1979 with service BOI-PIH-IDA-BOI,-RNO,-SLC,SLC-PIH-IDA-BOI. Later expanding and shifting routes until their demise in Feb 1981. They had a mix of EMB and Navajo Chieftains.
Gem State operated Dec 1978 to Dec 1979 when they relocated to MRY and merged with IK (Air Pacific) and became Golden Gate.

I see that AeroMech had the first US service sometime in 1979, so they must have been one of the first in the US. This according to "Passenger Airliners of the United States 1926-1995" book I am looking thru. I thought I read somewhere that Wyoming Air Service(?) was.

Here are some pics of former Mountain West Airlines (FX) Bandits.



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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:33 pm

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 6):
Unfortunately, I have yet to ever fly on a Bandit and would love to at some point. I assume it would be similar to a Beech 1900, one seat on each side and you have step over the wing spar to get to the rear seats?

If I remember correctly the EMB110 was 2+1 seating with 6 rows of 3. There was a bulkhead & entrance area at the front of the cabin which meant you couldn't easily see into the flight deck.
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:46 pm

Quoting FLALEFTY (Thread starter):
the Southern skies were abuzz with Embraer Bandierantes in commuter service. Comair, ASA and PBA

I remember how proud Comair was to upgrade from Navajo's to the Bandits in the early 80's.

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 6):
I assume it would be similar to a Beech 1900,

When the Bandit's first came out the Beechcraft 1900's did not have the raised cabin feature which gave the aircraft a cabin size advantage.

I always preferred the Bandierantes to Metroliners, at least from a passenger perspective, although the Metro's were significantly faster.
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:03 pm

Quoting FlyMatt2Bermud (Reply 10):
I always preferred the Bandierantes to Metroliners, at least from a passenger perspective, although the Metro's were significantly faster.

Ah yes! You bring up the old Metroliner. I still remember having to crouch-walk to my seats in the "San Antonio Sewer Pipe". But another fun plane - a "real" flying experience.

They have sort of disappeared too!
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting Yak97 (Reply 9):
If I remember correctly the EMB110 was 2+1 seating with 6 rows of 3.

Correct. Westair flew them for UAX. I remember the 2 seat side was really just a bench like you would find in a school bus. 2 seat belts but no are rest so if you were on that side you got to know your seatmate well.

This is a cabin shot of one in South Africa showing the configuration. I don't remember the seats having that much padding back in the 80s.


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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:22 am

Ottopylit, that would be Airnow, not Airnet. They are the only ones currently flying them that I know of. Like everyone else, I'm a little surprised that we don't see more of them in the cargo industry, but the Metro's speed seems to be a significant factor in this niche. www.airnow.com
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 11):
Ah yes! You bring up the old Metroliner. I still remember having to crouch-walk to my seats in the "San Antonio Sewer Pipe". But another fun plane - a "real" flying experience.

They have sort of disappeared too!

I've always thought, when examininig pictures in the database, that there's a ton of wasted space in the fuselage on these birds (examine the proportion of windows to fuselage length!). Part of it was probably reserved for baggage...

I will not miss re-fueling the Metroliner's kissing cousin, the Merlin. The wings were pretty high off the ground, and there was no single-point fueling port on these birds...I had to bring the fuel truck in pretty close to the prop and stand on the truck itself to successfully fuel the Merlin. God help you if the truck's parking brake didn't hold and the truck jumped the chocks!
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting Yak97 (Reply 9):
There was a bulkhead & entrance area at the front of the cabin which meant you couldn't easily see into the flight deck.

If its anything like the picture below of the one in Africa, thats not too bad, although not as open as the 1900. At first, when you said bulkhead, I was beginning to think you were referring to something like the ATR-72, where you have the baggage bin in between the cabin and the cockpit. LOL

Quoting FlyMatt2Bermud (Reply 10):
I always preferred the Bandierantes to Metroliners, at least from a passenger perspective, although the Metro's were significantly faster.

Still a few Metro's around though. I always see one at CVG and EYW over by the FBO's. I believe it was a Metroliner(or was it a Merlin?) that Winston Cup winner Alan Kulwicki was killed in 1993 after a Hooter's PR event, due to the aircraft's de-icing boots failing to activate.

Quoting Caboclo (Reply 13):
Ottopylit, that would be Airnow, not Airnet. They are the only ones currently flying them that I know of.

Ah, I stand corrected. AirNow it is. They don't seem like a bad outfit, Caravans, Bandits, and Shorts in their fleets, with first year pay at 28K? Not bad for someone who just finished flying years of instructing and banner-towing, while living on the edge of foodstamps.



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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:24 am

I remember the Aeromech (later Wright) birds well. Used to see them at PIT all the time. I also flew on them a few times betweem DAB and MCO on Comair. The last seat on the left was the best seat in the Florida summertime and the worst seat in the Pennsylvania winter. When the cargo door was open this seat was partly exposed the elements. It was the only cabin ventilation available on the ground but it really sucked in the rain and snow.
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:51 am

Count me as one that disliked the Bandits. Westair flew them into my home airport of Crescent City as part of a CEC-ACV-SMF-SFO routing. I always smelled like fuel when I got off. Was happy when they replaced it with the Jetstream 31.
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:13 am

I know some airlines ( can't recall who, though.) adopted seating for 15 in 1-1 configuration.
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:00 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
Quoting Yak97 (Reply 9):
If I remember correctly the EMB110 was 2+1 seating with 6 rows of 3.

Correct. Westair flew them for UAX.

Westair actually flew a 15 seat and a 19 seat version of the bandit. The 15 seat version had 1+1 seating with three across in the last row. The 19 seater had 2+1 seating. IIRC the left side had 7 rows of 2 seats each and the right side had 5 rows of 1 seat each.
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:05 pm

Basically what happened to the Bandit and the Metro was the larger King Air, which became the B1900. It really is too bad though because both the Bandit and Metro were much more beautiful airplanes
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:07 pm

I remember flying a Bandit SPS-DFW on ASA way back when... really a fun ride.
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:59 pm

My first flight on a bandit was on a day when Dolphin had free flights as some kind of publicity event. They were from TPA, but from the FBO I think, and IIRC there was no security at all, imagine that now. Does anyone have any idea when that was? I guess they weren't around for too long. I knew a girl whose stepdad was a pilot for them, was a former Aeromech bandit driver.


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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:14 pm

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 3):
But you can find them in the Pacific Northwest in Vancouver, BC. Pacific Coastal operates them out of YVR's South Terminal. But hurry and fly on them while you can as I hear they are looking to get rid of them.

I'm afraid it's too late - I believe the last Pacific Coastal Bandierante was retired and left on June 29, apparently headed for service in Venezuela.
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Flaps (Reply 16):
When the cargo door was open this seat was partly exposed the elements.

OOhhh what a pain in the ass that cargo door was...The hydraulic door pump bar was always missing from Comairs bandits. You either had to have 2 people or long arms to open the door and pump it up in the open position...

Gone and good riddance.

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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:19 am

Flew them a few times at UAX from SFO to MRY. Quick...and noisy...flight. But, I loved it!
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:30 am

Not much here on what happened to them, though. In New Zealand Eagle (AirNZLink) flew them.. At least two of these are now serving as hen houses on farms around Hamilton (where they were based)
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:51 am

Some are still runing regional flights in Brazil. Rico Airlines for example (www.voerico.com.br) keeps 4 Emb-110 runing some routes to/from MAO over the Amazon.

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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 15):
I believe it was a Metroliner(or was it a Merlin?) that Winston Cup winner Alan Kulwicki was killed in 1993 after a Hooter's PR event

The aircraft was a SA227-TT (Merlin IIIC). Engine ice was the probable cause of the accident. Here is a copy of the NTSB report.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X12077&key=1
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting FLALEFTY (Thread starter):
Embraer Bandierantes

Bandeirantes.
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 6):
Only downside is that being at row 1, if the engine shears a blade and it comes inside the cabin, if you are not dead, you lose everything below the thigh.

Well that is a cheery thought.  Smile
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:33 am

I Have many a fine memory of the good o'l Bandit. I was a Pilot for the now Bankrupt Royale Airlines out of SHV!!
I flew it out of MSY on the milk run from New Orleans to Lafayette LA to Lake Charles LA onto Beaumont Tx, and on into Houston Intecontinental.

Then from their either down to Victoria Texas or up to College Station and back to IAH, then back to MSY on the same route. Back in NewOrleans then onto Pensacola Fla. Or up to Baton Rouge then onto Monroe LA. Onto SHV.

It was a great time and over 1000hrs. on the plane!
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:24 pm

We have one in the museum here on the IOM. It was stored for a year or two and then finally given to them. Not sure why it stopped being used, although I suspect unpaid landing fees had a lot to do with it! I do know it's a mess inside and they are having fun restoring it.

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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:21 am

Air Creebec still flies EMB-110s. I see them at YOW regularly doing ad-hoc charters from YTS. I think you can fly them sked out of YUL...definitely out of YTS.
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:31 am

Royal Air ,at KPTK, and Special Aviation services out of Leipsic,Oh. ,hard by Toledo Express ,KTOL,both still fly Bandits in Pt.135 freight dog operations, my wife cut her teeth on the Bandit, before ascending to CoEx, and the ATR,and then the EMB-145,and I myself have about 11 hrs in the left seat of the EMB-110, it was more fun than a King Air !
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:59 am

The great shame with the EMB110 was that it was a political decision to stop production and move onto the EM120. I was at the factory when the last aircraft were going down the production line and the Embaer reps said that they still had interest in the aircraft but the decision was made to move to the EMB120.

From the freight point of view the aircraft with the large freight door was a dream.

Its a bit of a question as to what will happen in the future when the airlines run out of older smaller commuter aircraft like EMB110, DHC-6, SD3-30 & SD3-60. What will new start-up airlines in the future use? There are no smaller aircraft in production (stand to be corrected) below the ATR42?? Aircraft like the B1900C or D's or J31/32 are a much more complex aircraft (especially with pressurisation) and will cost more to operate as they get older.
 
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:06 pm

A charter company called Air National in NZ still fly them; and other airlines charter it from them at times, when their own aircraft are under maintenance etcetera, and they need a replacement fast. A significant part of their work is spent doing these kind of contracts; so you may still end up on a Bandeirante in this part of the world  Smile

From their website:

"Embraer Bandierante E110
Max Seating: 15
The Bandierante is fast, spacious, safe and reliable. This, along with its ability to operate at high weights from the majority of New Zealand airfields makes it a versatile Charter aircraft. Simply put, there isn't another 15 seater as capable as the Bandierante."

Like Yak97 says, I wonder what will happen in future as there seems no real replacement for the Bandeirantes - the 1900Cs/Ds and Jetstream J31/32 are rather more complicated. Who will be the basic workhorses of the future?
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:13 am

The pic in post 8 of the Bandit in MSP brings back memories!I was "fuel guy" at gate 73,the commuter gate at MSP,American central ran a big operation at the time,the days when the commuters were fun.
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:19 am

From a total of 499 Bandeirante built, around 240 stil in operation, including 105 still in service in Brazilian Air Force.

Air Now (Business Air) have the bigger civilian fleet (10 to 14 aircrafts) and use the aircraft for cargo flights.

Another operators are Abaeté (Brazil), Airlink Pty (New Guinea), Air Fiji, and many more...

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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting DC3CV3407AC727 (Reply 34):
... Special Aviation services out of Leipsic,Oh. ,hard by Toledo Express ,KTOL,both still fly Bandits in Pt.135 freight dog operations

By any chance do you know if those freighters are ones that flew commuter service in/out of KTOL in the 80's? One of my first commercial flights was on a -110 out of Toledo Express. I distinctly remember that plane bucking wildly in a heavy crosswind on final, and being able to watch the pilots through the open cockpit door. I can't remember what airline it was, but I think the aircraft wore a cream or buff livery with dark brown striping.
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RE: What Happened To All The Bandierantes?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting Vector (Reply 38):
From a total of 499 Bandeirante built, around 240 stil in operation, including 105 still in service in Brazilian Air Force

Thanks Vector! That is exactly the sort of information I was hoping for.