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Is ATR Just Sitting And Watching?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:23 am

How come ATR doesn't discuss challenging Bombardier on the Q400X? Just imagine the Q400X being a huge success. Very likely IMO with oil prices increasing and larger size turboprops getting more attractive.
The sales of the ATR-42 are not exactly good. The -72 is getting old. But with the financial ressources increasing by having sold many ATR-72s lately, shouldn't ATR use that extra cash to invest in future projects? This must be the only manufacturer (which still exists) not having developed anything new within 20 years.

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RE: Is ATR Just Sitting And Watching?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:32 am

very good question indeed.... as the ATR42 was the first plane I ever made a commercial flight on (NUE-CDG on good ol' NFD) and also rode on the ATRs also quite frequently when I was young, I always kinda liked the ATRs, even if partly just for sentimental reasons...

but it made me wonder, given the huge success of the CRJs and ERJs, why doesn't ATR develop an "ATR-Jet" or so...?
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RE: Is ATR Just Sitting And Watching?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 1):
but it made me wonder, given the huge success of the CRJs and ERJs, why doesn't ATR develop an "ATR-Jet" or so...?

I read in one of my aviation books that was indeed a plan for a while at ATR, just like the ATR82 (or 92, whatever they would call it). I don't think at the moment the jet is a smart idea, better go ahead with the stretch of the ATR 72. BTW the ATR72-500 is not that old, and IIRC burns less fuel (is also lighter) than the Q400, although also slower.
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RE: Is ATR Just Sitting And Watching?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:10 am

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 1):
but it made me wonder, given the huge success of the CRJs and ERJs, why doesn't ATR develop an "ATR-Jet" or so...?

Aren't ATR partner Alenia investing in the RRJ project?
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RE: Is ATR Just Sitting And Watching?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 3):
Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 1):
but it made me wonder, given the huge success of the CRJs and ERJs, why doesn't ATR develop an "ATR-Jet" or so...?

Aren't ATR partner Alenia investing in the RRJ project?

Yes, and the other 50% partner is EADS who ownes a company that makes Airbus jets. Both partners seem un-interested in terms of large scale investments for ATR.
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RE: Is ATR Just Sitting And Watching?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:42 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 2):
like the ATR82

Correct.

Quoting FD728 (Thread starter):
How come ATR doesn't discuss challenging Bombardier on the Q400X? Just imagine the Q400X being a huge success. Very likely IMO with oil prices increasing and larger size turboprops getting more attractive.

Turboprops may have become more attractive as of late, but they are still servicing a niche market. With one manufacturer enjoying only modest success with their model (and it really is only modest when compared to its regional jet counterparts), I don't know if it would be wise to produce another rival for such a small market. Besides, ATR is winning business for their used aircraft, and are still producing new aircraft for their new clients in India/Pakistan.
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