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Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:02 am

Greetings Everyone!

My parents kept a logbook of flights that I took starting with my first one when I was 3 months old (Thanks Mom and Dad). In 1969 we took a United Airlines flight from SFO to Modesto and the airplane type is just written as 737 (nearly empty). Does anybody if it could have been a 100 series? Loads were ridiculous as my father once took a 737 on the same route in which he was the only passenger! No wonder they only kept a large jet on that route for a short time. Thanks in advance for anyone who can help.

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:13 am

If I recall correctly, I don't think UAL had 737-100 models at all.

Anybody else?
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:14 am

As far as I know, UA never operated the 737-100. They operated the 200, 300 and 500 series.
 
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting LPLAspotter (Thread starter):
Does anybody if it could have been a 100 series?

They only made 25 or 30 of the -100 series and I thought they all went to LH. I think it more likely that you were on a 737-200 Basic, as I think UA was the launch customer for those...
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:19 am

You flew on a 732 basic as OPNLguy said. They were the launch customer and had them till 99 I believe. Someone please correct me if Im wrong. The 732 was a good workhorse for UA until they got Airbus a/c.

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:05 pm

A 737 to Modesto? Wow! Times have changed havent they?
 
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting LPLAspotter (Thread starter):
No wonder they only kept a large jet on that route for a short time.



Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 5):
A 737 to Modesto? Wow!

United used to run some crazy routings in the west with 732's prior to deregulation. One they dropped like a hot potato was something like Ely-Elko-Reno-SFO.

Sample puddle-jumper routings between SFO and Central/Southern California courtesy of member Stirling from an old thread:

SFO-FAT-VIS-BFL-SAN
SFO-SCK-MOD-FAT-VIS-BFL
SFO-SCK-MOD-FAT-LAX
SFO-SCK-MOD-MCE-VIS-LAX
SFO-SCK-MOD-MCE-FAT-LAX
SFO-VIS-BFL-LAX
SFO-FAT-BFL-LAX
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:11 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
They only made 25 or 30 of the -100 series and I thought they all went to LH.

MAS (Malaysia-Singapore Airlines) also got a few new from the factory
NASA flew one for a very long time as well
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:18 pm

Thanks for the news (although I wanted to say I flew on a 100 series) but now that I think about it I remember Lufthansa getting most of those birds.

Those flights were a trip. Almost like having the entire 737 to yourself.

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:28 pm

I flew on a 737-100, America West had them. It flew as the Phoenix Suns.

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:36 pm

Quoting Da man (Reply 7):
NASA flew one for a very long time as well

NASA's is in fact the very first 737. You can see it at the Museum of Flight in Seattle (where it belongs). I'm hoping that it will remain there permanently and get a repaint in its rollout colors...


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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting Da man (Reply 7):
MAS (Malaysia-Singapore Airlines) also got a few new from the factory

Good grief, how could I, of all people (being an ex-Air Florida puke) forget the infamous 737-112s?


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We had five, all originally from MAS as you noted. We ran them as N40AF (line-194), N42AF (line-203), N46AF (line-184), N47AF (line-212), and N48AF (line-217).

They were really special aircraft, in that they had beefed up landing gear and -9 engines, and were capable of some higher takeoff and landing weights than the "stock" 737-130s that LH had. I seem to recall a max takeoff weight of 110,000 lbs., which was 1,000 lbs. better than the larger 737-200 "Basic" aircraft with -7s.

Another thing special about them was the old-style wire HF antenna from the top of the fuselage to the forward tip of the tail (see photo above), since Singapore had some long overwater segments and the navaids of the day were something less exotic than are available today. We left the antennae on at Air Florida, but they sure did look odd compared to the rest of the ragtag 737 fleet.

Two of the five aircraft had more than their share of mechanical problems (I don't recall which two) and were quickly dubbed "Godzilla" and "Rodan" after the movie monsters. We also had "bug" problems (on all 5) and some fumigator in MIA made some money off us with repetitive treatments. I later interviewed at Alaska Airlines dispatch in SEA, and the manager mentioned in passing that they had some ex-Singapore 727s. I casually asked how they solved their "bug" problems with them. He replied that they flew each one to Prudhoe Bay and left them sit for a couple of weeks in the winter cold--that will (and did) kill anything.
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:14 pm

The only 737 that UA operated on the SFO-SCK-MOD-MCE-VIS-LAX was the 737-222. They operated the route with 737's from late November 1968, with the retirement of the DC-6 (except for the SLC-ELKO-ELY-RNO-SFO RT operated with DC-6B's until early 1971) until UA dumped the local service California routes right after deregulation in 1978, a period of ten years. I lived in Modesto in 1975-76, and traveled there frequently from 1974-77. UA during that period operated four flights to Modesto. A very early morning flight that operated SFO-MOD-SCK-SFO. Two mid day flights that operated SFO-SCK-MOD-MCE-VIS-LAX and return. And a late evening SFO-SCK-MOD-SFO. All were operated with the 737-222. During the winter time, the early morning and late evening flights often were canceled due to Toole Fog. In those days, a load factor of 60% was profitable, and the flights usually had that many passengers and were frequently quite full.
 
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:39 am

HP and CO were the some of the few airlines that flew the 737-100s. At least as far as American carriers go. I am unsure of the others.

Gotta love the aft airstairs.
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
HP and CO were the some of the few airlines that flew the 737-100s. At least as far as American carriers go. I am unsure of the others.

Gotta love the aft airstairs.

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 14):
Also PeoplExpress

Fair enough, should have thrown that one in. We did "inherit" them.

PE did get them from LH. We (CO) had the plane that was shot (LH flight 181) at in Mogadishu in 1977.
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
HP and CO were the some of the few airlines that flew the 737-100s. At least as far as American carriers go. I am unsure of the others.

Air California/AirCal operated two ex-Avianca -100's (if the history in the photo database is correct).

American flew them for a short while after buying AirCal, but I don't know if they ever saw full AA livery.


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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:43 am

3 or 4 -100s found their way to New Zealand for a few years flying with Ansett New Zealand ( from 1988 - can't remember when they were withdrawn ) before they were (sadly) replaced by Bae146s . I knew an engineer in CHC who said that the Boeings (which were at the time of arrival in New Zealand around 20 years old ) were less maintenance intensive than the brand new 146s ! They were certainly a lot nicer from the pax point of view .
 
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
HP and CO were the some of the few airlines that flew the 737-100s. At least as far as American carriers go. I am unsure of the others.

Air California/AirCal operated two ex-Avianca -100's (if the history in the photo database is correct).

American flew them for a short while after buying AirCal, but I don't know if they ever saw full AA livery.

I don't believe Avianca never has had 737's at all...South American should be able to confirm this, but I've practically worn Bogota out with my comings and goings through there to Brazil via Leticia, Co. since the early 60's and I've never seen a 737 in AV's liveries. I'll bet the database had a type O.

AV itself has had: (jets) 707-100/300, 720, 727-200, 757-200, 767-100/200, 747-100,200, MD-80's....did I forget any??

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:54 am

[quote=OPNLguy,reply=11]We had five, all originally from MAS as you noted. We ran them as N40AF (line-194), N42AF (line-203), N46AF (line-184), N47AF (line-212), and N48AF (line-217).

They were really special aircraft, in that they had beefed up landing gear and -9 engines, and were capable of some higher takeoff and landing weights than the "stock" 737-130s that LH had. I seem to recall a max takeoff weight of 110,000 lbs., which was 1,000 lbs. better than the larger 737-200 "Basic" aircraft with -7s.


ANother way to tell a 737-100 are the blow in doors on the engines, a similar feature on the 707. For some reason, the doors were not common on a 732 series aircraft engines although I did see it once.

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:43 am

There were two (?) 737-159s, weren't there-- no typo? Were they built for Avianca but never used by them?
 
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 20):
There were two (?) 737-159s, weren't there-- no typo? Were they built for Avianca but never used by them?

You could be correct here as this might have been the case....but I never saw anything in AV colors that was a 737 and actually flew. And I would have seen something as much time as I've spent in Colombia.

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 19):
ANother way to tell a 737-100 are the blow in doors on the engines, a similar feature on the 707. For some reason, the doors were not common on a 732 series aircraft engines although I did see it once.

The 737-200 "Basic" had the sucker doors as well, but they disappeared with the advent of the 737-200 "Advanced" (ADV) version off the production line.
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 22):
The 737-200 "Basic" had the sucker doors as well, but they disappeared with the advent of the 737-200 "Advanced" (ADV) version off the production line.

I see....having grew up in Brazil, I didn't have a chance to see the basic 732, all the carriers that used 732's there....Cruzeiro do Sul, Varig(at that time when they were separate..they later joined) and Vasp were all the Advanced 732's so I never noticed sucker doors.

Thanks!

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
They only made 25 or 30 of the -100 series and I thought they all went to LH. I think it more likely that you were on a 737-200 Basic, as I think UA was the launch customer for those...

CO had 737-100 also.
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:26 am

Hmm... I saw a pair of photos of Avianca 731s in the database, but I can't find them now.

Both were taken at BFI, pre-delivery, though.
 
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 24):
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
They only made 25 or 30 of the -100 series and I thought they all went to LH. I think it more likely that you were on a 737-200 Basic, as I think UA was the launch customer for those...

CO had 737-100 also.

One of the posts above by somebody, mentioned that...they were inhertied by CO from PE(which originally came from LH) when they were merged.

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 18):
I don't believe Avianca never has had 737's at all.



Quoting Timz (Reply 20):
There were two (?) 737-159s, weren't there-- no typo? Were they built for Avianca but never used by them?



Quoting Thecheese (Reply 25):
Hmm... I saw a pair of photos of Avianca 731s in the database, but I can't find them now.

Both were taken at BFI, pre-delivery, though.

One of the elusive 737-159's in Avianca colors. No idea if AV actually took delivery or not, this photo says it was taken in Nov 68 at Boeing Field, but the first photo of it in Air California colors is Oct 68.


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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 23):
I see....having grew up in Brazil, I didn't have a chance to see the basic 732, all the carriers that used 732's there....Cruzeiro do Sul, Varig(at that time when they were separate..they later joined) and Vasp were all the Advanced 732's so I never noticed sucker doors.

The original three 737-200s that SWA started with back in 1971 were all of the "basic" variety, but were cycled out of the fleet within a few years and replaced with the ADVs which was the standard production aircraft after 1972 or so.. (Can't recall exact year, but I'm sure someone here does...)

The Basic had a max landing weight of only 98,000 lbs, but the ADVs were much better and came in 103,000, 105,000, and 107,000 variants. Takeoff weights on the ADVs were also better, with available -9, -15, and -17 engines, and made the -7s on the -200 Basics pale by comparison.
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 27):
One of the elusive 737-159's in Avianca colors. No idea if AV actually took delivery or not, this photo says it was taken in Nov 68 at Boeing Field, but the first photo of it in Air California colors is Oct 68.

WOW! Thanks AeroWesty. It sure looks strange in AV's old livery. During this livery's life, all the planes were DC-6's and DC-3's and the first 727-100's they aquired. Ah, the childhood memories of flying those planes then!

As your pointed out, I'll bet it's what you mentioned...they went to Air Cal for some reason rather than AV....sure didn't see them in BOG or MDE then!

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:09 pm

Correct me if I am wrong.

Isn't a tell tale sign of a 737-100 the lack of any door handle (from the outside) or door window on the 2L door. At least with CO's 737-100s, the 2L door was a huge folding staircase. If we used the stairs, we would get a knock from the outside to let us know it was ok to lower the stairs.

In case of emergency, we would have to assess conditions by going to the last row of seats and checking through the passenger window.
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 30):
Isn't a tell tale sign of a 737-100 the lack of any door handle (from the outside) or door window on the 2L door.

Not always. 737-200Cs also had the rear airstair and I think the same may be true of the new 737 Combis too.
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 31):
Not always. 737-200Cs also had the rear airstair and I think the same may be true of the new 737 Combis too.

Correct. I meant to get across was that all 737-100s had the aft airstairs at 2L, if I am not mistaken. All our 737-100s had them.
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:18 am

So overall, how many factory-fresh 737-100s were actually built? I've always thought it was 30. How many of these didn't go to LH?
 
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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting YOW (Reply 33):
So overall, how many factory-fresh 737-100s were actually built? I've always thought it was 30. How many of these didn't go to LH?

From the 737.org.uk page...

"Just 30 series 100's were built, with 22 going to Lufthansa, 5 for Malaysia Airlines and 2 for Avianca."

That totals 29, and the 1st one was the prototype/NASA aircraft, 30 in all...

http://www.b737.org.uk/history.htm

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:01 am

Wow, all I wanted to know is if I flew a 100 series and I got more information on this type that I could ever find in a book. This website is great (no kidding no sarcasm)!!!

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RE: Did I Fly A 737-100?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 12):
(except for the SLC-ELKO-ELY-RNO-SFO RT

During a period in the 70's United contracted with the first Frontier to fly a CV580 over this routing.

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