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Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:10 am

MEA has evacuated its five stranded aircraft in Beirut airport to Larnaca, Cyprus.

This operation was undertaken by taking off from one of Beirut airport's long taxiways. No passengers were onboard any of the aircraft.

The aircraft are 4 A321s and 1 A330.

Pictures at Larnaca's airport:











In response to the evacuation, Israel has bombed the fuel tanks in Beirut's airport to ensure that such an evacuation doesn't happen again. Looks like they didn't think MEA would use a taxiway to evacuate its fleet.

Does anyone know the status of MEA's 2 A321s and 2 A330s that were NOT at the airport at the time Israel bombed it?
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:21 am

Thank you so much for this good news BA.
We heard this rumor here in Beirut during all the day but I couldn't have any confirmation.

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
Does anyone know the status of MEA's 2 A321s and 2 A330s that were NOT at the airport at the time Israel bombed it?

1 A321 is at CDG.
The plane left BEY for the red-eye flight (ME209/AF523) before the attack at 2:01 AM LT and landed at CDG at 05:34 AM LT.
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:22 am

What will happen to the airline now? Plus where's the rest of the airline's fleet??
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:23 am

Congratulations to MEA for getting its' fleet out of BEY safely- I guess they have experience from the times that Israel has kept BEY closed in the past.

I believe the A330 may have been operating to West Africa.

Are there any foreign aircraft in BEY?
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:00 am

Thanks for the information FlySSC.

Quoting Raffik (Reply 3):
Congratulations to MEA for getting its' fleet out of BEY safely- I guess they have experience from the times that Israel has kept BEY closed in the past.

Yes, MEA has had to evacuate its fleet to Cyprus a number of times in the 80's.

Quoting Raffik (Reply 3):
Are there any foreign aircraft in BEY?

I don't think so.

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:21 am

Quoting BA (Reply 7):

There was one A330 in BEY this afternoon. It was clearly in the frame when BBC journalist gave his live report. Is this the one that is in LCA now (I couldn't see the registration) or is it another one?
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting BA (Reply 7):
Destroying infrastructure has a greater consequence on a country's economy than destroying the fleet of an airline. Without infrastructure, businesses cannot operate.

It would've been easy to strike the taxiway, planes and terminal. IAF and IDF didn't.
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
Does anyone know the status of MEA's 2 A321s and 2 A330s that were NOT at the airport at the time Israel bombed it?



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
1 A321 is at CDG.

Apparently, F-ORMH is the one at CDG.
To be confirmed ...

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BA (Reply 7) : And for the record, Israel destroyed MEA's planes in 1968 and 1982.

At BEY, on December 28th 1968, the Israeli Air Force destroyed 8 MEA's aircraft : 1 B707, 3 Comets, 3 Caravelles, 1 Vickers Viscount (+ 1 leased VC-10), 3 from LIA (Lebanese International Airways - 2 Convair 990 + 1 DC-7), and 2 from TMA (1 DC-6 + 1 DC-4).

In 1982, MEA lost 6 B720 during the Isaeli invasion.

[Edited 2006-07-14 02:59:31]
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:22 pm

As noted, a number of the aircraft of MEA are registered in France as they maybe owned by leasing companies. For Israel to destoy the aircraft of MEA could be effectively declaring war against France as well, not something they may want to do.
At least MEA's fleet is ok, but for the forseeable future, BEY is shut down, and as all access in/out of Lebanon is shut down including by sea and road. That cannot help MEA.
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:55 pm

Wholeheartedly agreed, BA.

Does anyone know how the passengers are getting from Cyprus to Lebanon? Cyprus is an island, and I thought the Lebanese ports were blockaded...?
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:02 pm

The ports may be blockaded, so good possibility they are heading to Syria ( Lattakia or another port ) and then by road south to Lebanon.

Only a gues, however seems it coudl be viable.

Anyone in Cyprus have a clue ??
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:11 pm

Well, the airport has just been hit again and reports of a damaged passenger aircraft are coming in on Sky News.
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:45 pm

i heard from lebanon that some of the aircraft also went to Amman, Can anyone confirm this?

Maybe today's departure
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:14 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
As noted, a number of the aircraft of MEA are registered in France as they maybe owned by leasing companies. For Israel to destoy the aircraft of MEA could be effectively declaring war against France as well, not something they may want to do.

Probably more like declaring war on an aircraft leasing company, and not France...?

But nothing would surprise me now
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:19 pm

The main thing is that all MEA aircraft are safe and not destroyed. I wonder how long it will be untill Beirut Airport will be open for business again. Weeks, months, years?
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:20 pm

Further informations about the status quo of the remaining fleet? 2 A330 are left to be identified somewhere in the world...
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 29):
Further informations about the status quo of the remaining fleet? 2 A330 are left to be identified somewhere in the world...

One A330 is parked on a remote stand at the north apron at OMDB/DXB. I saw it last night as I was leaving DXB to BAH. Sorry, I could not get the registration as it was night.

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:57 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 28):
The main thing is that all MEA aircraft are safe and not destroyed. I wonder how long it will be untill Beirut Airport will be open for business again. Weeks, months, years?

Nothing's certain at the moment, but under normal circumstances it could be open before the end of next week. No doubt we'll find out what's proposed soon, BEY could operate with just one repaired runway, which is what will probably happen.

From today's arrivals information into LHR, if anybody's interested.......

BA162 TEL AVIV 1140 Due 1133 (early...nice)
BA6502 BEIRUT 1305 Cancelled
LY315 TEL AVIV 1335 No info
ME215 BEIRUT 1400 No info

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:04 pm

Quoting SV777KiloAlpha (Reply 30):
One A330 is parked on a remote stand at the north apron at OMDB/DXB. I saw it last night as I was leaving DXB to BAH. Sorry, I could not get the registration as it was night

ok my thoughts are approved. it is the wednesday evening flight ME 428 left BEY at 21:00 local for DXB.

So I guess the third one now stands in LHR or DUS 'cause these two are the only other oppurtunities which are served by an A330.

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting SV777KiloAlpha (Reply 30):
One A330 is parked on a remote stand at the north apron at OMDB/DXB. I saw it last night as I was leaving DXB to BAH. Sorry, I could not get the registration as it was night.

It must be F-OMEA or F-OMEC.

F-OMEB was the one in BEY, who left from a taxiway yesturday to LCA.
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:21 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 38):
Secondly why would Israel want to wreck the aircrafts and the airport if
it´s not used by Hizbollah, it´s the people they want to hit

The Airport terminal was just hit.
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:06 pm

Well... dont know about anyone else, but I feel kinda bad for the pilots asked to fly these aircraft to LCA...
How are they going to get back to see their family ?

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 45):
I feel kinda bad for the pilots asked to fly these aircraft to LCA...
How are they going to get back to see their family ?

There is no way back. I cannot get a line through to my father out there- the telephone lines must be down through the amount of people trying to get through to their loved ones from abroad. My father was making his way to the Syrian border yesterday, and I heard that it had been bombed. He could be dead
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting Kesflyer (Reply 17):
The ports may be blockaded, so good possibility they are heading to Syria ( Lattakia or another port ) and then by road south to Lebanon.

Only a gues, however seems it coudl be viable.

Anyone in Cyprus have a clue ??

Cyprus Airways operated a special flight to Damascus last night and brought back the remaining Cypriots from Beirut. CyBC reported that the stranded people were transported from Beirut to Damascus in a convoy after diplomatic talks with Lebanon, Syria and Israel to ensure their safety. Along with the Cypriots, Cyprus Airways carried 40-50 Europeans.

ERT has also reporter that Olympic Airways are also operating a flight to Damascus tonight to bring back Greek and Cypriot citizens.
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:33 pm

Al-Jazeera reported that 6 aircrafts departed BEY to LCA. 5 belong to MEA and one is a private jet owned by Najib Mitaki (former prime minister)
Any info about the 6th jet?
here's the link:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...3F-C36A-40E5-B8AF-48C31FD616C1.htm

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[Edited 2006-07-14 14:34:20]
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:46 pm

Anyone know what the MEA crews that flew the A/C out are gonna do?
IE stay in Cyprus or make it back to BEY.
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:55 pm

I am happy that MEA secured their aircrafts.

I will not comment on the conflict as it is not the right forum.

I do think that Israel withheld from bombing the commercial aircrafts, due to the fact that some of the aircrafts are leased, and consequently would have to compensate the aircrafts destroyed. Or even having EL AL leased aircrafts repossessed.

I am looking foward to BEY is fixed, and I can take a short holiday there.

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:58 pm

Quoting Raffik (Reply 47):
My father was making his way to the Syrian border yesterday, and I heard that it had been bombed. He could be dead

Don't say that. I'm sure your father is OK and he'll be back home with your family.
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:34 pm

Alright all, just a fair warning in here to keep posts pertaining to civil aviation, specifically MEA's fleet. Sociopolitical commentary will be deleted - those sort of discussions belong in Non-Av, not here.
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting TAP340 (Reply 31):
They must have been fantastic take offs! Anyone with pictures? The solution found by MEA is the prove that under stress anyone can find solutions, and furthermore a "I'm with stupid" stamp for Israel.

It's not difficult to carpet-bomb an airport and destroy everything. According to the media reports, Israel used MISSLES (read- presicion weapons) to destroy the RUNWAYS. After the aircraft left, they used the same devices to destroy the FUEL TANKS. Notice they did this AFTER the aircraft LEFT the airport, and they have NOT destroyed the taxiway (yet), which they could of done at the same time that the tanks were bombed. I bet with a little work this taxiway/old runway could be used to bring the aircraft BACK to the airport and have limited ops resume until the main runways are repaired. That would help get things back to "normal" no??

Kudos to all to keeping this 2nd discussion on the situation mostly apolitical and aviation related. Please keep it this way.

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:39 pm

Well done to the moderators.

Keeping politics out of the discussion is very difficult in these stressful times.
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:48 pm

Photo in the cover of the New York Times shows the fuel tanks burning includes a parked Kurdistan Airlines Boeing 737-200. I believe N247US. Is that aircraft out, or is it still stuck in BEY?

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:52 pm

Is there any news of the impact on Globejet.
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:04 pm

So how is this going to affect MEA's operations? How will flights be affected by this?
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:07 pm

So is all of MEA's fleet accounted for and will it all go to LCA in time?

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 24):
Al-Jazeera reported that 6 aircrafts departed BEY to LCA. 5 belong to MEA and one is a private jet owned by Najib Mitaki (former prime minister)
Any info about the 6th jet?

Well, the 5 MEA jets plus the 1 private jet equals 6.

On a different note, whats the runway layout at BEY like?
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
In response to the evacuation, Israel has bombed the fuel tanks in Beirut's airport to ensure that such an evacuation doesn't happen again. Looks like they didn't think MEA would use a taxiway to evacuate its fleet.

Does anyone know the status of MEA's 2 A321s and 2 A330s that were NOT at the airport at the time Israel bombed it?

Israel let the planes go. When the bombed beirut before they ended up compensating Ghana Airways for a VC10.
The aircraft are not Lebanon owned and destroying $1/2bn of someone elses property wouldnt gain them much support. Hence leaving the window open for them to leave.

The airport building / property however is a different thing.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
As noted, a number of the aircraft of MEA are registered in France as they maybe owned by leasing companies. For Israel to destoy the aircraft of MEA could be effectively declaring war against France as well, not something they may want to do.

Maybe not declaring war on France but it wouldnt get much support from the French government should the owners protest strongly about it to the right people.

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 25):
Anyone know what the MEA crews that flew the A/C out are gonna do?
IE stay in Cyprus or make it back to BEY.

If I were them I'd be staying in Cyprus on MEA expenses.

Quoting SK909 (Reply 26):
I do think that Israel withheld from bombing the commercial aircrafts, due to the fact that some of the aircrafts are leased, and consequently would have to compensate the aircrafts destroyed. Or even having EL AL leased aircrafts repossessed.

Exactly.

Remember the Sri Lankan Airlines incident and ow the tamils lost influencial support because of it. If MEA had left them there and damage would of occured it could have changed the political reaction.
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:35 am

The pilots asked to fly these planes to LCA were very brave. They could have been easily shot down by Israeli fighters over the Mediterranean.

I know shooting down commercial jets doesn't sound like a very good idea, but nothing would surprise me now...
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:44 am

Very good news, great to hear MEA could save its fleet. With these ongoing attacks on BEY there would have been a permanent risk of missiles or bombs hitting these civilian jets.

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
Looks like they didn't think MEA would use a taxiway to evacuate its fleet.

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:47 am

Raffik there was a Kurdistan Airlines B737 at Beirut.
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:50 am

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting BCNGRO (Reply 37):
The pilots asked to fly these planes to LCA were very brave. They could have been easily shot down by Israeli fighters over the Mediterranean.

This would have been a very very SERIOUS gesture. Shooting a civilian airplane is one of the worst thing a state can do, even in war times.

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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 36):
Israel let the planes go.

CNN is reporting that the British and Americans brokered an agreement with the Israelis and Lebanon to allow the MEA aircraft to depart. Moments after all the aircraft had departed, Israel bombed the repairs that had been made yesterday.
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:01 am

The israelis once shot down a libyan 727 that strayed off course. Full of pax as well. I will reserve my disgust for the non aviation forums...
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:04 am

It was reported on BBC America this morning that MEA flew a number of jets out of BEY to AMM. They are planning on storing them at Amman indefinately. This seems very familiar with what Iraqi did after the 1st Gulf War.
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 35):
On a different note, whats the runway layout at BEY like?

BEY on Google Earth
 
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
In response to the evacuation, Israel has bombed the fuel tanks in Beirut's airport to ensure that such an evacuation doesn't happen again. Looks like they didn't think MEA would use a taxiway to evacuate its fleet.

If Israel knew there were no passengers on board they would have allowed MEA aircraft to depart. But they couldn't take chances.....
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting BCNGRO (Reply 37):
The pilots asked to fly these planes to LCA were very brave. They could have been easily shot down by Israeli fighters over the Mediterranean.

The ferry flights were coordinated and with the approval of Israel. A gesture showing Israel does not view MEA as direct tool of Hezbollah.

Quoting KLMyank (Reply 44):
The israelis once shot down a libyan 727 that strayed off course. Full of pax as well. I will reserve my disgust for the non aviation forums...

You might want to read a synopsis of this incident. Not only was the B727 off course, the jet refused to acknowledge radio nor visual signals given by Israeli jets which were scrambled to intercept it.
The course of the aircraft which was over the Sinai would have taken it towards Southern Israel and the Dimona facility which to say the least is one of the most sensitive areas in the country.
Without compliance from the 727, it was deemed to have hostile intent possibly on a suicide mission against Israel.
As a time frame keep in mind what the Middle East was like in 1973. Israel was surrounded by all hostile neighbors having fought one war a few years back and about to experience another that same year.
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
(+ 1 leased VC-10)

Leased from Ghana Airways
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RE: Confirmed: MEA Fleet Evacuated To Cyprus

Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:46 am

I think that some of the MEA aircraft were sent to AMM. Thats what i heard atleast..
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