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Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:41 am

I've got a bottle holder in my Saab, never thought there'd be one in a 747 cockpit!! Or is it for something else and just the flight crew being smart?(!)


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Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:57 am

Just about all flight decks have some sort of cup holder. Where did you think they kept their drinks?
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 1):
Where did you think they kept their drinks?

Never thought about it, if I was up there I'd whistling up one of the good looking stewardesses to bring me a large gin and tonic!!!
 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 1):
Just about all flight decks have some sort of cup holder. Where did you think they kept their drinks?

Right beside the plastic Jesus on the dashboard.  Wink
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 2):
Never thought about it, if I was up there I'd whistling up one of the good looking stewardesses to bring me a large gin and tonic!!!

 Confused You didn't know they put cup holders in airplanes?? What? Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane?? Or do they just put it down on the center console and hope to God it doesn't spill and short out the controls?
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
What? Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane??

When have you ever had scalding hot coffee on an airplane?

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 3):
Right beside the plastic Jesus on the dashboard.

It wouldn't beat the plastic dancing elvis I have been saving for the day  Wink

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 2):
I'd whistling up one of the good looking stewardesses to bring me a large gin and tonic!!!

Two problems here, number 1 having a G&T will get you fired and put in prison and number two is whistling at a stewardess will probably result in a slap - captain or not captain (just kidding  Smile Smile )

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 5):
When have you ever had scalding hot coffee on an airplane?

Depends on the bev maker I guess, or how long we leave the bev pots on the side before starting the service (again I'm joking)  Smile

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
You didn't know they put cup holders in airplanes?? What? Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane?? Or do they just put it down on the center console and hope to God it doesn't spill and short out the controls?

well they seem to think its ok to eat their lunch from it!  Wink
 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 5):
When have you ever had scalding hot coffee on an airplane?

Come to think of it....


Never.  Smile
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:51 am

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:53 am

I thought the larger aircraft has tables that fold out with little cup holders, therefore there was no need for plastic cup holders! I also thought that there was a neat little side compartment to place plastic bottles.

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:54 am

Being won a design award for the cup holder in the 777...

Coffee making on airplanes is a problem. You cant get the water temp high enough to brew good coffee. You ever try to boil water at 8000 feet? The water boils long before you get a high enough temp to get the coffee to brew. Thats why the coffee is never hot.

When I was in the Navy, you had to be careful if you had really hot coffee in a thermos... It would boil at altitude (we used to fly at 9000' cabin altitude all the time.) You would open the thermos and it would boil as the pressure in the thermos dropped. Painful if you opened it in your lap.... just another of those things that the pax expect the engineers to solve. "You mean you cant just change physics??"  

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 11):
Coffee making on airplanes is a problem. You cant get the water temp high enough to brew good coffee. You ever try to boil water at 8000 feet? The water boils long before you get a high enough temp to get the coffee to brew. Thats why the coffee is never hot.

i thought coffee wasnt meant to be mad with boiling water, but tea was?

i dont drink either so i wouldnt know, thats just what i was told
 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:00 am

That will be one side benefit of the 6000' cabin altitude in the 787, better and hotter coffee.
 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:13 am

Juging by the position of the bottle holder it looks like it's for one of the observer seats. And its for bottles not cups if you look at its design (a cup just wouldn't fit). Not to be arsy or anything  Wink

Just saying  Smile

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 10):
I thought the larger aircraft has tables that fold out with little cup holders, therefore there was no need for plastic cup holders! I also thought that there was a neat little side compartment to place plastic bottles.

That's Airbus. I am not trying to bash Boeing here, but Airbus I guess thought a little more about the pilots' comfort (the mentioned table, although this mainly has something to do with the yoke/sidestick isue, the table comes out of the main instrument panel on the Airbus, the smaller side, compartment, seat covers, and so on). I know for sure that the A320, 330 and 340 have the tables and the compartments, never seen them on the older airbus though.
The 747 I think have those side compartments, too, but I don't think they have the tables. At least never seen it...


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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:41 am

If you look closely at the hinges on the cup holder, you can tell that it's a "factory" install versus an ad hoc add-on. Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing a rearview mirror...


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Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 10):
I thought the larger aircraft has tables that fold out with little cup holders, therefore there was no need for plastic cup holders! I also thought that there was a neat little side compartment to place plastic bottles.

I'll pre-empt Mel aka HAWK21 on this one.

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
You didn't know they put cup holders in airplanes?? What? Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane?? Or do they just put it down on the center console and hope to God it doesn't spill and short out the controls?

If they spilled it and burnt themselves would they sue GateGourmet or the airline???

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
You didn't know they put cup holders in airplanes?? What? Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane?? Or do they just put it down on the center console and hope to God it doesn't spill and short out the controls?

I've heard from a captain that back in the 80's he once spilt Coke in the central console of a B737-200 while in flight between GIG-BSB. The spilt was caused due to unexpected turbulence (the infamous clear sky turbulence). The result of the mess was some fly-bies the control tower of BSB in order to check if the landing gears were down and locked as the poor 737-200 had all its warning lights and situational lights on, because of the short circuit caused by a single glass of Coke!

Also, the flight had a delay of a couple of hours in order to clean the mess and to change some modules of the central console.

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 2):
Never thought about it, if I was up there I'd whistling up one of the good looking stewardesses to bring me a large gin and tonic!!!

You'd be piloting a B744 for crying out loud! Could you please settle for a small G&T eh?! eh ?! At least till they get the chalks under the beast?! eh?! eh ?!
 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:06 pm

Some flight stations are even equipped with ashtrays.
 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Thread starter):
Or is it for something else and just the flight crew being smart?(!)

IINM, that's where the air pump nozzle for the inflatable autopilot is supposed to be. MX probably pulled it for servicing during the A-check noted in the photo comment.  sarcastic  wink 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 15):
That's Airbus. I am not trying to bash Boeing here, but Airbus I guess thought a little more about the pilots' comfort (the mentioned table, although this mainly has something to do with the yoke/sidestick isue, the table comes out of the main instrument panel on the Airbus, the smaller side, compartment, seat covers, and so on). I know for sure that the A320, 330 and 340 have the tables and the compartments, never seen them on the older airbus though.
The 747 I think have those side compartments, too, but I don't think they have the tables. At least never seen it...

I'm a big Boeing fan but this is one area where Airbus has it all over Boeing. I've sat in the FO and captain's chairs of the A330 and it's got a fantastic tray table that pulls out from the dashboard in front of you. Due to the sidesticks, there's extra space there for a tray.

Not to mention all the extra room with no control column in the way! I'm 6'7" and were I to be a professional pilot, I would probably want to fly the 'Bus due to the roomy flght deck.
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:19 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 21):
Some flight stations are even equipped with ashtrays.

I remember boarding a FR 732 some years ago at DUB and remember seeing the captain having a fag!!!
 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:22 pm

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 1):
Just about all flight decks have some sort of cup holder.

It's a bottle holder, I can understand there being cup holders!!
 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:51 pm

We don't have a bottle holder in our 744s.....and to be honest it looks a little naff.
 
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:09 pm

Just going on what I can see through the windshield while standing in the jetway waiting to board, I am reasonably certain that the cupholder in the RJ85 is the same model found in my Dodge (DaimlerChrysler) minivan. Which makes sense as those cupholders are designed to take a LOT of abuse.

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:28 pm

Oh, my!!!
Finally the mistery of aviation is uncovered!

All my life I thought a monkey was trained to hold the bottles and coffee mugs in the cabin!


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Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 2):
bring me a large gin and tonic!!!

Right idea, but wrong airline. This is a KLM aircraft. The size is compatible with a crock of Bols Jonge Geneva. ( I seem to remember a scandal of sorts more than 20 years ago with an Alitalia cockpit crew drinking while driving; there are always rumors abounding about a merger with KLM and Alitalia. So I guess the machinery is compatible...)
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 3):
Right beside the plastic Jesus on the dashboard.

I do not see the fuzzy dice though... Big grin
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 25):
It's a bottle holder, I can understand there being cup holders!!

Not necessarily for a bottle, looks to be the correct size for a thermos, perhaps. I don't think Boeing designed it to hold a bottle of an alcoholic beverage.
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:24 am

Thats the Typical Cup holder in the Cockpit for the Observer seat.

Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 11):
Being won a design award for the cup holder in the 777...

Which Award.

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 17):
I'll pre-empt Mel aka HAWK21 on this one.

Any Pics
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Quoting 474218 (Reply 21):
Some flight stations are even equipped with ashtrays.

Although Theoritically they cannot be used  Smile

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 28):
All my life I thought a monkey was trained to hold the bottles and coffee mugs in the cabin

The Monkey has Enough flying to do.Why add the Burden.  Smile

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Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 6):
Two problems here, number 1 having a G&T will get you fired and put in prison and number two is whistling at a stewardess will probably result in a slap - captain or not captain (just kidding

It'd be worth it!!! At the helm of a 744, LG&T and a stewardess on each leg!! Happy Days.............!!!
 
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane?? Or do they just put it down on the center console and hope to God it doesn't spill and short out the controls?

In 1970, a pre-delivery Pan Am 747-100 was way out over the Pacific on a longhaul shakedown flight and they spilled coffee on the centre console and killed the INS. The aircraft was temporarily "lost" as a result, basically they put the compass on E and eventually came into range of land-based nav beacons. It seems hard to believe but I'm pretty sure the 747 wasn't fitted with cockpit cupholders before the incident.
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:36 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 34):
It seems hard to believe but I'm pretty sure the 747 wasn't fitted with cockpit cupholders before the incident.

You'll be surprised Where all Pilots can keep the Cups even if the holder is Present  Smile
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:44 am

"Some flight stations are even equipped with ashtrays."


It's their simple and reliable backup-FMS: "When the coffee leaves the cup, you're flying upside down. When the cigar's finished, it's time to land".
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 21):
Some flight stations are even equipped with ashtrays.

they should all have ashtrays! like toilets and various other locations through the galley!

if someone does decide to spark up they have to have somwhere safe to put it out!  Wink
 
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 32):
Quoting 474218 (Reply 21):Some flight stations are even equipped with ashtrays.
Although Theoritically they cannot be used  

Are you kidding? It is not because flights are non-smoking for the pax that they are non-smoking in the cockpit. There have been many threads about that here. I recall a pic of an IB 346 cockpit where a cigarette pack is visible. I don't think this cig pack was here just as a decoration to be honest!   

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Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:53 am

I would hope that a $150 million piece of equipment would have a friggin' cup holder.
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:20 am

This picture has the same 'bottle holder' but, it also has something else in between (map holder?):

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I think in all seriousness, it would be the perfect fit for a small fire extinguisher or oxygen bottle. In an emergency though it might be hard to get it 'ready' and out.

UA, NW, Eva Air, Lufthansa and Virgin Atlantic examples seem to have a phone down there, at the end of the console.
 
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:10 am

VS have the cockpit door camera monitor on the rear of the centre pedestal with the handset adjacent to it
 
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting ETFokker50 (Reply 40):
it also has something else in between (map holder?):

That's known as the "can", it's where the aircraft's logbook is kept.
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:50 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 38):
I don't think this cig pack was here just as a decoration to be honest

It was probably kept there for Inspiration  biggrin 
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:16 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane?? Or do they just put it down on the center console and hope to God it doesn't spill and short out the controls?

The 1964 movie "Fate is the Hunter" with Glenn Ford is centered around this very issue. A very hokey looking airliner (DC-6 with jets hanging on the horizontal stabilizers) crashes and all aboard are lost except one FA. Ends up with our hero recreating the fatal flight and drags the surviving FA (stew in those days) along to help with every detail. Turns out she gave the crew coffee and one of them placed the cup on the console just before the loss of one engine which jarred the cup and shorted the console. That created a false alarm that the good engine was also out and they shut that down too and down they went. Almost happens to Ford as well until he remembers he only idled down the original "bad" engine to receate the events. Guess you couldn't do that in these days of simulators.

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