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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:47 am

I was wondering why VS does not fly to TLV.
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:54 am

They might eventually...
 
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:56 am

which a/c would suit for the route?
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:01 am

A343 at first if they did (although wonder if the conservative right would approve of the airline's brash and sexy manner).

Pros:

* Good yields year round.
* Good traffic year round.
* Five hours flight time - good for block times if you alternate with a long-sector?

Cons:

* Not v stable at the moment, so forecasting bit tough.
* Insurance costs high to fly there.
* LY and BA already v competitive on the route.
* Possible political ramifications of flying there and then applying for flights to Muslim countries - VS crew having stopped over in TLV may have issues going to the Kingdom etc.
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:09 am

Why should Virgin fly to TLV? El Al and British Airways already do so who needs another airline? Of course they would do well as they could get all the connecting traffic to the USA. However I am sure there are a lot of better cities they can fly to with higher yields.Also volatile situation due to politics.

[Edited 2006-07-06 20:10:48]
 
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:54 am

Is there enough traffic for VS to go to TLV? I have my doubts!

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
which a/c would suit for the route?

None that they have, they would want to use a twin engine plane like a 330, or a 767.
 
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:08 am

well, I think there is enough traffic between TLV and London:for instance, on wednsday, July 12th, LY operates 3 flights:


01 12JUL TLV 10:15 LHR 13:35 0 NO LY 315 NO FCY 744
02 12JUL TLV 11:45 STN 15:05 0 NO LY 213 NO CY 762
03 12JUL TLV 17:35 LHR 20:45 0 NO LY 317 NO CY 744

plus BA: 2 flights: one with a 777
and one with a 763

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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
* Possible political ramifications of flying there and then applying for flights to Muslim countries - VS crew having stopped over in TLV may have issues going to the Kingdom etc.

Why should this be a problem given that BA, LH, KL, AF etc all have extensive Middle East route networks yet they serve TLV as well?
 
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting Broocy (Reply 7):
Why should this be a problem given that BA, LH, KL, AF etc all have extensive Middle East route networks yet they serve TLV as well?

Simple explanation. All these airlines have been operating Middle East networks for years (well before VS even got off the ground, and even before its owner was born) and know the political ramifications, customs etc like the back of their hands. They have built up their networks through years of experience, and have gained respect. Whereas VS would be a newcomer and quite probably an unknown brand.
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 4):
Of course they would do well as they could get all the connecting traffic to the USA

A lot of which is high-yielding...It could be a good route for them.
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:14 am

Odds are Beirut and Cairo will come about long before Tel Aviv hits the radar for VS.
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:26 am

Guys, TLV-LHR is one of the busiest route from TLV. With currently 5 scheduled daily flights + god knows how many charters, if VS is looking for a profitable line, TLV is a very good candidate, Especially with its great connections to the US. I'm pretty sure they'd also want a bite from the very sweet cake called TLV-JFK/LAX route.
Politics? I agree with Broocy. If BA crew can stop here, why can't the VS? Just because BA has been flying for years? The Arab boycott on Israel doesn't exist anymore.
 
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:35 am

Thank god we don't fly to Tel Aviv and as for Beirut, no thanks. It's bad enough having an armed escort from airport to hotel in Lagos with the odd shot being fired into the air. Let's keep it glitz please!  Smile
 
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 11):
I'm pretty sure they'd also want a bite from the very sweet cake called TLV-JFK/LAX route

Funny, that market is wrapped and given to Israir, El Al, and Continental. The biggest chunk of connecting traffic is with Lufthansa, and Air France.
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Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
* Possible political ramifications of flying there and then applying for flights to Muslim countries - VS crew having stopped over in TLV may have issues going to the Kingdom etc.

I've never thought about that. How does it work? Do these countries make exceptions for flight crew or do flight crew that work TLV flights ever touch Middle Eastern flights?
 
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RE: Virgin:why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 12):
Thank god we don't fly to Tel Aviv and as for Beirut, no thanks.

There is an active thread right now about VS to Beirut: Virgin Atlantic To Beirut? (by BA Jul 4 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 12):
It's bad enough having an armed escort from airport to hotel in Lagos with the odd shot being fired into the air. Let's keep it glitz please!

No airline that serves Beirut has its flight crew have an armed escort from the airport to the hotel.

I have seen various European airline flight crew in various hotels in Beirut and there is no special security arrangement.

Same goes for Cairo and Amman in my experience. Saudi Arabia is a different matter ever since there have been several terrorist attacks striking various western targets.

Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 11):
The Arab boycott on Israel doesn't exist anymore.

It still does, it's just not enforced as much anymore.
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 12):
Thank god we don't fly to Tel Aviv and as for Beirut, no thanks. It's bad enough having an armed escort from airport to hotel in Lagos with the odd shot being fired into the air. Let's keep it glitz please!

Fortunately, the above statement holds no merit when the demand for yield called Virgin running to Lagos and Dubai..  wink 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 13):
Funny, that market is wrapped and given to Israir, El Al, and Continental. The biggest chunk of connecting traffic is with Lufthansa, and Air France.

And Delta now. Although I believe Swiss has more connecting traffic than Air France.

Quoting BA (Reply 15):
It still does, it's just not enforced as much anymore.

Plus countries which seek special trade agreements with the US (or in the case of Saudi Arabia entry into the WTO) can't participate in any boycott against Israel.
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting BA (Reply 15):
Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 11):
The Arab boycott on Israel doesn't exist anymore.

It still does, it's just not enforced as much anymore.

It's irrelevant - you just get two passports and keep one for Israel and one for the rest... Easy as
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17):
Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 13):
Funny, that market is wrapped and given to Israir, El Al, and Continental. The biggest chunk of connecting traffic is with Lufthansa, and Air France.

And Delta now. Although I believe Swiss has more connecting traffic than Air France.

Actually AF is not considered one of the strong players on the market.
Its LH, LX, BA and then AZ, AU and AF.
Af only have a 2x daily A320 on the route. the recently added the second flight.

Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 11):
Guys, TLV-LHR is one of the busiest route from TLV. With currently 5 scheduled daily flights

Actually LY only has only 2 x flight to LHR during the year (always on a widebody 767, 777 or 744). LY315/316 and LY317/318. They also have an additional flight once or twice a week LY313/314.
Now during the summer months they have an extra flight or two to STN LY217/218.
This year I heard they will add a third daily flight at night to LHR.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:17 pm

Mr. Branson does a lot of business in the Arab countries and I don't think he is looking for a headache. He seems to be focusing on that area. Don't they fly to Saudi Arabia or Dubai I think?

AF used to be a big player in the TLV connecting market but retreated. Olympic also was quite a big player in the 70s for connecting US traffic. AZ suddenly became a big player, also LX and the biggest LH.

SK is one European airline that stopped flying to TLV. Tarom of Romania used to be big in connecting traffic to New York but got out of the USA.

RJ yes Saudi Arabia because of the WTO cannot boycott but they do and they admitted it.

[Edited 2006-07-07 16:24:29]
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:23 pm

Quoting Semsem (Reply 20):
Don't they fly to Saudi Arabia or Dubai I think?

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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:05 pm

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 16):
Quoting StarGuy (Reply 12):
Thank god we don't fly to Tel Aviv and as for Beirut, no thanks. It's bad enough having an armed escort from airport to hotel in Lagos with the odd shot being fired into the air. Let's keep it glitz please!

Fortunately, the above statement holds no merit when the demand for yield called Virgin running to Lagos and Dubai..

You've obviously never been to Dubai. Dubai is lush, a fantastic destination for now and I believe for the future. I have been there on holiday and can't wait to be rostered a DXB trip. Lagos however, even if the flight does make the company loads of money, I fear for my life in Lagos!
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 12):
Thank god we don't fly to Tel Aviv and as for Beirut, no thanks. It's bad enough having an armed escort from airport to hotel in Lagos with the odd shot being fired into the air. Let's keep it glitz please!

You've obviousley not been to Beirut before- hardly a crime capital any more, and has become more famous for it's plush hotels, great beaches and beautiful scenery. 1.5 million tourists last year..
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:19 am

First of all, I haven't seen any foreign crew being escorted to their hotels in TLV. I often see foreign crew members hanging out alone in tel aviv with no fear.
Regarding the passport, most countries do not stamp crew passport. I don't know what's Israel policy, however I do know that due to the problem with the Arab countries, if you want, your passport isn't being stamped, and instead they attach a note to your passport which is removed when you leave the country. I'm not sure if it's for all nationalities, or only for citizens from specific countries ( I know for sure that there's an agreement with the BENELUX countries)
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 22):
You've obviously never been to Dubai. Dubai is lush, a fantastic destination for now and I believe for the future. I have been there on holiday and can't wait to be rostered a DXB trip.

Perhaps you need to re read what I wrote, I wrote and I will say it again the yield for Lagos and Dubai caused Virgin to go running into those markets. I know Dubai more than well I spent 4 holidays there over the past 3 years. Once at Al Maha, once at The Ritz Carlton, once at Bab al Shams, and once at Madinat(the best so far).
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:12 pm

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 25):
Perhaps you need to re read what I wrote, I wrote and I will say it again the yield for Lagos and Dubai caused Virgin to go running into those markets. I know Dubai more than well I spent 4 holidays there over the past 3 years. Once at Al Maha, once at The Ritz Carlton, once at Bab al Shams, and once at Madinat(the best so far).

Then why did you mention Dubai? I was talking about horrid places and you dropped Dubai into the equation. Dubai is glitz and is investing billions in developing a tourist mecca. Beirut isn't exactly somewhere that pops into my head when it comes to top 100 cities that I would like and feel safe at the thought of going to. Never mind. Not about to start having an argument with you about it. I have to go where my airline rosters me at the end of the day. Thank god for vswap  

[Edited 2006-07-09 14:14:45]
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 26):
Then why did you mention Dubai?

Re-read back in the posting you will see that someone illuded to the fact that Lagos was not such a hot place to visit.. In turn Virgin has decided to serve Lagos and some. In addition I believe it was yourself who stated

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 26):
Beirut isn't exactly somewhere that pops into my head when it comes to top 100 cities that I would like and feel safe at the thought of going to.

Beirut as Dubai suffers from a most American stigma of being Middle-Eastern and there for very unattractive. You will need to refer to the use of Air France 77W equipment to Beirut to see that there is an enormous demand for the market. In the past and again now in the present, Beirut is and always will be the "Paris of the Middle East". People who havent been to Beirut or Dubai dont know anything about the markets. Beirut is a wonderful place to visit, many historical sights, and a wonderful seashore.

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 12):
Thank god we don't fly to Tel Aviv and as for Beirut, no thanks. It's bad enough having an armed escort from airport to hotel in Lagos with the odd shot being fired into the air. Let's keep it glitz please!

Virgin Atlantic seems more than content serving the Arab destinations for one reason or another. A Flight Attendants point of view is useless when it comes to the bottom line, or British Pound if one may. At the end of the day it is about what route will make the airline money. Sir Branson is not done adding the routes to the Middle East, as has widely been rumored Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar could very well be on the way soon.
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 27):
A Flight Attendants point of view is useless when it comes to the bottom line, or British Pound if one may. At the end of the day it is about what route will make the airline money. Sir Branson is not done adding the routes to the Middle East, as has widely been rumored Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar could very well be on the way soon.

I am well aware of the fact that "a flight attendants members point of view is useless when it comes to the bottom line" I'm not stupid enough to think otherwise. That's why in my previous post, I mentioned that I would have to go where my airline rosters me. I'm sure Beirut is great in your opinion, but like I said originally "No thanks". It was more the the thought of being blown up in Tel Aviv that bothered me. Just my perception/opinion.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 28):
It was more the the thought of being blown up in Tel Aviv that bothered me

These days you are much safer in Tel Aviv than London...
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 28):
It was more the the thought of being blown up in Tel Aviv that bothered me. Just my perception/opinion.

One can easily be blown up in London, New York, Bali, or Paris. It can happen anywhere. If everyone stays away from places because of their percieved fears they will do nothing in life. Time and time again it is so very easy for people to laugh at or make fun of Beirut and Tel Aviv because of the terrorist activities. However, as can be seen even London and New York are hotbeds of terrorist activity.

The demand is there for Virgin Atlantic to fly to Tel Aviv. The question is if there is room on LHR-TLV with El Al and British Airways more than established in the market. Perhaps Virgin Atlantic will look at the Tel Aviv route, just as it has done with Dubai. Only time will tell. As far as being afraid of a layover city, one can always clammer up into ones hotel room. But then again that takes out what is left of the joy of being a Flight Attendant.
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 29):
These days you are much safer in Tel Aviv than London...

Hardly. Besides, I don't live in London, so even if London were as prone to being torn apart by Palestinian bombs as Tel Aviv, I still wouldn't have anything to worry about.

[Edited 2006-07-09 17:52:36]
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 30):
The demand is there for Virgin Atlantic to fly to Tel Aviv. The question is if there is room on LHR-TLV with El Al and British Airways more than established in the market. Perhaps Virgin Atlantic will look at the Tel Aviv route, just as it has done with Dubai. Only time will tell. As far as being afraid of a layover city, one can always clammer up into ones hotel room. But then again that takes out what is left of the joy of being a Flight Attendant.

I totally understand where you are coming from, but althought they haven't been made public, some pretty awful things have happened to some of our cabin crew crew while down route, even in hotels.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:36 am

Bunch of points to make:

VS is completly missing the boat on TLV. London and the UK in general is the #1 tourist and business destination out of TLV with as mentioned before, 5 daily widebodies, which are full, all the time. So full in fact that LHR-TLV tickets are about as much as LHR-JFK and with the shorter flight time, it's a higher yield for the route.

Flight crews can easily request their passport to not be stamped and that is perfectly acceptable and is practicaly the case with all forighn flight crews flying into TLV.

TLV is as safe as any major city in the west is. There is always potential for trouble, just like anywhere else, but ask any flight crew that does lay over, most of the trouble is brought on by excess consumption of alcohol... Nothing else.

VS will be able to fill up whatever aircraft type they choose to put on that route, if they make it connection-friendly enough to the US. LH has been making a killing on the Israel-US routes and are filling up daily 744's and A346's. Quite rediculous to see those planes there on a 4 hour flight, but it makes sense if you can sell all the seats and make money. BA service over time has dropped a bit and although there is pretty good loyalty, a flashy new VS Airbus will be much more attractive than an old BA 767 with no personal IFE's.
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting WJ (Reply 33):
BA service over time has dropped a bit and although there is pretty good loyalty, a flashy new VS Airbus will be much more attractive than an old BA 767 with no personal IFE's.

BA 763s that fly to TLV have PTVs
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:17 pm

Quoting WJ (Reply 33):
be much more attractive than an old BA 767 with no personal IFE's.

Both 763 and 777 that BA use on the route have IFE's, but I would like to see a VS Airbus in TLV as well.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting Amirs (Reply 35):
Quoting WJ (Reply 33):
be much more attractive than an old BA 767 with no personal IFE's.

Both 763 and 777 that BA use on the route have IFE's, but I would like to see a VS Airbus in TLV as well.

Must have been a recent upgrade. I flew on them out of TLV 2-3 years ago and the 763 I was on did not have them. Good to know... I was avoiding them last couple times because of that. All things being equal, I need to be entertained...
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:07 am

Why is the poster so eager to see Virgin in TLV? They have a bad reputation. The seats are very narrow with little legroom and everyone I know who flew them (in economy) are unimpressed.
In the beginning when they started out they had an excellent reputation.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:35 am

What happened with the lone VS A320/A321 that flew ex LGW-ATH?
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 37):
Why is the poster so eager to see Virgin in TLV? They have a bad reputation. The seats are very narrow with little legroom and everyone I know who flew them (in economy) are unimpressed.
In the beginning when they started out they had an excellent reputation.

I don't know where everyone gets the impression that VS seating is any tighter than the competition. It has the same pitch and width as British Airways.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:34 am

I fly LY quite regularly and have been on VS quite a number of times as well and totally agree that LY's coach seats are far superior to VS. No comparison.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting Shlomoz (Reply 40):
I fly LY quite regularly and have been on VS quite a number of times as well and totally agree that LY's coach seats are far superior to VS. No comparison.

Which a/c do you compare?
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 41):
Which a/c do you compare?

VS 744 and 343 to LY 744 and 777
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:20 am

El Al seating must be the best in the world then for you to give VS seating such a damning criticism.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:02 am

BA seating is also terrible at 31" legroom. I like BA except for their seating. LY seating is 32" legroom and it makes a huge difference.

I had read that VS seating used to be 29" legroom and I heard a lot of complaints.

Personally I do not care a hoot about VS not going to TLV. We have enough service to London and even Arkia charters to top it off. I would much prefer to see more Asian airlines and Air India.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 38):
What happened with the lone VS A320/A321 that flew ex LGW-ATH?

They got rid of it in 2003 I think when they decided to stop their Athens services.
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 4):
Of course they would do well as they could get all the connecting traffic to the USA.

Is there really that much connecting traffic from TLV to the USA via Europe? I would think that the large majority of pax would fly nonstop on LY, CO, and now DL, unless there is some huge pricing disparity between going nonstop and making a connection.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:52 pm

Cory they connect due to overflow and sometimes lower fares.
 
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting Semsem (Reply 44):
LY seating is 32" legroom and it makes a huge difference.

El Al 777s are more comfortable than their 744s
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RE: Virgin: Why No Flights To TLV?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 46):
Is there really that much connecting traffic from TLV to the USA via Europe? I would think that the large majority of pax would fly nonstop on LY, CO, and now DL, unless there is some huge pricing disparity between going nonstop and making a connection.

Yes. I remember reading somewhere that El Al and Continental alone (this was before Delta) carry some fairly low percentage of the market considering the number of flights they have.

As mentioned above, Lufthansa fills 747s and A346s on TLV-FRA timed for connections to the US. During the summer you will find connecting passengers NYC-XXX European City-TLV on every airline that flies it.
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