BowflexBrennan
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Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:45 am

I'm interested in pursuing a career as a pilot. I have already taken a familiarization flight at my local airport, and although that was worth while, I want to experience the real thing. I was wondering if it is possible if an airline would allow me to ride along in the jumpseat on a flight. I reallize that this may not be possible in the post nine-eleven era we live in, but I think it would be a good experience, and would let me know if this is the route I want to take. Even if they don't let me ride along, do you think I might be able to talk to the pilots and see the flight deck before, during, or after the flight?
 
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:50 am

This has been discussed quite a few times. Long story short, it doesn't happen here in the US. (Some countries allow it apparently.)

If you want to stop by the flight deck after the flight, that is normally a good time for the pilots to chat and show the equipment. Before a flight they are quite busy and normally can't chat much...and the FA's typically want everyone to get into their seats quickly to ensure an on time push back.

Do a search on this subject and you will see a bunch of threads with some really great info.
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:55 am

You might want to do a search for "jumpseat" and you'll get numerous hits. There was one lengthy thread on the subject just within the last couple of weeks or so...
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:58 am

I think most airlines follow the rules by the country they fly in.
All European airlines flyring to the US has a strict "locked cock-pit door" policy. But going inside Europe or eastbound is not a problem.
At SK Pilots regularly have friends or family members riding jump seat.
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:23 am

I was fortunate enough to be able to do it thru my airline.. it was a ferry flight, so they let me j/s
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:37 am

I got to go up in the cockpit for about 20 mins enroute SFO-Milan on an Alitalia flt...it's quite the experience, we were in a little cluster of aircraft heading to europe and the pilots were more than happy to have some company in the middle of the night with not a lot to do. I got to do this just a few months before 9/11... so it was probably my first and last time doing that.
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:39 am

Also not allowed in the UK, unless on airline work.
 
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:46 am

I got to do it once on an Aer Lingus A330 JFK-DUB. I was up there for like 2 hours, right up till the approach into DUB. What an amazing experience. However, this was back in like 2000. I got to ride in the jumpseat last summer as a B6 intern, but thats another story.
 
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:54 am

It depends on the country and also on the airline. SkyWest will not allow none crew members to fly jumseat, whereas United will allow you to ride jumpseat if you are known to the pilot and have a pilots liscense. The best thing for you would be to find a friend in the training department at one of your home town airlines and get him to take you into the sims. People do that all the time. The good thing about that is you can actually fly the aircraft and not just watch. And the sims are as real as it can get.
 
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:04 am

I don't think it's going to happen these days with most airlines (while in-flight). On the other hand, as others have been mentioning here, I was fortunate to ride in the deck of a SwissAir Airbus A330, for over an hour, from ZRH to JFK, back in August of 2001. How ironic. This was my first and last visit into a cockpit of a commercial jet during flight (as a passenger) until I become an Airline Pilot.
I actually was wondering myself about CO's policy. Does CO allow visits into the cockpit after the flight?
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:25 am

Before push back and after landing and parked at the gate its ok.
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting BowflexBrennan (Thread starter):
I'm interested in pursuing a career as a pilot. I have already taken a familiarization flight at my local airport, and although that was worth while, I want to experience the real thing.

So you took a familiarization flight, went up in an airplane with an instructor, probably got to handle the controls a bit, and you don't consider that to be "the real thing"? I understand wanting to see an airline flying operation in action, but why insult the hard-working CFIs and part 91 pilots out there by implying that what they do isn't the "real thing"?
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:38 am

UA will not let you ride the jumpseat up front. There is this little thing called CASS that all air carriers pilots in the US will be loaded into. It is a computer database that will not even let you get close to the flightdeck to sit in if you are not a member of CASS. Our company just got CASS approved. You have to have more than just a pilots license. You can ask to visit the flightdeck before and after the flight just not during. Remembering everything changed on that fateful day in 2001.



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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:49 am

Don't get me wrong here, I didn't mean it as an insult. In fact, instructors are the most important people in the aviation world, they teach tomorrows pilots how to fly. Now that I look back at my statement, I see how you (or anybody else) found it offensive. I should have worded it differently, because that is not what I meant. I apolagize if I offended anyone.
 
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:22 pm

Here in Italy it's not that difficult to see the cockpit, especially in domestic flights (I had some experiences with AZ, IG)...
Just try to ask the pilots and sometimes they let you stay in the cockpit during the flight, and if you're lucky you can join them during the landing too.
And in Spain it was the same, mostly in domestic flights only (Spanair, Iberia).
In iternational flights is more difficult.
In the flight westbound to the US, the cockpit door is loocked and there is no possibility to go inside during the flight.
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:43 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 12):
UA will not let you ride the jumpseat up front. There is this little thing called CASS that all air carriers pilots in the US will be loaded into. It is a computer database that will not even let you get close to the flightdeck to sit in if you are not a member of CASS. Our company just got CASS approved. You have to have more than just a pilots license. You can ask to visit the flightdeck before and after the flight just not during. Remembering everything changed on that fateful day in 2001.

Also remember that part 121 Dispatchers are getting into CASS as well. I myself am in the CASS program, and I actually had to pay money to get into CASS. As such, I have ridden up front on UA several times, usually great crews and they take care of you.

I have had some problems on CASS though. I tried using CASS on a Skywest flight recently, and although CASS approved me, the captain still turned me down saying they don't allow other airlines dispatchers up front (Which was later proven false by several sources), and I had a similar problem on American Eagle recently.


The thing thats sad is with these new policies since 9-11, we are giving the terrorists exactly what they want, which was to make our lives more difficult here. Why do we even give into these guys? I don't get it.

One more thing. These threads are getting more annoying than A vs B, NW DC9, and Wright Amendment threads. Why do they keep popping up?
 
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:08 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 12):
Remembering everything changed on that fateful day in 2001.

Actually it was not Sept 11th that changed the rules. In the US at least the regulations date back to the mid 1960's.
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:33 pm

Ya but I was still able as a kid to go up front during flight on TW and PA. And this was in the 1970's and 1980's. So no it wasn't really the regulations from the 1960's.



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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:58 pm

I was able to visit the flight deck in 2004, on a S2 flight from Goa to Delhi. I was up in the jumpseat from about halfway through the flight all the way to pulling into the gate at Delhi. It was a great experience!

In Feb, flying DXB-SIN-BNE, I visited the flight deck while on the ground in SIN. As there is a crew change in SIN, I saw the new pilots come aboard, and asked if I could have a look. They were really nice and explained everything, and invited me back upon arrival in Brisbane.

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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:41 pm

Like everyone has said , depends on the country and airline. Here in South Africa it is still possible. Jumpseated a 727 from Livingstone , Zambia to JNB on CE. Great ride , from departure to arrival back in December 2004. Still possible now on CE though , if you know some people  Smile

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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting T7ILS13LatJFK (Reply 9):
I actually was wondering myself about CO's policy. Does CO allow visits into the cockpit after the flight?

Yes. After I flew from EWR to LAX, I asked the pilot if I can take a picture of the flight deck. He said sure. Then asked if I wanted to sit and he will take a picture of me. It isnt that great of quality, he even retook it, and was very friendly. I did this last February too.

 
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting Zbrox (Reply 3):
All European airlines flyring to the US has a strict "locked cock-pit door" policy.



Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 7):
I got to do it once on an Aer Lingus A330 JFK-DUB. I was up there for like 2 hours, right up till the approach into DUB. What an amazing experience. However, this was back in like 2000.

I flew EI July 10(2 days ago) EI105 DUB-JFK and a man who was sitting behind me spent at least 10 minutes in the cockpit.
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:43 am

As always it is a country by country decision as to what their rules are.



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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
You might want to do a search for "jumpseat" and you'll get numerous hits. There was one lengthy thread on the subject just within the last couple of weeks or so...

He's been a member a little over a day.  no 


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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting BowflexBrennan (Thread starter):
want to experience the real thing. I was wondering if it is possible if an airline would allow me to ride along in the jumpseat on a flight.

No! Get back to your seat RIGHT Now and buckle up or the next flight you're going to take will be nonstop to GAO (look it up!)

Sorry! Couldnt resist  Smile
 
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:36 am

I was flying from London Heathrow to Detroit and wanted to see inside the flight deck, i did not ask before departure and knew i had no chance in flight ( although i did not check ) But after we arrived at Detroit Metro i asked a member of the crew if i could see the flight deck, They went and asked the captain and he said ok. I then went and saw the flight deck and had a short chat with the 2 pilots, After reading what i have read on here i'm now shocked they let me, I'm gonna guess it was because its a British pilot. Big grin
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting BowflexBrennan (Thread starter):
I was wondering if it is possible if an airline would allow me to ride along in the jumpseat on a flight.



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 24):
No! Get back to your seat RIGHT Now and buckle up or the next flight you're going to take will be nonstop to GAO (look it up!)

Sorry! Couldnt resist

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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:57 am

PIA pilots usually allow passengers into the cockpit, not only just captain's relatives and friends, even if don't know anyone from the airline and you ask the crew to request the captain, they'll usually let you in.

My father served PIA for 28 years (I'm 25), and I've been to the cockpit dozens of times... it was no big deal for me and my brother when we were young... but I haven't been to the cockpit many times since 2001 when I bought my first digital camera (not because of "safety issues", but because the cockpit was already filled with other some other captain or some captain's family).

I flew Etihad Airways recently and none of the captains (4 sectors: LHE-AUH, AUH-MAN, LHR-KHI) let me into the cockpit, I think it's Etihad's policy not to let any passengers into the cockpit.

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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:56 pm

It would epend on Company policy.In Flight Visit might be tough.Much easier post flight.
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Captainjon (Reply 20):
Yes. After I flew from EWR to LAX, I asked the pilot if I can take a picture of the flight deck. He said sure. Then asked if I wanted to sit and he will take a picture of me. It isnt that great of quality, he even retook it, and was very friendly. I did this last February too.

Oh wow. I'm so glad that somebody has finally confirmed this BEFORE my flight. I appreciate it CaptainJon.
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting BowflexBrennan (Reply 26):
Funny, I like your sense of humour; Guantanamo, Cuba



Funny thing is - I'm not sure if GAO is actually the airport that the US mililary uses or if its its the civilian airport on the Cuban side!

But back to the topic, I've heard that QF allows pax to visit the F/D at the Captain's discretion. If you every happen to fly QF, check with the flight crew at the boarding gate if its practical.

I had a former colleague who got to experience the Cat III autoland at SYD from the jumpseat on a B744. That was because the captain was really interested in said colleague's Palm handheld unit and invited him to visit the flight deck. Of course it helped IMMENSELY that he

(a) was in business class and

(b) is a Scotsman with a delightful gift of gab Big grin
 
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RE: Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
Quoting FutureFO (Reply 12):
Remembering everything changed on that fateful day in 2001.

Actually it was not Sept 11th that changed the rules. In the US at least the regulations date back to the mid 1960's.

Really? This is news to me... I was in the jumpseat of a BA 777 half way across the North Atlantic and only left my seat once we were at the gate at JFK. This was December 1996.

At the time I was a flight mechanic with another carrier enroute back to MSP from CPT via LHR and JFK. I gave my business card to the purser and said I would like to pop into the cockpit to say hello to the front end crew. About 2 hours after takeoff I was advised I could go up.

The crew were very cool and the Capt even botched the landing showing me cool features while we were on short final. lol He apologised several times about the landing. The F/O thought it was hilarious as it was his leg and the Capt took the airplane from him while on Final.

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