usnseallt82
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Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:05 pm

According to an article by CNN, a copilot on a Southwest Airlines flight to Arizona was arrested after authorities believed he was drunk and trying to operate the aircraft...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/09/pilot.arrested/index.html

Some guys just don't seem to get it. Pathetic.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Thread starter):
Some guys just don't seem to get it. Pathetic.

If found guilty, end of his Part 121 career and millions of $$$. Doomed to fly the cancelled checks at night Part 91 in an old MU-2.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:16 pm

Geez! Some pilots just don't get it do they?

Would they fly the plane drunk if their own family was on board? It's the same thing!

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:16 pm

You guys are 100% right with 10% of the facts. He blew a 0.00%. Don't have time to post the proof, look it up yourself.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:20 pm

Flightopsguy,

I couldnt have said it better. LOL. Some people need a smack on the butt or a pair of hand cuffs, and they will learn. Welcome to my RU list. My friend who is a Captain for AA never drinks due to this and being a christain.

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting Rsbj (Reply 3):
You guys are 100% right with 10% of the facts. He blew a 0.00%. Don't have time to post the proof, look it up yourself.

So, do I take your esteemed opinion with such a pleasantly crafted response, or do I listen, for now, to what the FBI has told CNN?  crazy 

I think I'll choose the latter. And for your information, if he had alcohol on his breath, then chances are he didn't blow a 0.00%. Nice try though.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:22 pm

If it's a first time offense, would WN look to counselling etc to help the pilot, if he or she did have alcohol in their system?
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 5):
So, do I take your esteemed opinion with such a pleasantly crafted response, or do I listen, for now, to what the FBI has told CNN?

What exactly did the FBI say? The CNN article linked said that the TSA followed the pilot after smelling alcohol on him, not necessarily on his breath. Hell, if I opened a bottle of whiskey the night before, had a drink or two, and spilled half the bottle on myself, I might smell of alcohol too, even though I'm not necessarily drunk the next day.

Granted, it certainly looks suspicious, and probably warrants a breathalyzer test if a commercial pilot smells of alcohol somewhere on his or her person. But if there are media reports of the pilot smelling strongly of alcohol on his breath, or blowing over on a breathalyzer, I'd be interested in seeing them.
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting Broocy (Reply 6):
If it's a first time offense, would WN look to counselling etc to help the pilot, if he or she did have alcohol in their system?

It's my understanding that it is a zero tolerance offence and that instant termination would follow if a test found that he indeed had alcohol. IMO, this doesn't really need to be in the spotlight of the media outside of the fact that Southwest has always been projected as a careless airline looking for the quick buck. I know for a fact that Southwest currently employs some of the best pilots in the industry. Like any other airline there will be the few who do not fit the job but no amount of preparedness can prevent that. I would think that again due to the zero tolerance and the poor media spotlight that this pilot will more than likely be terminated from WN or asked to step down. However, the idea that they will be flying Cessna's around Alaska for the rest of the career is highly unlikely.

Let the facts come in before making assumptions. And the idea that he had alcohol in his system is a fact but not factual to the actual offence.

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting MyOthrCarsA777 (Reply 11):
What exactly did the FBI say?

Did you read the article?

Quote:
Carl Fulton, 41, of Fort Worth, Texas, faces federal charges of operating a plane under the influence of alcohol, said Special Agent Pat Kiernan, an FBI spokesman in Salt Lake City.

So, the FBI is the one who gave the initial information out. Then they did this...

Quote:
FBI agents and officials from the Federal Aviation Administration joined the questioning, and Fulton was given two breath tests before his arrest, Kiernan said.

They gave him two breath tests before his arrest. If it were something as simple as the smell of alcohol on his jacket from the night before, then it probably wouldn't have ended the way it did.

This all came from the FBI spokesman. Next time read the article.  yes 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 13):
They gave him two breath tests before his arrest. If it were something as simple as the smell of alcohol on his jacket from the night before, then it probably wouldn't have ended the way it did.

This all came from the FBI spokesman. Next time read the article.

I read the article - if he blew over on his breathalyzer, why wouldn't the FBI have said as much? You'd think that sort of thing would be newsworthy.

I don't know exactly how impaired laws work with respect to aviation, but I know that, here in Texas, you can be arrested (but not necessarily convicted) if found operating a motor vehicle while smelling of alcohol, even if you DON'T blow over on a breath test.
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:47 pm

Having just completed my second flight with SWest (the first being this Friday evening from BWI - BUF) I must say it is a GREAT airline !

As far as this bum is concerned , Southwest or for that mattter ANY airline can try their damnest to instill a good work ethic but its near impossible for anyone airline to police their crew at every moment - and thats where good sense has to prevail amongst the crew.

Some comments made on this post make it seem as if SWest is solely responsible for the actions of the pilot. I don't think this bum of a pilot would have acted any different had he been employed by any other airline. I am sure other airlines have had similiar issues with crew before .....
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:15 pm

Just stay away from "..west Airlines".. Northwest, America West, etc. They must have all the drinkers.  Wink
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:23 pm

what would happen to a pilot who had been drinking ,but notified his airline that he was in know condition to fly? would he be terminated
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2):
Would they fly the plane drunk if their own family was on board? It's the same thing!

Well, they are flying themselves.
I think that some people have problems/addictions. Have you ever been an alcoholic? Drinking doesn't leave one in the best state for decision making - it is a drug.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:40 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 5):
So, do I take your esteemed opinion with such a pleasantly crafted response, or do I listen, for now, to what the FBI has told CNN?

Well, I, like many others, do not know the full story of this, but I will point to a different situation as my response. Remember that incident with an US pilot in LAX (?), I believe. Everybody here quickly got on that poor pilots ass, when in reality, he was not considered intoxicated (even by FAA standards), and was not terminated. Was everybody wrong then? Yes. Is everybody wrong right now? Maybe.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 4):
My friend who is a Captain for AA never drinks due to this and being a christain.

There is nothing wrong with drinking. However, there is something wrong when you drink irresponsibly.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 13):
They gave him two breath tests before his arrest. If it were something as simple as the smell of alcohol on his jacket from the night before, then it probably wouldn't have ended the way it did.

Again, going back to the US pilot. He passed the test, yet they still took him off the flight.

What I am trying to say is to not judge too quickly.

Quoting AAden (Reply 23):
what would happen to a pilot who had been drinking ,but notified his airline that he was in know condition to fly? would he be terminated

No, no, no. That isn't how you are suppose to say it. You don't want to say, "I am too drunk to fly," you want to say, "I am too sick to fly."  wink 

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:45 pm

Another article...

"Kiernan says Fulton's blood alcohol level exceeded the federal limit of .04, though the agency declined to give us the precise number..."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=349947
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:28 pm

Although there are some who are saying this shows Southwest is bad, hasn't this happened elsewhere? Unfortunately there are people with this behavior all over.

I thought there was an AA pilot at Manchester in the UK arrested a few months ago for being intoxicated while preparing for his flight.

I remember an incident involving an Aloha pilot 2 years ago at OAK.

I'm sure a search will turn up a similiar incident for nearly every airline.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 26):
Fulton's blood alcohol level exceeded the federal limit of .04, though the agency declined to give us the precise number..."

He was assigned to be the 1st Officer on a WN flight from SLC-PHX. It is just wonderful    when such incidents make your local TV markets 2200 news. He is in the Salt Lake County jail tonight, hope he sleeps well and sobers up!   Just over a week ago a Utah Highway Patrol Trooper, Lt. Fred Swain was nailed down in Draper (south metro SLC) when he crashed his unmarked Crown Vic' into a median at 2:00am after a night of bar hopping! He has plead not guilty in 3rd District Superior Court, but has resigned from the UHP in disgrace. Lt Swain now has 1st Officer Fulton to keep him company. 

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Thread starter):
Some guys just don't seem to get it. Pathetic.

What about the concept of innocent till proven guilty????? Pathetic isn't it!!!
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:12 pm

Why does it seem to happen to WN most often?  Confused

On a side note, I think that a pilot being under the influence of alcohol is "a bit better" than other substances such as drugs (illegal or legal) because the former is easier to detect....But anything that impairs one's sound judgement when he/she is in the cockpit is bad regardless of the source. Don't know if my point came across or did I just contradict myself?
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:24 pm

A sad and idiotic (on the pilots part) end to what could have been a very promising flying career at WN and overall.
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:38 pm

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 28):
Why does it seem to happen to WN most often? Confused

What seems to happen at WN most often?
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:51 pm

Why do aircrew risk ruining their careers, just for a drink ?, how would he like it, if the pilot of a plane he was on (as a passenger) was drunk ?

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 4):
My friend who is a Captain for AA never drinks due to this and being a christain.

My god-father was a F/E, he did the same thing, no drinking unless he was on leave.

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:00 pm

My, my, my...what a compassionate group of people on A.Net.....

It's amazing how quick people are quick to hang someone before all the facts are in.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:19 pm

Only vodka is odorless after drinking it. Every other type of booze you will be drinking gives off a strong odor. Obviously this pilot had alcohol in his system after the test. The limit is 0 for pilots. He had been drinking. He blew it.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:14 pm

Slightly off topic for a second...

Quoting WSOY (Reply 31):
"Ethanol, also known as ethyl alcohol or grain alcohol, is a flammable, tasteless, colorless, mildly toxic chemical compound with a distinctive odor," (Wikipedia)

Wikipedia is great for a lot of things, but quoting it as a definitive source is probably not a good idea since I could go change it right now to say something else and I would not have to be right. Just FYI.... I saw your second post and that is a much better source.


Back on topic:

Imagine that you went to school and one of your fellow students was caught for being drunk. Would you rather that everyone at your school carries a rap for being drunkards, or would you like that single person to carry the full weight of the responsibility? Or if you were at work and one of your 10,000 coworkers got tagged for a DUI? Lets not hang WN for this pilots poor decision.

I am not entirely sure that we should be hanging the pilot either. There are decisions in my life that I would love to have back. I am really sure that he is watching his life go up in smoke and is regretting his lack of foresight. I don't quite feel sorry for him, but if he doesn't have a previous record, which he couldn't if he was a pilot, then this was a very bad mistake and one that will haunt him the rest of his life. I cannot defend what he has done, but lets see how he handles this. If he owns up to it and pays his dues, it will be a large step in the right direction.

And leave WN out of this. It isn't the company's fault for the actions of one individual.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 33):
My, my, my...what a compassionate group of people on A.Net.....

It's amazing how quick people are quick to hang someone before all the facts are in.

Yeah, the only things missing from this mob are torches, pitchforks, and a rope...  Yeah sure
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 42):
Yeah, the only things missing from this mob are torches, pitchforks, and a rope...

The tools of the trade online are a little different: smilies, quotes, and off-topic-but-darning news articles. We got all those here.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:52 pm




Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 42):
Yeah, the only things missing from this mob are torches, pitchforks, and a rope...

How lucky we are, though, to have several forum members who were actually there the entire time, and who apparently witnessed the entire ordeal.

These must be some of the same dozen or so members who were jumpseating on 1248....  sarcastic 




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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Goingboeing (Reply 30):
What seems to happen at WN most often?

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't the first time a WN pilot makes the news for high BAC.
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 39):
If he smelled like it and was sober, that's even more retarded on his part.

I don't quite understand, what if he was at an airport bar having a glass of mineral water and someone beside him spills a glass of whiskey onto him?

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:56 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2):
Geez! Some pilots just don't get it do they?

Would they fly the plane drunk if their own family was on board? It's the same thing!

I would say the same thing about people who get behind the wheel and do the same thing, but this seems to be far more common place than trying to fly an airplane...

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 19):
Just stay away from "..west Airlines".. Northwest, America West, etc. They must have all the drinkers. Wink

Actually, you'll probably find this with all airlines - from what I hear, Airline Pilots (like many professions) has a high rate of alchoholism.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting Flightopsguy (Reply 1):
If found guilty, end of his Part 121 career and millions of $$$. Doomed to fly the cancelled checks at night Part 91 in an old MU-2.

First, he would be doomed to flying cancelled checks at night under part 135. Second, with electronic checking these days the cancelled bank check jobs are drying up too.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 35):
I'm the only one who's considering this limit rather generous?

No, because it is not. The federal limit for pilots is .02 set by the FAA, though many airlines set their own more restrictive limit.

Again, not so quick to judge. Everyone loves these stories except pilots. Why? Because it is so scandelous and everyone loves to hear of a mistake by those overpaid, lazy, good for nothing pilots, oh except for when it's their flight and something is going wrong and then it's "man, I sure hope he knows what he's doing."

Don't count your chickens before their hatched. There have been so many of these where the facts were all wrong but there is never a retraction and apology by the "authorities." Of course, there have been a few where they were guilty as sin and for that I say good luck when you get out of jail. You don't deserve to be a member of an honorable profession.

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 44):
How lucky we are, though, to have several forum members who were actually there the entire time, and who apparently witnessed the entire ordeal.

These must be some of the same dozen or so members who were jumpseating on 1248....

Yes, and in both cases, it appears that folks are making conclusions and judgements based on media reports. GIGO.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:48 am

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 49):
what if he was at an airport bar having a glass of mineral water and someone beside him spills a glass of whiskey onto him?

At ATL once, I was asked by a Delta pilot if I'd go into a bar and check the score of an NFL game. Asked him why he couldn't, and he said he was forbidden from entering a bar in uniform. I've never seen flight crew members in a bar in uniform..and hope I never do...

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 46):
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't the first time a WN pilot makes the news for high BAC.

I do believe it IS the first time a Southwest pilot makes the news. I have seen reports for Northwest and America West, but this is a first for Southwest.
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 55):
Yes, and in both cases, it appears that folks are making conclusions and judgements based on media reports. GIGO.

Awww...c'mon OPNL, lighten up. The media is soooooo good at what they do they are never wrong with their facts or sources, at all, ever. So we all should rush out and skip the trial based on a media report and go striaght to sentencing.  sarcastic 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 34):
Only vodka is odorless after drinking it

Vodka is not odourless. Found out the painfull way. It smells of spirit.

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:12 am

Isn't it odd that TSA seems to notice this stuff? Not the hotel van drivers, not the rest of the flight crew in the van, not the airport ops/gate agents, not even the passengers boarding the plane as the pilot is standing there....always the TSA....hmmm.

Could these be the TSA with a chip on their shoulder not liking the attitude of a pilot?

I am serious. Pilot was a jerk....TSA will get him!

It's just odd that the last few occurrances in the US seem to be the TSA and NO ONE else noticing this odor.
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting N702ML (Reply 60):
It's just odd that the last few occurrances in the US seem to be the TSA and NO ONE else noticing this odor.

Too bad the FBI and FAA officials were doing the breath tests.  irked 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting N702ML (Reply 60):
Isn't it odd that TSA seems to notice this stuff? Not the hotel van drivers, not the rest of the flight crew in the van, not the airport ops/gate agents, not even the passengers boarding the plane as the pilot is standing there....always the TSA....hmmm.

No, that's not always the case, just in the cases you're hearing about in the media. I'm aware of cases - at a few different carriers - where they (alledgedly drunk pilots) were "intercepted" by fellow employees (F/As, gate agents, pilots).
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:17 am

In the mid 80s in SF, I was working the out bound SFO-MIA that left at around 10:00 pm. It was an A300. The pilot and co-pilot both came down to the departure gate. I had to unlock the jetway door so they could get down to ops. I watched as they walked down the jet way that had been set for the previous 727 and had not been brought up to the higher level for the in bound Airbus. They both stubbled down the jetway wall. I called the station manger. The pilots were obvioulsy taken off the flight. The station manager convinced the crew from the inbound flight to take the flight back that same night and it left on time. I was told they went to re-hab and were back on the job. No arrest, no jail.
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting 727forever (Reply 33):
No, because it is not. The federal limit for pilots is .02 set by the FAA, though many airlines set their own more restrictive limit.

Actually according to FAR 91.17, the federal limit is 0.04. Some airlines will lower it to 0.02.

We also should not forget about "8 hours from bottle to throttle."
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:42 am

Question? Why would anyone with all that education, flying time, and the massive amount of money invested into flying for a airline, would do something so dumb....??????? I just don't get it.

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting MyOthrCarsA777 (Reply 10):
I read the article - if he blew over on his breathalyzer, why wouldn't the FBI have said as much?

Wouldn't you assume people are clever enough to deduce that if they actually ARRESTED him after administering the test, that blowing over the legal limit is kind of a given?
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 48):
Wouldn't you assume people are clever enough to deduce that if they actually ARRESTED him after administering the test, that blowing over the legal limit is kind of a given?

I think logic left this thread as soon as I started it. How dare you try to reintroduce it.  Big grin
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12):
Just stay away from "..west Airlines".. Northwest, America West, etc. They must have all the drinkers.

Nice generalization. If that was an attempt at humor, it was a weak one.

But you'd be surprised how many pilots consume more than their share of adult beverages, whilst off duty of course.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 4):
My friend who is a Captain for AA never drinks due to this and being a christain.

You can drink and be a Christian, let's get that straight right up front.  Wink
 
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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 31):
I don't quite understand, what if he was at an airport bar having a glass of mineral water and someone beside him spills a glass of whiskey onto him?

Dude , did you not read the article/numerous posts from users? It was proven his alchohol level was above the limit...

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RE: Southwest Pilot Arrested

Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting FrndlySkys777 (Reply 46):
We also should not forget about "8 hours from bottle to throttle."

Some folks drink so heavily that 8 hours is nowhere near enough time to sober up.

It's not like the old days when a pilot would take some drags off a bottle of pure oxygen and go fly the plane. Used to be a common practice years ago, especially with cargo pilots.

Pilots have been getting caught a lot more for alcohol since the TSA has taken over the screening. AirTran had one get caught @ LAS, was arrested, fired, and the charges were later dropped. He was planning on taking FL to court to get his job back.

What's interesting in regards to the infamous NW pilot's case, was that alcoholism is considered a disability under the Americans With Disabilities Act, meaning he could get be rehired at NW. He served his federal prison term and allowed to return to the airline, first as a ground trainer, and a few years later he was back as a pilot. He was one of people Bill Clinton pardoned prior to leaving office.

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