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AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:56 pm

I got a call today and my uncle was racing to get to AUS to make a flight. His Porche crapped out and I taxied his butt to the airport. He got to AUS on time for AA 1924. The evening flights were cancelled due to weather. There were several diversions that landed at AUS that needed to get through to DFW. He told OPS that he needed to get to DFW tonight for a check ride with a former TW guy flying to BWI early tomorrow. They loaded him up in a crew transport and ran him out to the ramp. They dropped the rear stairs and he boarded aft while the a/c was holding on the ramp. Made his way up to 2A and eventually got to DFW tonight.

Here is a pic I Googled to show you the aft stairs lowered.

I've heard the story of the FAM being left at the gate and having to taxi back, but never taking a pilot out to the ramp and boarding this way!


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Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:02 pm

Man Drew, thats something else!!! :-P

Thats like wicked.

Pilot "ya that son of bitch dropped his ass and i walked right on in!!!"

hehe great story!
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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:12 pm

The question: What's involved in lowering (and then raising) the ventral airstaris on a MD-80, 727, etc?

I mean I would assume that lowering them for Emergency Exit is pretty quick and fool resistant, but doesn't it also involve blowing off the tail cone?

How do you lower (and then raise) them in such a manner as to not jeopardize the flight? Is there a button that is pressed (flight deck? FA?)? handled pulled?

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Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:25 pm

I believe there is some sort of device (handle, button, knob, lever, etc.) by the stairs, since stairs are routinely lowered while MD-80s are parked at the gate at ORD.

I remember years ago on a DL 727 that the F/E finished his walkaround and then came up the rear stairs, threw the lever to raise the stairs, locked the access door, then walked up to the flight deck.
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:27 pm

Sick story.... Ive seen the stairs when I go to the restroom back in Y class on the MAD DOG. Wonder if they ever use them to board regular passangers?


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Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:31 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 4):
You drive him in the M Power and let him bust in on ure date?

Yeah, I called you earilier Matt and told you this...to top it all off, I was headed to the Alamo Drafthouse to see Superman with Andrea. Major bummer. Jim kept us entertained telling jokes on the way to the airport.

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Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:02 pm

Is the process for lowering the rear stairs on an AA MD-80 any different than, say, the process for lowering the rear stairs on a DL Shuttle MD-88? It only takes them a few moments after parking at the gate to lower the stairs on my DCA-LGA-DCA Shuttle flights.
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:05 pm

Who cares if the stairs were lowered? It's nothing new, is done quite often if you fly DL shuttle and any other airline in Europe.
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:30 pm

Quoting American777 (Reply 6):
And yes I have a cousin who works on the ramps guiding airplanes to the runways at AUS and I called him tonight and said nothing like that ever happen.

LMAO... Attention ALL!!!! JOE's Counsin knows everything about AA and AUS. So when posting about either please go through him!

Get over it!

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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:32 pm

There is no way that pic is of someone getting on a plane out on the tarmac. Why in the world would they have the air-stairs down and portable stairs on the catering door? Besides it looks to me that this aircraft was involved in a accident of some sort, the fuselage looks to be low towards the nose (might be a nose gear collapse) and the air-stairs are to far off the ground for normal ops. Just my thoughts though
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 2):
The question: What's involved in lowering (and then raising) the ventral airstaris on a MD-80, 727, etc?

Not a lot of things... The 727 which I flew, and I assume the MD80 family take off pressurized. Despite the cabin differential pressure should not exceed a value that would make it possible to open the exits on an emergency, it is often slowly depressurized to avoid discomfort to the passengers.

Another thing to keep in mind when doing so is GOOD communication with your cabin crew. Let them know what you want to be done, when and how. Is also good to let your passengers know what's going on, you don't want a nervous passenger panicking and jumping out the aircraft as soon as a door opens.

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 2):
I mean I would assume that lowering them for Emergency Exit is pretty quick and fool resistant, but doesn't it also involve blowing off the tail cone?

How do you lower (and then raise) them in such a manner as to not jeopardize the flight? Is there a button that is pressed (flight deck? FA?)? handled pulled?

The MD80 can blow away its cone allowing the passengers to walk on top of the the stairs and exit the aircraft. That is done by opening the aft door, pulling a handle and letting the escape slide to deploy. The 727 just have a mechanism which lowers the stairs and locks them in the down position. On the "three-holer" it was actually procedure for us to lower the stairs as soon as the aircraft was chocked, to prevent the plane from sitting on its tail as cargo, bags and passengers were offloaded. So, it was nothing unusual to see.

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Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:03 pm

I don't see why dropping the stairs so someone could get on "couldn't happen". Back when I worked the ramp at SFO, on two different occasions that I saw, OPS made an aircraft hold (737 first time, 757 second time) after pushback, and shut down the already-started right side engine so they could throw some overlooked late bags into the cargo pit. The second time, the aircraft actually had to taxi over to a holding area so it would be out of the way while this was done.

I have no MD-80 experience, but on the 727, you can open a panel on the outside of the aircraft, and pull down a handle. The airstairs will then drop. The guy runs up the stairs, opens the door, goes inside and closes the door. You then put the handle up, and close the panel. Done deal, no muss, no fuss.  Wink

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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:46 pm

The stairs on the MD-80's and B727's are hydraulically actuated. The stairs can free-fall without hydraulic power if necessary.
 
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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:12 pm

Quoting American777 (Reply 6):
And yes I have a cousin who works on the ramps guiding airplanes to the runways at AUS

Hmmm. Being a ramper myself I haven't ever guided an a/c out to any runways. I guess things are done a little different is AUS.  Yeah sure
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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:23 pm

Quoting AEroc (Reply 12):
There is no way that pic is of someone getting on a plane out on the tarmac.

true, true...

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Here is a pic I Googled to show you the aft stairs lowered.
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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:09 pm

My dad, a former pilot for AA, always likes to claim he flew Elvis from MEM-BNA and in his story, Elvis drove on to the ramp in his car and boarded using the rear stairs. True on not I don't know.

I was talking to my parents the other day, my mom is a flight attendant for AA, and she was saying on the MD-80 there is no way to lower the stairs from the inside of the airplane, but must be done by the ground crew. Of course they can use it as an emergency exit from the inside.

Quoting American777 (Reply 6):

Is that a picture of yours you took when they were boarding him, or did you steal the photo from this link: http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=143662

So say the truth, are you making up this story or are you saying the truth.

That photo is from the accident in ORD just last month, so chill out he was just showing a picture with the stairs down.

While I can't say this happened or not, I would say it would make more sense for them to lower the stairs than taxi back to a gate, dock it and taxi back to a runway. And all of that would have wasted fuel, which AA is trying to save. And AA would have done anything to get him to DFW because they needed him for company business, for example all crew needing training get guaranteed seats to where they have to report, but not back to their home or for commuting for a normal flight.
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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:40 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 3):
I remember years ago on a DL 727 that the F/E finished his walkaround and then came up the rear stairs, threw the lever to raise the stairs, locked the access door, then walked up to the flight deck.

The stairs can only be opened from outside and closed from outside thanks to d.b.cooper

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 4):
Wonder if they ever use them to board regular passangers?

At cities where we do not have jetways they board and deplane from the front door and aft stair.

Quoting Jascmil (Reply 8):
Is the process for lowering the rear stairs on an AA MD-80 any different than, say, the process for lowering the rear stairs on a DL Shuttle MD-88? It only takes them a few moments after parking at the gate to lower the stairs on my DCA-LGA-DCA Shuttle flights.

Just open the access panel and push the lever they will free fall down but you need hydraulic power to raise them.
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting Nonfirm (Reply 20):
d.b.cooper

exactly...the cooper vane. the a/c at AUS was holding on the jetway, waiting for ATC clearance to get to DFW. it was alot easier to open the door and get him on one of the diversions im guessing.
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:10 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 21):
exactly...the cooper vane. the a/c at AUS was holding on the jetway, waiting for ATC clearance to get to DFW. it was alot easier to open the door and get him on one of the diversions im guessing.

With the jetway pulled for pushback the fastest way in the MD is through the aft stairs and i do not see a problem that's what there for.
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:53 pm

I boarded an AA MD80 through the aft stairs in SHV yesterday evening and even did a trip report on it. Sorry but didn't get a picture of it. Nonrev On A Diverted Flight SHV-DFW (by DFW13L Jul 6 2006 in Trip Reports)
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting Reins485 (Reply 18):
I was talking to my parents the other day, my mom is a flight attendant for AA, and she was saying on the MD-80 there is no way to lower the stairs from the inside of the airplane, but must be done by the ground crew. Of course they can use it as an emergency exit from the inside.

Incorrect...even in an emergency the stairs are not lowered. The tailcone jettisons and the slide blows. The stairs can only be lowered from the outside.
 
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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 20):
Quoting Reins485 (Reply 18):
I was talking to my parents the other day, my mom is a flight attendant for AA, and she was saying on the MD-80 there is no way to lower the stairs from the inside of the airplane, but must be done by the ground crew. Of course they can use it as an emergency exit from the inside.

Incorrect...even in an emergency the stairs are not lowered. The tailcone jettisons and the slide blows. The stairs can only be lowered from the outside

That is what he is saying, they can't lower it normally from the inside, but can open it for emergency's only.
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:35 am

On the 727 you can drop the airstairs from inside the aircraft,it is disabled in flight by the "cooper vane".
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:40 am

This is a pic of the AA MD-80 that had the nosegear malfunction at ORD the other day. Pax were deplaned via the rear galley door and the rear stairs.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:54 am

I think that is very interesting. I wonder who thought to put the guy on a plane that was waiting to get to DFW after diverting to AUS? I'm impressed that they actually went ahead and got him on the plane by dropping the stairs. Airlines have so many regulations and restrictions especially large ones like AA that something that sounds simple like this probably violated many different policies, but in the end I guess it didn't matter since they needed him in DFW. I wonder what the passengers would have thought when they found out that they would be picking up a stranded pilot after their diversion.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 24):
I'm impressed that they actually went ahead and got him on the plane by dropping the stairs. Airlines have so many regulations and restrictions especially large ones like AA that something that sounds simple like this probably violated many different policies, but in the end I guess it didn't matter since they needed him in DFW.

If it's a domestic diversion, it should be a non-issue. Now, for a flight diverted from an international destination, that's a whole other ball game.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:30 am

Just for the record, the airstairs are normally lowered from the outside. There is no control for doing it inside the aircraft. However, at DAL the pilots are shown how to go back onto the catwalk and move the control valve on the Capt's side to lower the airstairs from inside. You have to use your foot to open it. This can be useful if I have to divert to a place where the rampers do not know how to lower airstairs and there's no jetway,
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:44 am

That pic is not from an insident from last month at ORD. That is a pic of a insident that happened about 3 years ago. Look at the registration number. The plane that had the nose gear problem last month was a former TWA S80.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:15 am

Years ago on DL from CVG to DCA, the guy sitting next to me somehow got on the wrong plane. He was supposed to be going to LGA, EWR, or something. Anyway, he discovered his mistake while we were taxing away from the terminal. He notified the F/A who in turn told the captain. They escorted the man to the rear of the B727 and let him off via the rear airstairs to a waiting DL agent who took him back to the terminal.
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Reins485 (Reply 15):

I was talking to my parents the other day, my mom is a flight attendant for AA, and she was saying on the MD-80 there is no way to lower the stairs from the inside of the airplane, but must be done by the ground crew.

Dunno about the MD-80, but on the 88 you can at least close them from inside... if does involve going into the tailcone and hoping you don't grab the emergency release by mistake, though.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting Nonfirm (Reply 16):

The stairs can only be opened from outside and closed from outside thanks to d.b.cooper

I'm not sure about the MD-80, but the 727s that I am flying still have the aft airstair door handle installed inside. It sits at the top of the stairs, on the right hand side, just to the left of the fire bottles.

Someone mentioned the d.b. Cooper vane. The insteresting thing there is how simple this vane really is. It is simply a piece of aluminum that has been bent so that when the airplane accelerates the airflow pushes the vane such that it blocks the door inhibbiting it from extending. It is spring loaded back to the "off" position when the airflow decreases. Really simple.

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:16 am

It looks to me like the nose gear might have dropped as those stairs do not reach the tarmac.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 27):
That pic is not from an insident from last month at ORD. That is a pic of a insident that happened about 3 years ago. Look at the registration number. The plane that had the nose gear problem last month was a former TWA S80.

That picture is not ORD that has to be LGA as those are Port Authority Police cars and AA doesnt send MD88's to JFK it could also be EWR but it's definatly a Port Authority airport.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 32):
AA doesnt send MD88's to JFK

Hell, AA doesn't even fly -88s! :P
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting Boeing727flyer (Reply 31):
It looks to me like the nose gear might have dropped as those stairs do not reach the tarmac.

Yes, nosegear was not down in the photo.

Quoting 727forever (Reply 30):
I'm not sure about the MD-80, but the 727s that I am flying still have the aft airstair door handle installed inside.

All of the UA 727s had fully functioning inside handles for the airstairs as well. There was no need to remove or deactivate it, since the added-on "cooper vane" precluded the possibility deployment in flight.


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Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting Seanp11 (Reply 33):
Hell, AA doesn't even fly -88s

My bad i am from DL thats what Im used to saying. I meant Super 80.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 2):
The question: What's involved in lowering (and then raising) the ventral airstaris on a MD-80, 727, etc?

I mean I would assume that lowering them for Emergency Exit is pretty quick and fool resistant, but doesn't it also involve blowing off the tail cone?

How do you lower (and then raise) them in such a manner as to not jeopardize the flight? Is there a button that is pressed (flight deck? FA?)? handled pulled?

Normal operation of the 727's airstairs:
http://filexoom.com/files/view/3162/pex-727airstairs.JPG

Normal operation of the DC-9's airstairs:
http://filexoom.com/files/3162/twa-normairstair.JPG

Abnormal operation of the DC-9's airstairs:
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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:27 am

The Ventral stairs on the DC9/MD80s series originally had the capability to be lowered from the inside (this told to me by a DL mechanic.) The handle was located on the left side of the aft stairs just outside the aft door. If you ever look at the door control cover, it has a amber/green stair indicator on it. Behind the access panel is where the handle was located. It was decided by whom/whoever to simply remove the actuator handle and associated linkages than to put a D.B. cooper vane on board.

The tail cone is not blown off or jettisoned, but simply falls to the ground, then the slide inflates.

The stairs can be lowered from the outside whether the inside is armed or disarmed.

The arming procedure inside the cabin is to flip a cover down on the inside of the aft cabin door, this exposes the emergency red handle.
When an emergency evac is required, this handle is rotated to the right (as your facing the door) a metal pin is pushed up through the top of the door into an over-center linkage...so that when the door is opened approx 1-2 inches, the over-center spring flies out, pulling on a cable that yanks the lock rings on the tailcone. When the tailcone falls clear a cable hooked to the slide flips the slide out and inflates it.

Any doubts about how it works were quashed here in MLB. AA had it happen to one of their MD80s back in 1991 (+/- 2 yrs). The taicone just rolled around on the ground right under the tail - OOPS

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:25 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 24):
I think that is very interesting. I wonder who thought to put the guy on a plane that was waiting to get to DFW after diverting to AUS?

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 3):
I believe there is some sort of device (handle, button, knob, lever, etc.) by the stairs, since stairs are routinely lowered while MD-80s are parked at the gate at ORD

True. I see those things let down all the time. Never thought I would hear of a plane holding on the ramp and someone coming up the rear. Wonder who passengers thought he was lol
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 32):
That picture is not ORD that has to be LGA as those are Port Authority Police cars and AA doesnt send MD88's to JFK it could also be EWR but it's definatly a Port Authority airport.

I realized you meant S80, but they do in fact sent them to JFK at the time of the incident.

This incident is AA Flight 1048, which landed at JFK with no nose gear.

September 2nd, 2003 is when this happened.


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Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:44 am

Well...I could be missing something...but didn't your uncle just breach security? Or did they pick him up at the gate?
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 36):
Sorry my scans are a little crooked, I'm forced to use MS Paint as my scanning software.

No worries... Thanks for sharing!

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Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:51 am

And why would they have the slats extended on the ramp to board a passenger no matter who it was? But hey who cares, BOGUS but nice try
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:53 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 42):
Well...I could be missing something...but didn't your uncle just breach security? Or did they pick him up at the gate?

How is this a breach of security when OPS made the decision to get him on the diverted plane back to DFW? He didn't just walk out to the a/c, they took a crew transport vehicle.

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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 41):
Commuting pilot once again inconveniences the people who
pay his salary.

How exactly did he inconvenience any passengers. If the aircraft was just waiting out a diversion. I assume they did not have to off load any pax. The pilot simply took advantage of a diverted flight. Is someone upset because they cannot commute?
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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:17 pm

If he's a pilot for AA, then he has the appropriate badge to be on the ramp, so how is it a security issue? At SFO, UA has a van for taking the pilots from their ops building over to their awaiting aircraft right on the ramp. They do go through a security checkpoint on the way, and I'll venture a guess the guy's uncle did at some point as well.

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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:23 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 45):
they took a crew transport vehicle.

Um, yeah, but if he was jumpseating, it doesn't matter, he still has to go through security. You can't just bypass security if you're jumpseating...
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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:24 pm

Ha! This reminds me of back when I was a Flight Mechanic. I was at LAS talking to one of our ops agents at my former carrier when I heard someone ask me, "Weren't you supposed to be on that ***** flight?" I answered, yeah that she was correct and then to my horror she said it had already left the gate and was on the ramp starting engines. Yup, looking out the window, she was right! DOH!

By the time I got someone to radio the crew and tell them to stop, they were already on the taxiway adjacent to the ramp. I don't even think they told them what they were holding for, just to hold position!

I got one of our local LAS mechanics to drive me out next to the airplane and I dropped the rear stairs on the 727 I was supposed to be on and headed up with my bags. Raised the stairs and called the cockpit on the inter-phone and told them I was aboard now and that we could head on out.

After takeoff, I made my way to the cockpit and told the crew the deal and that I supposed to ride with them through some place in Indiana and onwards to our final destination, MSP.

That's one thing I miss about my old airline. I knew everyone including all the pilots and flight attendants and we all got along really well. The pilots thought it was quite funny and nothing else was ever said about it...  Smile

You can bet, next time I will be sure and re-set and double check my watch to ensure I had it on local time! I was thinking I had an hour more before push time.

Maybe sometime, I will spill the beans and tell you guys about the time I was a stow away to Hawaii... lol Now that was funny! On second thought I might wanna keep that one to myself.. What happened was a BIG NO NO. But alas it happened by accident...  Smile
 
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RE: AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:00 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 48):
Um, yeah, but if he was jumpseating, it doesn't matter, he still has to go through security. You can't just bypass security if you're jumpseating...

A. I never said he jumpseated. He was in 2A.

B. He's a AA pilot, thus a badged airline employee.

C. He's a FFDO, carrying a DOJ ID.

D. I said crew transport took him out, he spoke with AA ops and got the go ahead to get on the diversion that was just waiting on the ramp for DFW weather to clear.

E. He was needed in DFW the following morning as he's a Sr Check Airman for AA and is called in to assist problematic pilot training. IE. If you fail a sim. test 3 times, you get stuck with him to iron things out.

He made it to DFW and got his pilot (former TW guy out of STL) and ended up checking him out on DFW-BWI. Dunno if the pilot passed his checks or not.

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