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TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:45 am

I was just wondering if the ATL-TLV flights are popular with Delta crews? Has anyone here worked them? What's the general employee feeling on it?

I ask because I was talking to an A.netter who works EWR-TLV on CO and he mentioned that it is a very popular route for CO folk.
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:06 am

Very popular, but it's not for everyone. The flight is long and can be a lot of work. People already have some good "horror stories," yet they still bid it mostly because it is worth good time (25 hours of flying on a 3-day trip!). Also, the layover is nice...wonderful hotel in a great city!
 
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:21 am

Years ago a TWA crew told me he hated flying to TLV.
 
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:17 pm

Back on topic...

I'm sure TLV would be popular with any crew! A beautiful city with lots of places to have a good time.

However, regarding the flight itself, it would be interesting to hear some of these "horror stories". I'm sure every route has its owns, but TLV always appears to take the cake. In my flight MAD-TLV I had some interesting seatmates, they were fun but gave the FA a hard time! Big grin
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:20 pm

I heard in the past from AF F/A that they were put on the route as punishment.

I dont know if its true or not, but I understand what they are saying. When I was working in LY as a F/A working those TLV - PAR flights was difficult. I think the French jews are the most demanding group we needed to serve, followed by the Americans and then Israelis.
On the other hand, we here in Israeli respect the French Jews for being the only large group of "foreigners" visiting Israeli during the tough years of the second intifada. THANKS!
 
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:29 pm

Some of the reasons why TLV is popular is that it is a productive trip in terms of hours and pay, the layover hotel is really nice, eating out is really affordable and the food is phenomenal, the weather tends to be nice year round, duty free shopping at Ben Gurion is a bargain.

I do have to ask the DL crews something...do you allow the passengers to daven? Do you make announcements? What area do they use to daven?

We have passengers go to the back galley to daven. Usually about an hour, sometimes less. Some ISMs make announcements, like "for those wishing to daven, please go to the back galley", or along those lines. The customers REALLY appreciate it.
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:40 pm

TLV is under rocket alert...wonder how popular the route is now?  no 

For AA flight crews, in Europe, FCO is the most popular. Good layover, great hotel, etc.
 
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:56 am

I've removed all the off topic debating. Please try and keep this thread on topic:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
I was just wondering if the ATL-TLV flights are popular with Delta crews?

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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 4):
I heard in the past from AF F/A that they were put on the route as punishment.

Funny, they always say Saudi Arabia (for when you get there) and India (for the flight over andthe obnoxious passengers).

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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
I do have to ask the DL crews something...do you allow the passengers to daven?

Naive question: what is "daven?"

I have heard that flight crews prefer the longer block hours per segment. For example they can block more hours working ATL-TLV than ATL-LGW and be away from home for about the same amount of time. For those who have second careers, this can translate into more monthly income (more hours flown+more time spent on 2nd career?). Maybe I am generalizing - it's my understanding that a lot of senior attendants can "work their schedules" to maximize flying while minimizing time away from home.

I would also imagine for those who have been flying for a number of years, the shopping, touristy stuff etc. loses it's luster and it's about racking in your monthly quota.
 
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
Naive question: what is "daven?"

Not naive at all. Daven is prayer. Men will mostly gather in the aft galley as they would make a minyen (ten or more men praying) (correct me if I am wro ng, please). Women will pray in the aisle and usually alone.
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 10):
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
Naive question: what is "daven?"

Not naive at all. Daven is prayer. Men will mostly gather in the aft galley as they would make a minyen (ten or more men praying) (correct me if I am wro ng, please). Women will pray in the aisle and usually alone.

You hit it right on. Daven is, I believe, the Yiddish word for "pray" or "to pray". As far as a minyan goes, I believe only strict orthodoxy exlcudes women. I think that most non-orthodox synagogues allow women to participate.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
I have heard that flight crews prefer the longer block hours per segment. For example they can block more hours working ATL-TLV than ATL-LGW and be away from home for about the same amount of time. For those who have second careers, this can translate into more monthly income (more hours flown+more time spent on 2nd career?). Maybe I am generalizing - it's my understanding that a lot of senior attendants can "work their schedules" to maximize flying while minimizing time away from home.

I would also imagine for those who have been flying for a number of years, the shopping, touristy stuff etc. loses it's luster and it's about racking in your monthly quota.

You're right. High time flying (that is high time and less days away) usually go pretty senior because you can work less days to make your monthly time. As I understand, NRT goes pretty senior too for that reason, as does IST and FCO.
 
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
I do have to ask the DL crews something...do you allow the passengers to daven? Do you make announcements? What area do they use to daven?

We have passengers go to the back galley to daven. Usually about an hour, sometimes less. Some ISMs make announcements, like "for those wishing to daven, please go to the back galley", or along those lines. The customers REALLY appreciate it.

I am not a flight attendant, but I have completed the TLV familiarization course that flight crews must complete prior to working DL152/153. Passengers are of course allowed to daven aboard DL152/153. No announcement is mandated by DL policy, but crews aboard the TLV flights are reminded to keep the aft galley tidy at all times and inform those who ask that the aft galley would be a suitable area for prayer.

It should go without saying, but in response to some uninformed comments previously made on this thread, DL boards Glatt Kosher meals and Kosher wine on DL152/153 and usually has the catering service on standby in both ATL and TLV, ready to board more Kosher meals on short notice in order to avoid the unpleasant situation of running short.

DL152/153 are staffed with at least one Hebrew and one Arabic language qualified flight attendant.

Flight attendants are fully briefed on political and cultural differences within the Middle East, right down to the fact that these factors drive a larger than usual number of seat change requests aboard DL152/153, and are reminded to be in the aisles during boarding and make themselves available to assist those passengers who wish to change seats.

It is also worth noting that Delta and Continental share information and cooperate on security and safety related matters in TLV, including a recent B777 related operational problem that both carriers experienced there.

I have come to understand that we do a very nice service to and from Tel Aviv and I am looking forward to experiencing it myself later this summer.... if I can get on.

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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 8):

thats gross generalisation on your part to say that flights to India have obnoxious passengers.
I am sure all routes have their share of pleasant & obnoxious passengers.
Just for my information, have you ever travelled on a flight to India ?
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting AI (Reply 13):
Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 8):


thats gross generalisation on your part to say that flights to India have obnoxious passengers.
I am sure all routes have their share of pleasant & obnoxious passengers.
Just for my information, have you ever travelled on a flight to India ?
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Yes I've flown plenty of times to India enroute to Asia and all I hear is fingers snapping and "service service" . Totally rude and even one fa told another of his collegues that the next thing they'll ask for is his shoes.

Oh bye the way, do a search on the worlds worst passengers and you will get alot of people of India who are member of this forum that will agree with me.

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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting DeltaSFO (Reply 12):
Flight attendants are fully briefed on political and cultural differences within the Middle East, right down to the fact that these factors drive a larger than usual number of seat change requests aboard DL152/153, and are reminded to be in the aisles during boarding and make themselves available to assist those passengers who wish to change seats.

Can you elaborate on this? Is it just folks not wanting to sit next to people of a different/particular ethnicity or religion? Or are there other cultural sensitivities at work?

Thanks in advance for helping me broaden my perspective.

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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:23 pm

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 14):
Yes I've flown plenty of times to India enroute to Asia and all I hear is fingers snapping and "service service" . Totally rude and even one fa told another of his collegues that the next thing they'll ask for is his shoes.

Oh bye the way, do a search on the worlds worst passengers and you will get alot of people of India who are member of this forum that will agree with me.

good day.
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I have travelled lots of times to India as well & I have never heard a single passenger snap his fingers & say service service. You get all sorts on all routes but to say that all pax on India flights are obnoxious is unfair.
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:27 pm

Quoting SpruceMoose (Reply 15):
Can you elaborate on this? Is it just folks not wanting to sit next to people of a different/particular ethnicity or religion? Or are there other cultural sensitivities at work?

It's both. Jewish passengers and those of Arab descent probably don't want to sit next to each other due to the political tensions. Also, many Orthodox Jewish men will not sit next to a woman who appears to be in her child bearing years.
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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:10 pm

Quoting AI (Reply 13):
thats gross generalisation on your part to say that flights to India have obnoxious passengers.
I am sure all routes have their share of pleasant & obnoxious passengers.
Just for my information, have you ever travelled on a flight to India ?
AI



Quoting AI (Reply 16):
have travelled lots of times to India as well & I have never heard a single passenger snap his fingers & say service service. You get all sorts on all routes but to say that all pax on India flights are obnoxious is unfair.
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I travelled through India on AF flights when they were not nonstop to BKK. I was working in BKK at the time so I expeirienced this first hand )about 19 times. Now, the Indians next to me were extremely polite, but they always treated the cabin crew as if they were servants. I know this has been discussed before, so check this out: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1201692

Please note that many Indians agree as I do.

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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:21 pm

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 18):
the Indians next to me were extremely polite, but they always treated the cabin crew as if they were servants.

Here was I thinking that flight attendants are there to serve us. What was I thinking? Does BA still carry the slogan 'to fly to serve'?


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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:44 pm

Flight Attendants are primarily there for our safety in case of an accident. Not to serve us dinner and cocktails - that is at the bottom of their list. Countless people have been saved by FAs during accidents because they have the training to act in such situations.

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RE: TLV Popular With Delta Crews?

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:37 pm

I have flown to India many times as crew. What I have found is that Indians have a higher expectation of customer service. It is the same customer service they expect at home in India.

I don't find the passengers demanding. Just wanting of service.

Quoting DeltaSFO (Reply 17):
Also, many Orthodox Jewish men will not sit next to a woman who appears to be in her child bearing years.

Also, men in certain sects of the Jewish faith won't sit next to a woman who is not a family member.

This makes makes boarding fun.
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