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Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:40 am

Just talked with some folks fighting the big fires in San Bernardino County today and they tell me that a DC 10 is going to be flying out of the US Forest Service Fire Tanker Base at SBD today. I was there yesterday and took some pictures of the Orions and Neptunes. If I can verify and get a picture of the DC10 I'll try to upload it...

Check out these links for some cool fire maps:

http://calmast.org

http://www.esri.com/disaster_response/journalistmaps.html
 
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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:04 am

That would be nice to see actually fighting a fire.  bouncy 


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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:56 am

How does the DC10 pick up water then? Surely with the underslung engines it wouldn't be able to pick it up from a lake or the sea?

Would it have to return to "somewhere" and refilled via a tap into the water supply? Wouldn't that take far too long to be any use in putting the fire out?

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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 2):
Would it have to return to "somewhere" and refilled via a tap into the water supply? Wouldn't that take far too long to be any use in putting the fire out?

Yes and no. Fire hydrants can discharge around 1500 to 2000 gallons a minute. It would take about 17 minutes to fill the DC-10 from a standard hydrant. Less time with larger plumbing.

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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:22 am

Rob: The DC10 has to go back to an airfield to get a refill. Takes 8 minutes. Some more details: http://www.airsider.com/files/2005/0605/010/airtanker.htm

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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:20 am

....'Bout time...............all they have to do is fly by at level flight just high enough not to kill anybody below, and make it rain!!!!...

Laugh at me know.....but why can't they use A-10 Warthogs, with minimal impact bombs, and crater the leading edge of the fires enough to thwart the rush of the fire, creating huge holes of dirt, in the fire line advance - I think it should be tried, as what else can they do...? Any experts out there that have thought of the same thing....? All it would take would be the top of a ridge-or just below- maybe 3-4 times, to cascade the dirt down the hill back towards the fire at strategic locations at the front of the fire.....it would eliminate most of the vegetation - then the Air tankers might be able to knock it down....until the hand crews can contain it............

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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting SJC-Alien (Reply 5):
Laugh at me know.....but why can't they use A-10 Warthogs, with minimal impact bombs, and crater the leading edge of the fires enough to thwart the rush of the fire, creating huge holes of dirt,

And if a few of the bombs are duds, you've then got a bunch of UXO scattered around for the firefighters to deal with.
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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:31 pm

....only a few should be dropped anyways, I didn't say drop a 1,000 bombs. Military ordanance people can attend and help out.... it's not like the fire scene would be littered with UXO, so I don't see it as a problem. Besides, if the FD's are anywhere keen to 'training' their FF's, then they know to look out for them...and not walk up and hit it with an axe. Wink

I think it should be done - one well placed air drop would definetly alter the vegetation that is burning. One thing for certain, the nay-sayers will debunk it because it's 'out of the box' thinking.

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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:50 pm

According to the media, it flew Sunday and dropped retardant this time, not water.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/s...s_Local_D_heartzone17.1fdf423.html
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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:27 am

It costs $52000 a day ?  boggled 
 
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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:35 am

Where is Evergreens 747...last report was at Mojave after earlier tests. This would be a perfect sales time.
 
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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 10):
Where is Evergreens 747...last report was at Mojave after earlier tests. This would be a perfect sales time.

Grrrr beat me to it!
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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting Visityyj (Reply 9):
It costs $52000 a day ?

When not comparing it to the alternatives the number has little meaning.
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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:34 am

Hey all,

I am on a 48 hour break having just returned home from 4 straight days on the Millard fire which has since merged together with the Sawtooth fire. I can confirm that a DC-10 was used as it flew over my crew's and my own head at a low altitude and speed. I don't have any more specifics as to the exact drop location as we were busy dealing with structure protection at the time. Just wanted to let you know my observations from the front lines. Whatever your religious point of view may be, I ask for your thoughts for those still on the firelines and pray that the forecasted lighting storms for this afternoon do not materialize as that will create a whole nother set of issues. And that the temps. and winds relent soon. Thanks in advance. And now it's time for a long nap...Take care.

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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:45 am

For those interested, the California Dept of Forestry has put out a press release and a fact sheet about their use of the DC-10.

What makes this significant is that the aircraft just got final certification for use yesterday and then took to the sky.

press release:
CDF Uses DC-10 to Drop Retardant on Sawtooth Fire
Jet Aircraft Marks Historic First for Firefighting
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/pub/cdf/images/incidentnews94_245.pdf

Fact sheet:
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/pub/cdf/images/incidentnews94_246.pdf
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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:22 pm

I posted a thread about this the other day but it got deleted. I don't know why. Pretty good news for the DC-10 and 747 water bomber program though!
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RE: Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 15):
I posted a thread about this the other day but it got deleted

It was a duplicate of this thread and this one was started first.

It'll be interesting if they use it to fight the Minnesota fire. It's a quick 100 miles to DLH (Duluth, MN) to refill.

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