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US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:04 am

I remember back a few years ago US had some mainline/Express flights out of JFK. When and why were they dropped, and what routes did they fly out of JFK?

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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:10 am

Those flights were set up to connect to BA's Concorde service (and their regular 747 service). When BA booted US for AA, US had no reason to keep serving JFK.
 
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:28 am

Dont forget that BA, at one time, had a signficant ownership interest in US. One service was a DHC8 that flew from DCA to JFK to connect to Concorde...it was a corrdinated connection and the flight was marketed as a special Concorde connecting flight. In earlier times, US flew out of JFK to PIT, and going way back to the Allegheny times, there were flights from JFK to upstate New York cities....for some reason, I remember US (or AL) operating out of the Pan Am terminal providing some feed to PA's overseas flights.

US dropped its shorthaul flights out of JFK simply because most passengers in the NYC area prefer the convience of LGA (where US has a big station) or EWR for domestic flying.....thus the limited services to JFK were dropped.
 
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
for some reason, I remember US (or AL) operating out of the Pan Am terminal providing some feed to PA's overseas flights.

AL actually had an interline agreement with PA at JFK. I have a combined PA/AL timetable, with service from the AL cities to the PA cities from 1973. A VERY rare timetable and very interesting read.
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):

AL actually had an interline agreement with PA at JFK. I have a combined PA/AL timetable, with service from the AL cities to the PA cities from 1973. A VERY rare timetable and very interesting read.

Thanks so much for the confirmation....I thought that I remembered seeing AL D9S and possibly BAC111 aircraft parked at the Pan Am JFK terminal when I was a youngster.
 
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:38 am

Until this year. Remember US did start a 3x daily service to and from CLT, for competition against B6.
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 5):
Until this year. Remember US did start a 3x daily service to and from CLT, for competition against B6.

Good point......and HP serves JFK with flights to PHX and LAS, doesnt it?
 
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:42 am

I remember not to long ago (early 90's), US had a pretty signifigant presence at JFK. There were numerous flights from PIT, DCA, PHL, and even MCO, and YHZ were served. Not sure of CLT frequencies.
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting Dutchjet:
Good point......and HP serves JFK with flights to PHX and LAS, doesnt it?

Yes, that's how US got the slots so quickly they went through HP.Also all flights into JFK from CLT are operated by HP cabin crew and HP aircraft.
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 7):
I remember not to long ago (early 90's), US had a pretty signifigant presence at JFK. There were numerous flights from PIT, DCA, PHL, and even MCO, and YHZ were served. Not sure of CLT frequencies.

YHZ has never been served by US Airways or any of its predecessor companies. I do recall a JFK-YOW run in the early '90s, that was one of Empire's former routes, acquired by Piedmont in 1986. The last US Airways flight to JFK before the merger was in late 1998 from MCO. It operated two days a week.
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:52 am

I remember when US served JFK, the current T2 is where they went from. Correct me if I am wrong, but they served JFK with a B762 if I remember right?
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 9):
YHZ has never been served by US Airways or any of its predecessor companies. I do recall a JFK-YOW run in the early '90s, that was one of Empire's former routes, acquired by Piedmont in 1986. The last US Airways flight to JFK before the merger was in late 1998 from MCO. It operated two days a week.

My fault, I meant YOW. Do you happen to know why they operated that MCO flight?
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 8):
Yes, that's how US got the slots so quickly they went through HP.Also all flights into JFK from CLT are operated by HP cabin crew and HP aircraft.

JFK is not slot restricted.
 
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:16 am

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 8):
Also all flights into JFK from CLT are operated by HP cabin crew and HP aircraft.

When they begin September 6, it will be Mesa aircraft and crew.
 
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 12):
JFK is not slot restricted.

During certain hours it is.
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:02 am

Allegheny use to fly ITH-JFK with BAC 1-11's. Empire also flew the route for many years with F-28's.
 
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:10 am

Did US ever fly out of the TWA terminal?
 
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 7):
I remember not to long ago (early 90's), US had a pretty signifigant presence at JFK. There were numerous flights from PIT,

Does anyone think PIT-JFK will resume so that US can better compete with B6, or do you think US doesn't really care?
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:04 am

Quote:
When they begin September 6, it will be Mesa aircraft and crew.

My fault. I realized later on terrible info.
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 14):

During certain hours it is.

JFK is not slot restricted. They may have a shortage of gates at certain times, but they do not have slots. Any airline is free to add flights whenever they would like (assuming they have gates). DL did not need slots to start their Dash 8 flights, or B6 and their new routes all the time.
 
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting WidgetBoi (Reply 16):
Did US ever fly out of the TWA terminal?

USAir did fly out of TWA's International Terminal A, later known as Terminal 5. From what I remember they had 2 gates in Flight Wing 2. At one point it was Piedmont operating the flights to connect to TWA's evening International bank, and the PI flights were even included in the TWA timetables.

I can vividly remember a USAir DC9 or two at the gates, along with a Shorts 360. I would assume PHL and CLT were two of the destinations, but would have to find an old timetable to be sure.....
 
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:21 pm

They also operated out of the BA terminal during that short lived marriage. I remember getting on a US DC-9 to PIT and looking over and WAY up at a BA 747 about to depart for LHR (and wishing I was on it too!)
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:22 pm

Quoting N905TW (Reply 20):
USAir did fly out of TWA's International Terminal A, later known as Terminal 5. From what I remember they had 2 gates in Flight Wing 2. At one point it was Piedmont operating the flights to connect to TWA's evening International bank, and the PI flights were even included in the TWA timetables.

I can vividly remember a USAir DC9 or two at the gates, along with a Shorts 360. I would assume PHL and CLT were two of the destinations, but would have to find an old timetable to be sure.....

USAir and Piedmont both had marketing deals with TWA. USAir's ended around early 1991, about the time TWA sold the LHR routes to AA. Both PI and AL had frequent-flyer partnerships with TWA. I do remember the USAir-codeshared flights from JFK to ALB, BUF, GSO, RDU, ROC, and SYR by TWA. After that, USAir moved into Terminal 7 with BA, as part of their alliance, which lasted until March 29, 1997, when it was terminated. US Airways pulled out of JFK about a year/year-and-a-half later.

The cities that USAir served from JFK included BWI, BUF, CLT, GSO, YOW, PHL, PIT, RDU, ROC, SYR, and DCA in the early 1990s. I'd have to look through my 1980s USAir scheds for that info.
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RE: US Airways At JFK

Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 19):
JFK is not slot restricted.

JFK is very much restricted.

Its designated as such by the FAA. Called the "High Density Rule" flight activity between 3pm - 7:59pm is restricted. One must hold a reservation or "exemption" to be able to operate during the time frame.
http://www.fly.faa.gov/ecvrs/circulars/ac93-1eff100102.pdf

For instance when Jetblue was formed, it needed the help of several politicians including Senator Schumer to help grant it the required exemptions.
http://www.dot.gov/affairs/1999/dot13999.htm

Even Neelman was quoted as saying
"JetBlue's very existence is in part a result of the 1994 FAA Reauthorization law which created slot exemptions at all High Density Rule airports"
Basically without the exemptions, there would be no Jetblue at JFK at least.

Airlines simply cannot start service at JFK during the 3-7:59pm range without holding the required slots.
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