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EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:12 am

Air Midwest and RegionsAir have submitted bids to the DOT to provide subsidized Essential Air Service at Lancaster, PA.

Although normal EAS contracts are for two-year periods, this bid is for the one-year period ending September 30, 2007. LNS is eligible to receive subsidized EAS as a result of provisions in Vision 100 which expire then; under current law, LNS will become ineligible to receive subsidized EAS at that date.

Air Midwest is the incumbent carrier, providing 3x daily Beech 1900D flights to Pittsburgh operated as US Airways Express, for an annual subsidy of $1,611,707.

Air Midwest has submitted two options. Option 1 would continue the status quo, with 3x daily LNS-PIT roundtrips, for an annual subsidy of $1,377,257, a decrease of over $230,000 from their current rate. Option 2 would provide 2x daily LNS-PIT roundtrips for an annual subsidy of $1,033,447. All flights would operate as US Airways Express using the 19-seat Beech 1900D aircraft.

RegionsAir has submitted four options, and has continued their recent practice of pretending to have codeshare agreements that only exist in their minds. While this bid only proposes to operate as Continental Connection, which is at least a codeshare relationship they already have, as opposed to their recent bid for BKW/BLF service to CLT operated as US Airways Express, or their successful (if you can call it that) bid for PKB/MGW/CKB service to CVG operated as Delta Connection, several of their proposals here offer service to EWR as Continental Connection, a market they do not have a codeshare agreement for. It is only at the bottom of page 4 in tiny letters that they note, "This proposal is subject to the approval of Continental Airlines for use of its code at EWR and CLE." Won't matter, though, as they want too much money. Anyway, their Option 1 proposes 2x daily LNS-EWR roundtrips and 1x daily LNS-CLE roundtrip, for an annual subsidy of $1,978,311. Option 2 proposes 2x daily LNS-CLE roundtrips and 1x daily LNS-EWR roundtrip, for an annual subsidy of $2,165,681. Option 3 proposes 2x daily LNS-CLE roundtrips, for an annual subsidy of $1,436,393. Option 4 proposes 3x daily LNS-CLE roundtrips, for an annual subsidy of $2,352,784. All flights would use a Saab 340A aircraft that they don't currently have in their fleet. RegionsAir also claims several times that its proposals "will introduce the community to cabin-class service", which is yet another lie, as LNS was served by cabin-class aircraft for many years in the past.

In reality, the only two options to be seriously considered will be Air Midwest's Option 1, the prohibitive favorite, and RegionsAir's Option 3.
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:21 am

Maybe someone can fill me in but I remember hearing a time back that EWR has a restriction on turboprop aircraft. That's the reason that Continental Express only operates ERJ aircraft from EWR and is also the reason that Continental Connection operates from ALB and BOS...

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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:10 am

Why is LNS getting EAS serivce? I guess those 40 miles are to far to drive to MDT? Then 80 miles to one of the top 10 airports in the US (PHL). What a waste. It should be stopped now.
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting NLINK (Reply 2):
Why is LNS getting EAS serivce? I guess those 40 miles are to far to drive to MDT? Then 80 miles to one of the top 10 airports in the US (PHL). What a waste. It should be stopped now.

Must you complain about EAS every chance you get? We all know by now how much you dislike it. This thread is about who gets the EAS contract, not whether or not LNS deserves one.
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting NLINK (Reply 2):
Why is LNS getting EAS serivce? I guess those 40 miles are to far to drive to MDT? Then 80 miles to one of the top 10 airports in the US (PHL). What a waste. It should be stopped now.

Nothing wrong with asking if LNS should get taxpayer subsidized flights. The area must have a senior member of Congress to be able to pull off this waste of money...
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 4):
Nothing wrong with asking if LNS should get taxpayer subsidized flights. The area must have a senior member of Congress to be able to pull off this waste of money...

Not to rain on your little parade, but the rules which determine if a given community is eligible for subsidized EAS are objective and firm. The DOT can not and does not make exceptions, regardless of what anyone in Congress would like.  Yeah sure
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:26 am

I was under the impression that EAS contracts went to any airport that had airline service prior to deregulation. The concern was that once airline service became deregulated, many small communities would lose air service. Following that train of thought, I don't think that it has anything to do with what politicians are where.
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 6):
I was under the impression that EAS contracts went to any airport that had airline service prior to deregulation.

That's initially how it was, but now there are two additional conditions. First, to receive subsidized EAS, an airport must be at least 70 driving miles from the nearest medium or large hub. Second, the EAS subsidy may not be greater than $200 per passenger unless the airport is at least 210 driving miles from the nearest medium or large hub.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 6):
Following that train of thought, I don't think that it has anything to do with what politicians are where.

That's absolutely correct.
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 3):
Must you complain about EAS every chance you get? We all know by now how much you dislike it. This thread is about who gets the EAS contract, not whether or not LNS deserves one.

Well said. Let LNS try to maintain service!!
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:35 am

If a silly place like Lancaster PA can qualify for EAS, why cant we get it here in Bridgeport, CT?

Then again, we've had the Mesa B1900 service (USEx to PHL) in the past. If thats all it's gonna be, uh, forget i brought it all up!
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:33 pm

More Info:
http://www.airportbusiness.com/artic.../article.jsp?id=7199&siteSection=4

Looks like Lancaster folk are already planning for INTERNATIONAL tourists!
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:15 pm

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 9):
If a silly place like Lancaster PA can qualify for EAS, why cant we get it here in Bridgeport, CT?

What part of "First, to receive subsidized EAS, an airport must be at least 70 driving miles from the nearest medium or large hub." didn't you understand?

Quoting Vega (Reply 10):
Looks like Lancaster folk are already planning for INTERNATIONAL tourists!

You know, RegionsAir really sucks for getting people's hopes up like that with their make-believe proposals.

(I know there's an Amish joke in here somewhere, but I just can't put my finger on it.)
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 9):
If a silly place like Lancaster PA can qualify for EAS, why cant we get it here in Bridgeport, CT?

What part of "First, to receive subsidized EAS, an airport must be at least 70 driving miles from the nearest medium or large hub." didn't you understand?

According to Yahoo Maps, Harrisburg is 38.9 miles away. While MDT is not anyone's hub, it does have a significant amount of service. I am surprised they wouldnt consider it close enough so as not to warrant EAS funds.
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:34 am

P.S. A330323X:

You're a sassy one, aren't you?

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
What part of "First, to receive subsidized EAS, an airport must be at least 70 driving miles from the nearest medium or large hub." didn't you understand?
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 12):
According to Yahoo Maps, Harrisburg is 38.9 miles away. While MDT is not anyone's hub, it does have a significant amount of service. I am surprised they wouldnt consider it close enough so as not to warrant EAS funds.

Again, it's completely objective; DOT can't subjectively consider anything about MDT or anywhere else.

The term I used "medium or large hub" has a specific definition by the DOT.

A large hub has at least 1% of total domestic enplanements. A medium hub has between .25% and 1% of total domestic enplanements. A small hub has between .05% and .25% of total domestic enplanements. A nonhub has less than .05% of total domestic enplanements.

MDT is a small hub, with .08% of total domestic enplanements in 2000.

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 13):
P.S. A330323X:

You're a sassy one, aren't you?

RegionsAir pisses me off.  Wink
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 14):
RegionsAir pisses me off.

What about the earlier BFD/JHW proceedings wherein Air Midwest refused to cease service in favor of Colgan? And got away with stonewalling the DOT? Initially I decided it was typical of sleazy old Mesa; later I decided it was pretty clever.
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 14):
Again, it's completely objective; DOT can't subjectively consider anything about MDT or anywhere else.

The term I used "medium or large hub" has a specific definition by the DOT.

A large hub has at least 1% of total domestic enplanements. A medium hub has between .25% and 1% of total domestic enplanements. A small hub has between .05% and .25% of total domestic enplanements. A nonhub has less than .05% of total domestic enplanements.

MDT is a small hub, with .08% of total domestic enplanements in 2000.

Thank you for sharing that, I didn't know the exact specifications. Where did you find the percentages for MDT?

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 9):
If a silly place like Lancaster PA can qualify for EAS, why cant we get it here in Bridgeport, CT?

Because according to Google Earth, Bridgeport is 52 driving miles from LGA
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:29 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 15):
What about the earlier BFD/JHW proceedings wherein Air Midwest refused to cease service in favor of Colgan? And got away with stonewalling the DOT? Initially I decided it was typical of sleazy old Mesa; later I decided it was pretty clever.

It's also not that rare, unfortunately. Great Lakes is doing it to Big Sky at PIR right now. See this docket.

And there's a big difference between trying to game the subsidy system and completely messing up a community's air service because you're not prepared to fulfill your promises.
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:47 am

Congress needs a big overhaul of this program.
 
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RE: EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid

Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 17):
Great Lakes is doing it to Big Sky at PIR right now.

Interesting reading. Thanks for the tip. I wonder if Great Lakes and United struck some kind of deal to maintain the service.