nkops
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B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:25 pm

I figured since I'm probably one of the few left who hasnt started a "B6 to start (insert airport code here)", I would give it a shot..... so here it goes!!!

(clears throat)


Look everybody!!! B6 flight 9002 went from JFK-ACY this morning, that must mean they are going to start service in ACY soon....

JFK&ARRAP=ACY" target=_blank>http://tracker.flightview.com/fvSJTr...L=B6&ACId=9002&DEPAP=JFK&ARRAP=ACY

so what do you think??  

P.S. By the way, before you people who always say "this discussion already took place, if you do a topic search you'll see"... this is done in jest, so just relax!!

http://tracker.flightview.com/fvSJTr...pe=htm&arrap=ACY&Find2=Find+flight

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jetblueatjfk
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:12 am

Well this could be from the diversions last night, some B6 flights diverted there I think and they probably sent a plane down to bring PAX up to JFK from there. I don't know how a JFK-ACY would ever work, it is only 16 minutes and I don't see demand. I can see ACY-MCO, ACY-FLL, ACY-PBI.

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AAFlyer2006
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:49 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 1):
ACY-MCO, ACY-FLL, ACY-PBI.

A couple of weeks ago, those routes were listed in the wikipedia article for beginning on October 10, 2006 (to PBI), October 17, 2006 (to MCO, and October 24, 2006. (to FLL)

As for JFK to ACY, connecting ACY to JFK would be a good idea only if they were too far to get to JFK. However, an express train will soom connect Atlantic City and New York City, Atlantic City residents can already use EWR to fly from and can reach JFK by mass transit and by driving. Atlantic City could also fly from a Philadelphia airport if jetBlue ever enters that market.
 
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:18 am

Since jet Blue started flying atleast 15 aircraft belonging to the airline have landed at my local airport SWF, either a diversion or a chartered flight. So my point is that it doesn't mean anything...

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nkops
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
So my point is that it doesn't mean anything...

I agree.... they land in ACY alot (we've had about 6 in the last week alone) on diversion from JFK or EWR or LGA.

I believe they were doing a charter today out of ACY... no big deal, I was just being sarcastic with this thread, because everyone seems to freak out when B6 comes to their airport!!!
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting AAFlyer2006 (Reply 2):
Atlantic City could also fly from a Philadelphia airport if jetBlue ever enters that market.

I don't think anyone in Philly would fly PHL-ACY. The cost would more than likely outweigh the benifit, its close enough to drive.
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting Malexander131 (Reply 5):
I don't think anyone in Philly would fly PHL-ACY. The cost would more than likely outweigh the benifit, its close enough to drive.

No he means they can fly from PHL and get ACY traffic since they are close. Read into it more.

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nkops
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 6):
No he means they can fly from PHL and get ACY traffic since they are close. Read into it more.

or vice-versa!!!
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vega
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:15 am

Well B6 PIT-ACY wouldn't set a precedent. US Air used to fly the route regularly as well as PHL-ACY. I often wondered why PIT-ACY wasn't restarted at least for the Summer months. B6 could try a PIT-ACY-JFK route, which you'd think would work with ACY feed both from/to NYC and PIT. The new NYC-AC "express" train will only run on weekends and take about 2.5 hours. Only competitive advantage I can see with the train is that the airport is about 15 miles from the casinos, but shuttle buses would easily solve that. I miss the Boardwalk.
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AAFlyer2006
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 6):
No he means they can fly from PHL and get ACY traffic since they are close.

Thanks for clarifying my statement. That was the point I was trying to make, so thanks for clarifying it.

However, from what I hear, the drive from Philadelphia to ACY is a difficult drive. Atlantic city is linked to New York City, by train, and is a drivable distance away. PHL would create needless competition, especially with US Air. A viable option for serving the metro area is ILG airport at Wilmington, DE.

Wilmington, DE- ILG -city population- 72,000- metro population 5.8 million

Wilmington is considered part of the fourth largest metro area in America, New Castle Airport is 3 miles from downtown Wilmington, 23 miles from PHL and 65 miles from downtown Baltimore. The only other service out of this airport is by Delta to Atlanta.
 
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:33 am

Quoting AAFlyer2006 (Reply 9):
Atlantic city is linked to New York City, by train, and is a drivable distance away.

AC to NYC direct via train is proposed it is not yet a reality. The only way to get from Atlantic City to New York Penn Station is via Philadelphia on Amtrak or Philly and Trenton on NJTransit/SEPTA. How ever the Amtrak route will be $50 each way and take 3.5-4 hours with connections.

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AAFlyer2006
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 10):
The only way to get from Atlantic City to New York Penn Station is via Philadelphia on Amtrak or Philly and Trenton on NJTransit/SEPTA

My mistake, that rail line was recently approved and is supposed to be running in 2007. There is a bus from Atlantic City to the Port Authority in NYC, which is linked to the airtrain stop at JFK by subway.
 
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting AAFlyer2006 (Reply 9):
However, from what I hear, the drive from Philadelphia to ACY is a difficult drive.

Actually, it is a fairly easy drive... straight up the AC Expressway to I76 over the Walt Whitman. Anyway, I don't see B6 in PHL because WN has most of the routes that they would do covered. I really don't expect to see them in the PHL-ACY area for a long time
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting Nkops (Reply 12):
Actually, it is a fairly easy drive...

I got that information from an earlier post. Mapquest clocks it at taking 1 hour and 48 minutes to midtown Manhattan. To drive from Atlantic City to JFK is probably harder.

ILG airport at Wilmington, DE would cover the Philadelphia area, the state of Delaware, and northern MD. However, it would not cover the Atlantic City area well. ILG is at least 1 hour and 40 minutes (72 miles) from downtown Atlantic City.

Philadelphia is would cause competition in all probable routes with US Air and Southwest. ACY is a little too close to NYC and is a little too far from downtown Philadelphia, one hour (53 miles).

Does anyone know much about Philadelphia Northeastern Airport?
 
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 10):
AC to NYC direct via train is proposed it is not yet a reality.

The NJ Transit board approved it, the Casinos are helping fund the service. It starts next year, it will take two hours and run from NY Penn to Atlantic City via Philadelphia.

Quote:
June 20, 2006
Atlantic City and Rail Line Agree to Offer Direct Service
By RONALD SMOTHERS

NEWARK, June 19 — Three Atlantic City casinos have agreed to finance direct weekend train service to and from New York City's Pennsylvania Station in a bid to win new customers.

The deal was approved on Monday when New Jersey Transit, the state-run commuter rail line, agreed to operate the service, which was scheduled to start in 2007. The three casinos, Borgata, Caesars and Harrah's, will put up $15 million to buy eight new double-decker rail cars and provide $4 million a year to pay the annual operating costs for a three-year demonstration period.

An additional $4.5 million will come from the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, a state agency financed by 12 casinos in the city, to lease diesel engines from Amtrak for the initial three years.

Dan Dressel, a spokesman for New Jersey Transit, said casino operators were hoping to come up with a competitive price for the service.

The plan calls for running 18 weekend trains to and from Atlantic City equipped for dining and drinking. The service is expected to provide round-trip transportation for approximately 1,100 people each weekend, the officials said.

While each casino will have a block of tickets for its customers, at least 25 percent of the tickets must be available to the public because of the financing from the casino reinvestment agency, which has helped pay for housing, roads, health centers and hotel expansions that are deemed to benefit Atlantic City and the gambling industry.

Mr. Cipollini said the casinos providing the bulk of the financial support would most likely use the rail service in "a lot of good marketing packages" aimed at higher-end gambling and nongambling customers.

"I think it is great for us to be in the railroad business," he said.

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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:27 am

the big thing everyone forgets whos not in the area is how long the drive from acy to phl to nyc can really take in reality. Before the shore traffic kicks in the parkways is a fun little trip but the total opposite when its warm. Mapquest can tell you whatever you want but in REALITY in the summer the drive from New York are to AC on the parkway shore traffic could be an easy 5 hours on the weekend. The parkway is gettting worse every year  Sad That is why there use to be air service from AC bader to Newark and New York people took it the traffic is really that bad here  Sad
 
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RE: B6 To My Town ACY... Possibly

Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:04 am

Well, JFK-ACY might not work for B6, but with all the expansion going on in AC (Borgata, Tropicana, etc.) there might be opportunities to open up AC to a few other B6 cities, perhaps DUL and BOS.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were Atlantic City, though, there's lots of other opportunities for B6 to pursue first.