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CO Domestic Expansion Question

Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:17 pm

I was wondering what CO's Domestic plans included. All of their new service announcement as of late have been international. I know that the international market is where the money is, but isn't some domestic expansion necesary. We've heard of domestic expansion from almost every other carrier, so I was just wondering what CO's plans are. Any one have any thoughts or insights?

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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:21 pm

I do not expect to see a whole heck of a lot of expansion, though I do expect to see ongoing adjustments to the schedule.
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:30 pm

I believe that in their annual report CO stated they would grow their domestic mainline capacity by 4 % , i dont know if that means more destinations, or just more flights on the more profitable existing routes.
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:42 am

Cal is expanding its domestic routes in an interesting way. Cal is changing out the aircraft flying current routes with bigger planes without adding new departures.

example
757-200 for 757-300
737-500 now has 10% more seats
coming soon
get rid of 737-300 for 737ng
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:42 am

yes, i would not look for new destinations or new routes, but rather we are expanding by adding the additional 757-300s to our route system and will soon be adding a few F class seats to some of our planes. Also, additional frequencies will be made. As you can see by the schedules right now, we have added many red-eyes for the past couple months to the schedule.
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 4):
As you can see by the schedules right now, we have added many red-eyes for the past couple months to the schedule.

And lowering the fares on redeyes to make them more attractive to consumers. A win-win in my opinion as to allows CO to use equipment that would have been RON and allows consumers a lower cost options for travel.
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 1):
I do not expect to see a whole heck of a lot of expansion, though I do expect to see ongoing adjustments to the schedule.

I agree. And, as pointed out above, CO is and will continue to use larger aircraft on domestic routes...such as the eight additional 753s and the additional 737NGs that are on order that will, over time, replace older and smaller 733s. Also, some routes may mature and be flown by mainline instead of regional aircraft.

We could see some new routes (likely with regional aircraft) out of IAH to some cities in the US West.....for example, IAH-GEG has been spoken about in the past. And, while not domestic but instead North American, CO is quietly building up connections between EWR and the Canadian Maritimes primarily with regional jets.
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:53 am

Does anyone think that EWR-ANC will ever come back? Also will there be more connect the dots from EWR to cities that are only served from IAH such as OAK or BOI? I know OAK has been tried in the past and didn't work, but I was just throwing that out as an example. What cities that are served from IAH could support EWR service that don't already have it?
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting COEWRNJ (Reply 7):
Does anyone think that EWR-ANC will ever come back?

I dont think that we will see this route return......first, its a long run and ties up a 752 for a lot of hours doing a turn (although the return is generally a redeye), second, the yeilds are not great as the flight attracts primarily vacationers and cruise ship pax which fly on low contract fares agreed to by the airlines and cruise companies, last, for whatever reasons, when CO flew the EWR-ANC route a couple of summers ago, the fight seemed to be an operational headache with the flight taking constant delays. (The flight was generally sandwiched between two Florida flights, that could be the issue, and EWR is difficult during the summer with ATC problems and weather...but the ANC flight was especially bad.) If anything, it would be a seasonal run, maybe after the 787s are delivered which may free up a couple of 757s - who knows?

Other cities out of EWR? CO has tried quite a few cities that did not work out very well - YYC, OAK, SMF, TUS, ABQ all come to mind, its tough making the flights to the "smaller western cities" work out of EWR. I do think that at the right moment, CO will try all of these cities again. CO pretty much covers the destinations that have a chance of working out EWR...maybe RNO is a possibility, additional cities in Florida and the Gulf Coast as those destinations grow with more population and the second home crowd, and while not domestic, additional Caribbean destinations will probably develop out of EWR.
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:46 am

Of all the airlines, CO seems to me to be most aggressive at paring back the schedule on Tuesday and WEdnesday and Saturday. .. . what are those planes doing (probably moved to leisure routes on Saturday, but not a whole lot in CLE at least)? It's better to have billions of metal sitting around doing nothing rather than earning a bit of money? I know other airlines cut back as well, but it doesn't seem so dramatic.
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:26 am

on saturdays you will see additional Mexico flying and carribean flying, we scale back domestic business pair cities to open up the leisure routes.
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:57 am

Sure but what about in the summer? The only Saturday addition in CLE I'm aware of is ABQ.
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:05 am

Possibilities:

IAH-GEG
IAH-FAT
IAH-BIL


EWR-COS
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:21 am

on saturdays you see a lot more EWR-mexico flying, as well as more IAH-mexico flying.
 
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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:12 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 4):
...and will soon be adding a few F class seats to some of our planes.

I heard the same thing earlier this year, an as an elite, I look forward to the improved upgrade odds!

But a quick question: I was under the impression that CO is switching the Hi8 tape systems in the 738's/739's (and perhaps others as well) to a space saving AVOD system for the overheard IFE. This will allow for the closet in front of 2A and 2B to be relocated forward to permit the installation of 1A and 1B.

Can anyone here offer any insight as to if this is correct - and if so - when is the project scheduled to be finished?

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RE: CO Domestic Expansion Question

Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
CO has tried quite a few cities that did not work out very well - YYC, OAK, SMF, TUS, ABQ

CO is currently flying nonstop from EWR to YYC and ABQ, both with 737-500s.

CO has alot of 737NGs parked at EWR over the Weekends and overnight, instead of overnighting on the ground at EWR or spending Sunday's basking in the Newark Sun they should be flying.

Oakland, Ontario, Burbank, Reno, Sacramento, Tuscon should all be tried as Red Eyes or Weekend specials.
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