malexander131
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US Plans To Tokyo Back In 98/99?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:45 am

I was just wondering if anyone here knows anything about US having plans to start service from PHL to NRT back in the late 90's. I vaugley remember reading something about it on a press release way back but I know it didn't come to fruitation....
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RE: US Plans To Tokyo Back In 98/99?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:48 am

I do believe they wanted to do that. Just after the new PIT terminal opened, they applied for PIT-NRT. The reason why that did not happen, they could not secure the necessary 767 aircraft to do those routes...
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RE: US Plans To Tokyo Back In 98/99?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:24 am

Also not to mention slots at NRT.
 
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RE: US Plans To Tokyo Back In 98/99?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:30 am

In addition to that the A330 a/c are 333. What US needs is 332 a/c which are due in 2008. PHX/PHL-NRT would be the better option right now.

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RE: US Plans To Tokyo Back In 98/99?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 1):
I do believe they wanted to do that. Just after the new PIT terminal opened, they applied for PIT-NRT. The reason why that did not happen, they could not secure the necessary 767 aircraft to do those routes...

True, very true. There was an option on the A330 deliveries to convert one or more of them to A340s for possible transpacific services. I don't know what happened to those options.
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RE: US Plans To Tokyo Back In 98/99?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting Malexander131 (Thread starter):
I was just wondering if anyone here knows anything about US having plans to start service from PHL to NRT back in the late 90's. I vaugley remember reading something about it on a press release way back but I know it didn't come to fruitation....

US applied for Japan service during the 1998 U.S.-Japan Combination Service Proceeding, when there was a large increase in available services between the two countries. US applied for 7 weekly frequencies to operate daily PHL-NRT service with its own metal, and they also applied for 28 weekly codeshare frequencies to support the service. They had reached agreements to place their US* code on AA for CLT-DFW-NRT and PHL-DFW-KIX and on UA for CLT-LAX-NRT and PIT-SFO-NRT.

US then withdrew their application after ALPA told them they would not grant US relief to place their code on the other airlines' flights.  Yeah sure

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 1):
Just after the new PIT terminal opened, they applied for PIT-NRT.

No, they didn't. It was talked about, but never happened.
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RE: US Plans To Tokyo Back In 98/99?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:06 pm

At the same time I believe TWA put in a request to serve STL-NRT trying to make it work with their B767s or 25 year old B747 classics, I don't think anyone took them seriously. This is when AA and CO were ready to bust out more Japan route authority. There were already MD-11s and B777s flying around.

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RE: US Plans To Tokyo Back In 98/99?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:13 pm

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 6):
At the same time I believe TWA put in a request to serve STL-NRT trying to make it work with their B767s or 25 year old B747 classics. I don't think anybody took them seriously.

I don't know why, NW was flying MSP-KIX and MSP-NRT with 747 classics up until a few years ago, and NW was flying LAX-NRT with a 742 just a few months ago.

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RE: US Plans To Tokyo Back In 98/99?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:20 pm

I do recall US Air and TWA requesting Japan route authority with B767s which probably lacked performance and range for STL-NRT, not to mention the ETOPS flying was much more restricted back then. Also, the most of the TWA B747 birds may have been the 100s with old engines that were manufactured in the early 70's, certainly wouldn't make STL-NRT, be lucky to make HNL-NRT. Those NW B742s were mounted with better engines. They were from the 80s.

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RE: US Plans To Tokyo Back In 98/99?

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:31 pm

SESGDL...What makes people blurt out statements like this? The many 747-200 aircraft NWA has been flying right up to today are late model a/c with high gross weight P&W engines. The aircraft are perfectly suited to handle ANY trans-pacific flight with ease. One has to understand that it is economics that has killed off these aircraft and not performance. The difference in the performance of a late model NWA 747-200 vs a 1970's vintage 747-100 with low gross weight JT9D engines is day and night. If fuel were still $1.00/Gal, there would still be many L-1011, DC-10 and early 747's still flying. Please research before making these sort of comments.