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Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:31 pm

Who operates the oldest Boeing 747 still in regular passenger service?
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:47 pm

Iranian Air Force has some early made ones in the tanker/transport role. Iran air has several from mid-70s.
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:09 pm

Orient Thai should have some good old 747's Not saying their the oldest, but I'll think they might be close.

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:13 pm

I believe its an Evergreen 741. Do a photosearch maybe?
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:14 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
I believe its an Evergreen 741. Do a photosearch maybe?

On a passenger service?
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:23 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 4):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
I believe its an Evergreen 741. Do a photosearch maybe?

On a passenger service?

LOL oops sorry my bad.

In that case the IR 742.
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting A300 (Reply 1):
Iranian Air Force has some early made ones in the tanker/transport role.

You are right... It is reported, that Iran AF is flying one B747-100 c/n 5!! but too little is known, if still active...

On passenger service, I would guess KABO AIR Nigeria... But also, too little is known, if these a/c still operates...
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:38 pm

What about this bird??
If you read the comment, it seems as though this plane has been around for a while...

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:51 pm

I have seen some of the Iranian Air Force 747s landing at Tehran-Mehrabad. I couldn't see the registration to know if it was in fact c/n 5 aircraft.
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:00 pm

Quoting A300 (Reply 1):
Iranian Air Force has some early made ones in the tanker/transport role.



Quoting Debonair (Reply 6):
On passenger service, I would guess KABO AIR Nigeria... But also, too little is known, if these a/c still operates...

Iranian Air force has indeed several of the oldest B747s still active, but these are freighters/tankers.
The oldest active pax 747 might be 5N-EEE c/n 19732

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but I don't know whther it's still active nor do I know whether it's doing regular services. It was last seen in 2004.

Quoting A300 (Reply 1):
Orient Thai should have some good old 747's Not saying their the oldest,

You might be closer than you thought. If Kabo Air isn't doing any regular operations, the oldest one that is doing regular pax services is likely Oreint Thai's HS-UTP 20530

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:09 pm

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 9):
The oldest active pax 747 might be 5N-EEE c/n 19732

Kabo Air actually have another 747 in pax configuration that's actually older than 5N-EEE; 5N-RRR (c/n 19765) was originally delivered on March 7th 1971, two months before 5N-EEE. Whether it's still flying or not is a different matter.....


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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:15 pm

With regards to Kabo Air, the latest available information on its 747 fleet is the following:

Type: B.747-136
Serial: 19766/111
Engines: JT9D-7A
1st Flight: 13-02-71
1st Delivery: 14-03-71 (BA)
Reg: 5N-JJJ
Operator: Kabo Air
IATA code: N2
Status: Derelict at KAN
Remarks: 109,944 hours
Last update: 16-Dec-2005

Type: B.747-136
Serial: 20952/246
Engines: JT9D-7A
1st Flight: 20-09-74
1st Delivery: 06-11-74 (BA)
Reg: 5N-OOO
Operator: Kabo Air
IATA code: N2
Status: Stored
Last update: 20-Jan-2006

Type: B.747-136
Serial: 19765/109
Engines: JT9D-7A
1st Flight: 10-02-71
1st Delivery: 05-03-71 (BA)
Reg: 5N-RRR
Operator: Kabo Air
IATA code: N2
Status: Derelict at KAN
Last update: 16-Dec-2005

Type: B.747-243B
Serial: 19732/134
Engines: JT9D-7J
1st Flight: 28-04-71
1st Delivery: 07-05-71 (AZ)
Reg: 5N-EEE
Operator: Kabo Air
IATA code: N2
Status: Derelict at KAN
Last update: 16-Dec-2005

Type: B.747-287B
Serial: 21189/274
Engines: JT9D-7J
1st Flight: 11-11-75
1st Delivery: 16-12-76 (AR)
Reg: 5N-NNN
Operator: Kabo Air
IATA code: N2
Status: Stored
Last update: 20-Jan-2006

Type: B.747-238B
Serial: 20842/238
Engines: JT9D-7J
1st Flight: 13-05-74
1st Delivery: 24-05-74 (QF)
Reg: 5N-PDP
Operator: Kabo Air
IATA code: N2
Status: Active
Last update: 15-Jun-2006

Type: B.747-238B
Serial: 20921/241
Engines: JT9D-7J
1st Flight: 28-06-74
1st Delivery: 10-10-74 (QF)
Reg: 5N-PPP
Operator: Kabo Air
IATA code: N2
Status: Derelict at KAN
Last update: 16-Dec-2005

Source: www.aerotransport.org

So basically, Kabo have just one 747 still flying (5N-PDP), and as far as surviving 747s go, she is not the oldest in the world. That honour apparently falls to:

Type: B.747-238B
Serial: 20009/147
Engines: JT9D-7F
1st Flight: 08-07-71
1st Delivery: 30-07-71 (QF)
Reg: 3D-NED
Operator: Northeast AL
Status: Active
Remarks: 71,415 hours, 16,108 cycles
Last update: 12-Jun-2005


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However, for those of you who are, as I am, not convinced that this bird is still flying, the oldest would have to be this one:

Type: B.747-246B
Serial: 20530/196
Engines: JT9D-7AW
1st Flight: 23-08-72
1st Delivery: 03-11-72 (JL)
Reg: HS-UTP
Operator: Orient Thai AL
IATA code: OX
Status: Active
Last update: 14-Aug-2005


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Orient Thai is also the operator of the last basic B747-100 in passenger service, 1975-build HS-UTD:


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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:58 pm

What about the Saudia B747s?
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 12):
What about the Saudia B747s?

The oldest 747 that Saudi Arabian operates is HZ-AIB (c/n 22499), delivered on April 2nd 1981.

Quite a bit younger than some of the other machines out there.

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 12):
What about the Saudia B747s?

They are of the younger -100B model of '80s-build, an "afterthought" of the 747-100 if you like.  Wink

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 12):
What about the Saudia B747s?

Don't forget that SV B747-100s are -100B which were all delivered in 1981/82, and followed some years later by a batch of B747-368.
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:34 am

If you read this, I think that they are referring to our birds.

Sleeping at Kano clearly nor recommended.


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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 11):
Type: B.747-287B
Serial: 21189/274
Engines: JT9D-7J
1st Flight: 11-11-75
1st Delivery: 16-12-76 (AR)
Reg: 5N-NNN
Operator: Kabo Air
IATA code: N2
Status: Stored
Last update: 20-Jan-2006

LVZXV, slightly off-topic but speaking of old 747s, I believe that, although this ship was originally built for AR (-87), it was never taken up (i.e., not delivered to AR). I believe that after changing hands several times, it became VS' first ship. On the other hand, AR got its first 742s in 1978, as I recall. Is this your understanding as well?

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:45 am

In terms of a major commercial airline KLM still operates at least one 747-200.
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 18):
In terms of a major commercial airline KLM still operates at least one 747-200

I am very curious to know which a/c it is then
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 19):
I am very curious to know which a/c it is then

Same here  Wink
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:09 am

Quote:
In terms of a major commercial airline KLM still operates at least one 747-200

KLM doesn't fly any B742 anymore as their last B742 (PH-BUK) is on display at Aviodrome Lelystad
MP still operates B742F;
So I think you mean AF still flies B742 ?

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 18):
In terms of a major commercial airline KLM still operates at least one 747-200.

This was KLM's last 742:
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:17 am

Just looking at those old birds terrifies me. I would never get on one as I scared of old 747s. I would be paranoid that there would be an inflight break up. I don't know why I link the two but I do.
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:31 am

B18255 and JA8119 both broke up.

However the common factor seems to have been inadequate repairs in both cases.

see reports in www.aviation-safety.net
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:49 am

Does anyone know who has the oldest 747F? Kallitta perhaps?
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting N867BX (Reply 25):
Does anyone know who has the oldest 747F? Kallitta perhaps?

UPS would certainly be up there, their oldest active bird was #57 off the line in 1970. Though it did start life as a pax bird, it's a freighter now.
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:26 am


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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:28 am

Was thinking about Air force one

Anyone got the date of those 2 birds?
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 28):
Anyone got the date of those 2 birds?

Only one but:
Reg: 92-9000
Boeing 747-2G4B (VC-25A)
USAF United States Air Force
Delivery date: 20.12.1990

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 28):
Was thinking about Air force one

Anyone got the date of those 2 birds?

- It was right before Bill Clinton took office as president.

- When did Boeing quit making the 747-SPs and 747-SRs? Are there any still flying and what are the differences in the two models?  airplane 

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 30):
Are there any still flying

Yes, Saudi Arabian government still flies 2, and some Governments mostly in the middle-east fly them too (Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Bahrein...)

Syrian Arab still flies 2 as pax it seems, Iran Air flies one and Saudi Arabian flies 1 too.

Quite a rare bird as there are 13 still active around the globe!

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:59 am

How old is that LY 742 that was passenger but recently turned into freighter service?
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:36 pm

Does that mean there are no more 741s still in service? Too bad!
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:59 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 33):
Does that mean there are no more 741s still in service? Too bad!

Pax service, maybe not. There are 741 freighters out there, again, UPS for instance, they have some of the oldest active 741s out there right now.
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:00 pm

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 17):
LVZXV, slightly off-topic but speaking of old 747s, I believe that, although this ship was originally built for AR (-87), it was never taken up (i.e., not delivered to AR). I believe that after changing hands several times, it became VS' first ship. On the other hand, AR got its first 742s in 1978, as I recall. Is this your understanding as well?

This ship was in fact delivered new to its intended customer as LV-LZD on 16-12-76, flying her inaugural service on 06-01-77 (note how its 1st flight was over a year earlier--yes, there were complications with this aircraft). I nickname this aircraft El militar (LSD was her official "nick") as it flew for AR for almost the duration of the military government, returning to Boeing in either 1982 or 1983--can't remember when--as N354AS.


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As you rightly say, she went on to become VS's first 747 (G-VIRG Maiden Voyager) in 1984, serving the trendy British carrier until 2001 before joining Kabo Air of Nigeria. I would guess that little life remains in her by now.

It is a curious fact that neither AR's first 747 (LV-LZD) nor 727 (LV-MCD) stuck around for long, and that the second of each type were widely assumed to be the first (LV-MLO in the former case, LV-MIM in the latter). LV-LZD was returned to Boeing as part of a debt repayment of sorts if I recall correctly--undoubtedly stemming from these giants exceeding AR's (admittedly limitless) budget.

It might interest you to know that at this point neither one of AR's two surviving 742s (LV-MLR & LV-OEP) are flying. As though history were repeating itself, parent company Air Plus Comet "borrowed" the engines of these aircraft to supply the 742s said company "borrowed" from AR...

Must leave now as I have a plane to catch (SK518 LCY-ARN) for a nice weekend with my Swedish in-laws, back on Sunday evening.

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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:09 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 33):
Does that mean there are no more 741s still in service? Too bad!

There is still one 747-100 of Iran Air in service... It was in CGN last year and might come again this year...
 
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RE: Oldest 747 Still In Service?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 26):
Quoting N867BX (Reply 25):
Does anyone know who has the oldest 747F? Kallitta perhaps?

UPS would certainly be up there, their oldest active bird was #57 off the line in 1970. Though it did start life as a pax bird, it's a freighter now.



Quoting 777STL (Reply 34):
Quoting AA777223 (Reply 33):
Does that mean there are no more 741s still in service? Too bad!

Pax service, maybe not. There are 741 freighters out there, again, UPS for instance, they have some of the oldest active 741s out there right now.

Iranian Airforce does have several very old 741. Don't know whether they currently are all active.

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The oldest B747F in active service would, however, be this UPS B747-121SF, N681UP c/n 19661, line number 70. First flight 24.07.1970. Might be stored however.

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There's one older 741 that might still fly, although not regular. That's this General Electric test bed: N747GE c/n 19651 line number 25. First flight 03.03.1970.

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Quoting JFK69 (Reply 32):
How old is that LY 742 that was passenger but recently turned into freighter service?

I guess you mean 4X-AXQ? Which is c/n 20841 line number 233. First flight 28.02.1974

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