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Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:58 am

It seemed that the other thread on Logan got sidetracked elsewhere, so here is my SPECIFIC questions:

With the current problems in Boston,

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/12/bigdigdeath.ap/index.html

1) Are airlines being more lenient in regards to passenger's missed flights?
2) How is this affecting airline ops both in regards to getting crews in and out of the airport as well as staffing for ticket counters, maintenance etc?

It seems that there are some limited alternate routes from downtown, I presume they are being overwhelmed.

Please keep this aviation-related.

Thanks
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:38 am

People need to realize that this is not paralyzing the city. I just flew up into BOS this afternoon and at first was going to take the Blue line to meet my cousin, but he insisted on coming in. We had no problem taking the Sumner tunnel.

The Ted Williams Tunnel has only been open to non-commercial vehicles for maybe 5 or even 6 years now (I am not 100% on that). Before it was opened, people had ways of getting there, and they are doing that now. Add in the fact that there are several types of public transporation to the airport and there really is no HUGE crisis on the airport.
 
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:40 am

I disagree. When the Ted Williams tunnel was open to all traffic and the new underground 93 was opened, there became no way to directly access the Callahan Tunnel from 93 Northbound without getting off near Gov't Center and negotiating crowded and narrow surface streets to get to the tunnel. And with the Ted being the problem that it is, the only real way for a passenger to get to the airport by vehicle is the Callahan Tunnel, since there are no other streets that cross the harbor. That not only affects the passengers coming into the city from the south, but also the people coming in on I90 from the west. Right now, the only real way I can see from the west is to get off at Exit 18 in Allston, and take Storrow Drive to 93 south. Given the traffic jams on this road, this isn't a picnic either. Factor in the fact that vehicular traffic in the Callahan Tunnel is going to spike, with the increase in air traffic at BOS its more than before the Ted days. This is not going to be fun at all. As an airline employee who non revs into the city often to see family, I am going to be using PVD as much as possible with this situation, and I am also worried because my parents are out west and I have to get them back somehow.
 
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan

Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting BWI757 (Thread starter):
1) Are airlines being more lenient in regards to passenger's missed flights?

To my knowledge, no, airlines are not being more lenient with passengers missing their flights. However, you should call each individual airline if you'd like to know their specific policy regarding BOS.

Other than being a minor inconvenience, the TWT closure has returned the highways and surface roads in our Metropolitan area to the exact state they were in during most of the Big Dig. People here are used to traffic chaos, and we know how to get to the airport.

Quoting BWI757 (Thread starter):
2)How is this affecting airline ops both in regards to getting crews in and out of the airport as well as staffing for ticket counters, maintenance etc?

The closure of the TWT, while tragic, is not affecting airline operations out of Logan at all. Everything is normal, blatantly normal. Remember, airlines run normally in the face of adverse conditions all of the time.
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:07 am

Thank you for your responses. Based on the media hype, it seemed that the city was having major traffic issues.

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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:44 am

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 4):
Based on the media hype

That's what they're best at, isn't it?

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 4):
it seemed that the city was having major traffic issues

We've always had major traffic issues in Boston. While the Big Dig and subsequent extensions of the Mass Pike (I-90) and the opening of the TWT has alleviated these problems somewhat, there is always going to be traffic congestion in and around Boston. If you're a Bostonian, you just live with it, or take the T.
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:53 am

Well, there are major differences now with the closure of the I-90 connector than while the construction was going on. One can no longer come from the south or west and get on 93 North to access the Callahan tunnel. One needs to get off and traverse city streets around Govt Center to get to the Callahan.
Hopefully, the closed segments will be opened soon once the engineers and the politicians have finished their inspections.
 
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:34 am

"There is no timetable for the tunnel to reopen."

thats the latest from WBZ/CBS4 also citing that more problems have arisin in the eastside lanes and westbound lanes now. Anyone going to logan, leave EARLY because it will be like hell trying to be re-routed through the callahan, although i don't know if the situation has subsided in the last few days.

http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_194103052.html
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:53 am

Spoke to someone who works at the PVD airport and she says today they started getting several calls from passengers who re-booked or booked out of PVD to avoid the mess in BOS - lots of 'first-timers' coming down to PVD from central MA and the immediate south BOS suburbs.

It sure diesn't hurt that just today, the MBTA announced that the commuter rail line from BOS to downtown Providence is being renamed the "Providence/Stoughton" line and they are upping service to 15 weekday roundtrip trains and for the first time in decades, new weekend service (9 Saturday and 7 Sunday roundtrips). This will make getting to/from PVD and MA a lot easier for many. It's a simple bus from the airport to the train station in downton and off to points north...

[Edited 2006-07-13 22:56:07]

[Edited 2006-07-13 22:57:24]
 
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:40 am

what a mess anyway......*cough* massport *cough*
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
I disagree. When the Ted Williams tunnel was open to all traffic and the new underground 93 was opened, there became no way to directly access the Callahan Tunnel from 93 Northbound without getting off near Gov't Center and negotiating crowded and narrow surface streets to get to the tunnel. And with the Ted being the problem that it is, the only real way for a passenger to get to the airport by vehicle is the Callahan Tunnel, since there are no other streets that cross the harbor. That not only affects the passengers coming into the city from the south, but also the people coming in on I90 from the west. Right now, the only real way I can see from the west is to get off at Exit 18 in Allston, and take Storrow Drive to 93 south. Given the traffic jams on this road, this isn't a picnic either. Factor in the fact that vehicular traffic in the Callahan Tunnel is going to spike, with the increase in air traffic at BOS its more than before the Ted days. This is not going to be fun at all. As an airline employee who non revs into the city often to see family, I am going to be using PVD as much as possible with this situation, and I am also worried because my parents are out west and I have to get them back somehow.

Look at it this way, BOS is just about (about 300,000 passengers shy) to reach the highest period of air traffic, which occured back in 2000. During 2000, the Big Dig was still about 4 years away from being completed and I believe the TWT was only open to commercial vehicles. People did just fine getting to Logan then and they will do it now. As I said, I flew up from DFW yesterday and instead of having my cousin drive in to get me, I said I would take the blue line to downtown top meet him but he insisted on coming in and he had no problem. My sister just flew out of BOS to LAX today and she had no problem getting in.

As it has been mentioned in this post, Boston is used to traffic chaos, we will deal with it and move on.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 8):
This will make getting to/from PVD and MA a lot easier for many. It's a simple bus from the airport to the train station in downton and off to points north...

For those living south of Boston, as in Canton, Norwood, Walpole, Norfolk, Sharon, etc. it will be good. It will be a decent length ride, but for those who cannot get a ride to or from PVD, it will be helpful.
 
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:39 am

Trouble with PVD is that the RJs have taken over the place, except of US Air and WN!
 
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 11):
Trouble with PVD is that the RJs have taken over the place, except of US Air and WN!

true for AA and DL, but UA is still running 757s to ORD and NW remains all Airbus (all 320's at the end of Aug.). CO is RJ everywhere, so you can't really count them.

PVD still has about 60 mainline departures a day in total (about 50% of all departures including Cape Air).
 
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RE: Impact Of BOS Big Dig Tunnel Closure On Logan Ops

Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:03 am

The 'crisis' is partly overblown, because what else is the media supposed to do but 'overblow?'

In the end, this started with a single panel falling from a single part of a single tunnel. Since then, the 'crisis' has been one of mis-trust and dis-trust and the 'single panel' has mushroomed into hundreds of similarly fragile sections. Compound that with drivers who will pass through these tunnels either blazingly fast (just to get to the other side, like the proverbial chicken) or agonizingly slow, all the while scouring the ceiling for loose tiles. In other words, looking anywhere but on the road ahead. So, the 'way people drive' will, for a period, be impacted by this.

I'm very happy that the NTSB is involved. Officials in Massachusetts play CYA, and the absolute WRONG thing to do is leave any part of this in their hands. The federal goverment handed Boston and Massachusetts SIXTEEN BILLION DOLLARS and they screwed themselves with it. How'd you like to be the first guy to try and convince Washington that they should send more $$$ to Massachusetts for roads and bridges??? 'We've seen this movie before!' they'll say.

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