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LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:36 pm

A friend sent me this link to a short story from an aviation watch web site that he visits periodically. Could this be proof that LAN (or maybe some of their OneWorld partners) is planning to order an ultra jumbo like the 747-8 or A380? I also found it interesting that they are using the 747-8 freighter's dimension. I believe I saw recent reports that Boeing was considering a 747-8i with the same length as the freighter.

Oh, how I would love to see a 747 is that cool LAN livery!

http://www.ainonline.com/Issues/06_06/06_06_Santiago74

Aeropuerto de Santiago Expansion Plans Show LAN Gates For Stretched 747

By Paul Louwe / June 2006

Sources in the managing body of Aeropuerto de Santiago have revealed that LAN requested and received the inclusion of four new "heavy" gates in design plans for their soon-to-be expanded hub facilities. More importantly, a further enhancement request calls for the four gates to accomodate "passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter". "We are unable to comment on details of a document that should not be available to the public", said Antonio Escabrera, Managing Director of the planning Board, when asked if LAN was expecting to use their own aircraft at these gates.

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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:39 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
"passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter"

Huh? Isn't this contradicting?

I believe that that throws the credibility of the article.

And I don't believe LAN is in need of 747s or A380s. I do think, however, they could do some good with more A340s - to what currently is their business plan.

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EDIT: BTW, the link doesn't work - at least for me.

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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:47 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
"passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter".

Which is 75.3m, exactly the same as the A340-600.  scratchchin 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:48 pm

Indeed, the link isn't working for me either...

I only see roght know 747/380 (if) only in Cargo configuration. Although Australia ops is always full (as well as Madrid), 340s are fine, and as MD11J said, there are 2 more 340 to come.

Even more, if Lan Argentina expansion goes on...

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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting 3201 (Reply 2):
Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
"passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter".

Which is 75.3m, exactly the same as the A340-600.

Good point!!! I wonder if they're taking the A340's that Emirates wanted to reject? IMHO, that would seem to make more sense than A380's or 747-8's.

P.S.: Sorry about the link. I copied and pasted it but, apparently, I didn't get the whole thing. I also discarded the original e-mail from my friend. However, the text is what was in the article.

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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:07 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 4):
Good point!!! I wonder if they're taking the A340's that Emirates wanted to reject? IMHO, that would seem to make more sense than A380's or 747-8's.

EK rejected 340-600?

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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:26 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 5):
EK rejected 340-600?

Correct, EK has said that they will not be taking the (20 or so) A340-600s they have on order; they've said they're considering swapping the order for either A380s or whatever comes out of the A350/A370 development.

As for LAN - I, too, cannot see them operating A380s or B747s in a pax configuration...
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:10 pm

Some months ago i opened a thread about LAN being interested in the A380F , but A380 or 747-8I for them is new to me.
Probably they would be able to fill a such large plane on certain routes (MAD) , but it could be a very small fleet.2 or 3 units.
Is that making sense in economic point of view ?
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:25 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 7):
Probably they would be able to fill a such large plane on certain routes (MAD) , but it could be a very small fleet.2 or 3 units.
Is that making sense in economic point of view ?

They may be looking at leasing a couple?
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:24 pm

I think that those aircraft are far too large for LA operations at the moment. The traffic demand is just not there. The A340 has done and will continue to fit in nicely with LA's network.
Cargo, maybe. Especially to and from the US.
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:48 pm

I strongly doubt this is gonna happen. LAN's main plane type will still be the 763ER on the pax side and 763F on the freight side, hence why they still continue ordering them, plus A340s for the higher-capacity/no ETOPS possible routes. More A340s could be ordered, but A380s or 748Is, definitely not.
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:06 pm

no single route in LAN network could support 744/380. A340/B763 are much better suited, also for cargo volumes.
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:38 pm

Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 11):
no single route in LAN network could support 744/380. A340/B763 are much better suited, also for cargo volumes

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Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:59 pm

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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:08 am

The only possibility that I could imagine is LAN ordering a very small number of 748F airplanes for their strong cargo network......and even that would be suprising as LAN seems most comfortable with the 763ER in both passenger and freigher configuration....the size of the 763 seems right for LAN's operations.

Question: whenever there is a discussion about LAN and longhaul or widebody aircraft, one must consider the issue of LAN and the A343....is there any update or information concerning the remaining four A343s that LAN ordered many years ago?
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:28 am

Thought LA was happy ordering new 763ER's. Between the 767 and 767F they still have some (9/15) on order for delivery since 2004. I don't think LAN flys anywhere that would warrant such a large a/c with all that extra space.
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 11):
no single route in LAN network could support 744/380. A340/B763 are much better suited, also for cargo volumes.

This is just a question. They fly 2x/daily LAX-LIM. Wouldn't it make sense to replace both aircraft with a larger one, like a 747? Of course, I would personally support that choice because it would benefit me when flying home. But that's just me being selfish.

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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:36 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 15):
Between the 767 and 767F they still have some (9/15) on order for delivery since 2004

1 763F and 10 763ERs are still to be delivered according to boeing.com, which is still some ample growth for them, though many of the 763ERs will probably used for subsidiaries in Argentina, Peru, and perhaps even Brasil.
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 16):
They fly 2x/daily LAX-LIM. Wouldn't it make sense to replace both aircraft with a larger one, like a 747?

The flights continue to different destinations, and in fact isn't one LP and the other LA, does that matter? What might be better is doing one LAX-SCL non-stop and a single LAX-LIM. Does anyone know why they do not do LAX-SCL non-stop.
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17):
1 763F and 10 763ERs are still to be delivered according to boeing.com,

You are correct. They have only taken (2/3) 767F's and (2/12) for the 763ER passanger. My math at 9am is *rap. Big grin I meant to say they have (11/15) on order for delivery.
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
More importantly, a further enhancement request calls for the four gates to accomodate "passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter".



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):
Huh? Isn't this contradicting?

Not if Boeing stretches the 748-I to the same dimensions as the 748-F, which is being considered.
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:00 am

They're looking into the future that's all. If you're going to build new gates it's a good idea and cheaper to look ahead, rather than retrofit it later at a much higher cost. LAN itself may not order a 748/A346/A380 but one of its Star Aliance partners will and may some day operate the aircraft to LIM. NH/NZ/LH/SQ/UA come to mind.
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 21):
LAN itself may not order a 748/A346/A380 but one of its Star Aliance partners will and may some day operate the aircraft to LIM. NH/NZ/LH/SQ/UA come to mind.

You statement makes sense, however, LAN is One World and partners, for that reason, could include IB, BA, QF, all operators/potential operators for 748/346/380.
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting 3201 (Reply 18):
Does anyone know why they do not do LAX-SCL non-stop.

Insufficient demand between the two cities. This is the same reason why their SCL-JFK service is flown via LIM as well. As far as combining the two services, they don't do this for the same reason that routes in the US once flown by a 737 or similar aircraft on a daily basis are now flown by RJs thrice-daily. Passengers like frequency.
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23):
Insufficient demand between the two cities. This is the same reason why their SCL-JFK service is flown via LIM as well. As far as combining the two services, they don't do this for the same reason that routes in the US once flown by a 737 or similar aircraft on a daily basis are now flown by RJs thrice-daily. Passengers like frequency.

Except, I believe the two flights between LIM and LAX depart within 30 minutes of each other. So, tell me, wouldn't it make sense to fly one large aircraft between that city pair, and have a round trip SCL-LIM and LIM-JFK on two smaller aircraft? And yes, the two flights are "technically" on different airlines, but in reality they are not.

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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:16 am

Isn't the second flight a seasonal one, though? They'd have to find a place to send a 747 for the "slower" months.
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:52 am

I don't think so!
LAN is perfectly happy with their 763 and even ordered some more recently (not sure if Cargo or Pax ones).
Considering Boeing, Is possible LAN studding a replacer for their oldest 763s, that might be the 787. They may only get some 772s, maybe 2nd hand ones. Maybe RG's ones.
Considering Airbus, the ones would be the A330 or the A350/370, remembering that they fly the A343 already.
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:15 pm

Actually there is something that I still don't get; both LH and IB has sent 346s to SCL, and they fit well in the gates, so why do they need more room?

The only change I've heard of Santiago's airport is the name, soon to be discussed in the congress

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14):
is there any update or information concerning the remaining four A343s that LAN ordered many years ago?

there are only 2 remaining. Officially, one arrives next year and the other in 2008. The only airbuses well scheduled for delays are the bunch of 318s and 319s

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 16):
They fly 2x/daily LAX-LIM. Wouldn't it make sense to replace both aircraft with a larger one, like a 747?

There are different flights. One LA starts in EZE, the other LP starts in GRU

Quoting 3201 (Reply 18):
Does anyone know why they do not do LAX-SCL non-stop.

There has been a couple of time, seasonal, but at that time you didn't ave daily links to DFW and ATL

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23):
Passengers like frequency

And passengers hate stops and connections, specially LIM which is known (fairly or not) as one of the most "baggage stolen" airports...

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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:24 pm

Arcano:
No offence but there are many connections to DFW at the time that LA arrives in LAX (roughly the time when QF gets in)

I think that the issue is that there is simply no demand to operate a SCL-LAX non stop. They need to stop in LIM to ensure that connection pax go through.

LA is very dependant on the rest of South America as opposed to relying solely on Chile.

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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:56 am

It's true. I've flown the SCL-LAX flight many times, and typical loads on the SCL-LIM portion are about 30%. In LIM, the aircraft always fills to capacity. I think for awhile the flight (LA600) started in EZE, not sure though. Any chance of bringing back the A340 on LA600?
 
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting Mason (Reply 29):
I think for awhile the flight (LA600) started in EZE, not sure though.

Still does.
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:37 am

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 28):
No offence but there are many connections to DFW at the time that LA arrives in LAX

I thik you didn't understand. I meant that at the time LA flew drectly to LAX, there wasn's flights of AA and DL, so now the demand Chile-USA has more flights that it used to be. I necer said that the people of chile wanted to go to DFW before and not now.
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RE: LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:32 am

Actually, people LOVE the stop in LIM especially the pax heading to EZE. Many people rather go on COPA, CO, DL, AA or AM because they could avoid the 17hr LAX-LIM-SCL-EZE that LAN offers. Eversince LAN introduced the LIM-EZE flight that is timed to connect with BOTH LAN flights from LAX more and more people are choosing LAN. But right now, LAN is loosing ALOT of popularity because they are REALLY getting greedy with the monopoly they have. LAX-LIM-EZE on LAN was 1900 versus the 1300 that CO was charging only weeks ago...

Quoting Arcano (Reply 27):
And passengers hate stops and connections, specially LIM which is known (fairly or not) as one of the most "baggage stolen" airports...

Unfairly I'd say considering it's source. Really? When was this? The 80s? I'd like to see some concrete facts on this...it really surprises me. I think it's believeable then (1980s) but now I haven't heard of it.

It's funny hearing the older Argentine people talking about how they loved to fly AR on EZE-LIM-LAX back in the late 80s and early 90s...

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