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SQ Diverted To RNZAF Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:42 am

Kia Ora all,

Due to the fog in AKL today SQ285 SIN-AKL (on which my family are travelling) was diverted. The lady at the SQ AKL Airport office told me it had been diverted to Ohakea, and was due back in AKL at 1300.

With Ohakea being an Air Force base and all (see http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/hq-and-bases/ohakea.htm if you don't believe me) is it normal when foggy for civil aircraft to be sent there? Are there facilities to handle international pax or do they just have to sit in the aircraft? Was CHC fog covered too? With it being an 744 I suppose AKL and CHC would be the only civilian airports capable of handling this aircraft.

Any insight apreciated.
 
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:29 am

OHA has the thrid longest runway in NZ at 8000ft / 2450m, so is a suitable diversion point for the heavies if AKL is unavailable, although I would have thought CHC would be more ideal. The runway at OHA is also used for some serious military aircraft so I assume the runway strength is suitable for 744s.

767 sized aircraft have more options, including PMR (we did love the Royal Brunei 767 that arrived here when WLG was closed). Apparently 767s can also use HLZ, although I have no idea if any have, or did today.

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Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:32 am

It's actually common to see heavy aircraft at Ohakea when Auckland is closed. AFAIK there aren't any heavy pax aircraft handling facilities, so passengers and crew usually remain onboard the aircraft until departure when AKL is open. My guess is that CHC was closed, as CHC is usually the first choice for a diversion.

I read somewhere that in the event AKL is closed, for heavy aircraft arriving in New Zealand, CHC is first option followed by Ohakea and then Nadi (Cheaper fees than Australia).


http://www.integration.co.nz/aviation/aircraft/Misc/divert.jpg

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Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:34 am

I can remember a United 747 getting diverted to Wellington once when the fog closed AKL. Maybe it was a one time occurrence.
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting Axio (Reply 1):
767 sized aircraft have more options, including PMR (we did love the Royal Brunei 767 that arrived here when WLG was closed). Apparently 767s can also use HLZ, although I have no idea if any have, or did today.

Actually, the chartered 767 was originally going to Auckland, but because AKL was closed they diverted to PMR because the Sultan on board didn't want to go to WLG and they didn't have enough fuel for CHC. Ohakea also wouldn't let them land there due to some sort of procedural complication. Because the B767 was fairly light as it was on charter, it was ok for PMR. A regular passenger aircraft that size wouldn't divert to PMR. Rather sad really. The A320's are quite boring now..  Sad

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Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:43 am

I see that Ohakea is on the North Island. As with all other airlines, SQ has a list of preferred diversion points for each station. I am guessing that this point in the North Island was chosen over CHC so that SQ can have the option ofdisembarking and bussing passengers to AKL if the fog does not clear (assuming of course that immigration and customs officers are available at Ohakea or can be sent there to clear deplaned passengers. Even if they are not available, the paxs can still be bussed on the condition that no one can get off the bus until they reach the arrivals facility at AKL). This would not have been an option at CHC or any other South Island point; the passengers and crew would have to sit on the ground waiting (perhaps indefinitely) for the fog to clear. And, if the crew runs out of hours, then we're in trouble!
 
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:00 am

Looks like SQ 747 wasn't the only aircraft diverted there this morning. TG had a 346 due to land at AKL and apparently it landed Ohakea as well. Which needs more lengthy runway? 744 or 346?

And a NZ 772 from Singapore also diverted there.

[Edited 2006-07-18 04:02:19]
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:25 am

CHC weather was marginal this morning, Ohakea was more suitable.
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 6):
Looks like SQ 747 wasn't the only aircraft diverted there this morning. TG had a 346 due to land at AKL and apparently it landed Ohakea as well

The online AKL arrivals board has been updated and yes the TG a/c was diverted to Ohakea also.

Quoting Axio (Reply 1):
767 sized aircraft have more options, including PMR (we did love the Royal Brunei 767 that arrived here when WLG was closed). Apparently 767s can also use HLZ, although I have no idea if any have, or did today.

Looks like WLG received a 763 (NZ9)

NZ747 thanks for the photos. I like the first one especially as it shows two things that are uncommon sights at Ohakea, an NZ 744 and RNZAF jet fighters !

[Edited 2006-07-18 04:49:33]
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:57 am

What about Whenupai? Is it ever used as a diversion point? Or is the runway not long enough? I suspect it has a lot more in passenger facilities than Ohakea. then again, it may have been fogged in as well.
 
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 9):
then again, it may have been fogged in as well.

Given it is only 15nm away, chances are weather affecting Auckland International would also affect Whenuapai. Also, the runway is only 2000m in length, and not as strong as the ones at Auckland or Ohakea.

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Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:25 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
I can remember a United 747 getting diverted to Wellington once when the fog closed AKL. Maybe it was a one time occurrence.

Are you sure that wasn't PMR? I'm pretty sure WLG is too short, or can it handle a heavy in a pinch?
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 2):
I read somewhere that in the event AKL is closed, for heavy aircraft arriving in New Zealand, CHC is first option followed by Ohakea and then Nadi (Cheaper fees than Australia).

Ohakea is so much closer to AKL than CHC. Surely diversion there would cost the airline less time and money, and the passengers less time? And, as has been mentioned, if things get really bad, it is only a few hours by road to AKL...I wonder what the local civilian accommodation is like?
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:54 pm

From www.nzcity.co.nz


Grumpy passengers stuck at Ohakea
Ten jumbo jets full of passengers are at Ohakea air base after being diverted from Auckland due to fog
Auckland Airport
Auckland Airport
18 July 2006

Up to ten jumbo jets crammed with passengers are sitting on the runway at Ohakea airport near Palmerston North.

They have been diverted to the RNZAF air base because of fog at Auckland airport. As an air force base, it does not have the kind of passenger facilities which might be available at an international airport.

One of the passengers, who does not want to be named, says he has been told it will be hours yet before they can fly on to Auckland.

In the meantime he says they have run out of food, there is no drink and half the toilets are blocked.

The passenger says he boarded his flight in China yesterday morning and the mood amongst his fellow passengers is pretty grumpy.

Meanwhile Auckland airport says the fog has lifted, and while planes are flying again there are significant delays.


I've got a couple of photo's from Ohakea this morning and they show the Air NZ Planes, a Thai, and an Atlas 747
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:00 pm

I saw the UA 747 that diverted to WLG. It stopped in no more than 70% of the runway. The whole population of the Koru Club rose to its feet as though the Queen had entered. Even more surprising is that it departed with its passengers still on board later in the day.

The story of the diversion became a very rapid news blackout. It had diverted to CHC, but CHC then became marginal and there wasn't enough fuel to get back to Ohakea. The rules were changed after that with the result that I twice was on UA 747s that went into NAN when AKL was shut and CHC doubtful. However NZ have landed 747s here a couple of times at least. Then, of course, there were the QF 747SPs.

Ohakea is a last resort because it is the case that there are no facilities for disembarkation. Back in the 70s I saw a Pan Am 747 landing there.
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:11 pm

This has just been on the New Zealand evening news. 4 passenger flights (SQ, TG, NZ and NZ) and one freight (Atlas 747). 1400 passengers stuck on board for 7 hours because of no customs facilities. They didn't bring them from PMR because there was nowhere to put them if they did get off, and there was a need to take off at the first opportunity.

CHC was indeed marginal. Interviewed passengers a mixture of grumpy and amused. Airlines told people nothing, but text messaging came to the rescue for families.
 
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:28 pm

surely being a airforce base, they would be able to secure some facilitys for the passengers
 
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:29 pm

Well you have a certain controversial mayor (not the present one) and the ensuing privatisation of the airport at AKL to thank for the pathetic level of investment in NZ's primary gateway....
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:35 pm

I must admit, I was suprised to hear the likes of 'New Zealand One Heavy' and 'Singapore Two Eight Five' on the Ohakea radio frequency at around 1700 NZDT
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:35 pm

Atlas Air also diverted there. Good for planespotters not the passengers.

With regard to Virginflyers earlier post on Whenuapai the largest aircraft to have landed there are a C5A Galaxy and Tristar. The C5A Galaxy has short field capability and the RAF Tristar was empty and attended an airshow.
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:17 pm

May we see the photos, JaseWGTN?
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:21 pm

Hi Xiaotung,

Here they are. They are from the kiwiflightsim group like



and




Regards
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[Edited 2006-07-18 09:22:28]
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting Rongotai (Reply 14):
I saw the UA 747 that diverted to WLG. It stopped in no more than 70% of the runway.

There used to be a video online of that somewhere, but I can't find it now - perhaps someone else might have access to it?

Really, the sooner Auckland gets Cat III ILS, the better - these fog closures seem to be an almost weekly occurance during winter, some (like today's) worse than others...

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Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:17 pm

Didn't New Zealand decommision/get rid of it's airforce many years ago? It relies on Australia for air protection.
What would it use the base for then, apart from this occasion.
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:24 pm

Its on Auntie Helen Clark's ten year plan to move operations from RNZAF Whenuapai to RNZAF Ohakea. Hopefully the lovely woman will be ousted before that happens.
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:24 pm

Quoting Qantasclub (Reply 23):
Didn't New Zealand decommision/get rid of it's airforce many years ago? It relies on Australia for air protection.
What would it use the base for then, apart from this occasion.

Actually, technically New Zealand doesn't rely on the Australians for air protection as the government has deemed the need for air protection of our land unnecessary. I believe there is no formal agreement with Oz to give any sort of protection except on international peacekeeping missions abroad, where I understand the Skyhawks were never deployed anyway.

NZ still has an airforce comprised of Orions, Hercules and 757s. The bases are needed for sea patrols and for civil defence purposes. Don't forget that most of New Zealand is on a geological fault line. An airforce isn't just about having an attack wing.

[Edited 2006-07-18 10:27:57]
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:26 pm

Quoting Qantasclub (Reply 23):
Didn't New Zealand decommision/get rid of it's airforce many years ago?

Um, no. It decomissioned the air combat and strike forces. Might I suggest you take a look at their website: http://www.airforce.mil.nz/

I believe the long term plan is to concentrate all activity at Ohakea, and close Whenuapai and Woodbourne...

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Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:03 pm

A guest of the hotel told me that while they were waiting at AKL this morning, that a heavy attempted a landing at 8am, and got it but burst tires on landing and they also caused delays????
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:08 pm

Quoting Ex_SQer (Reply 5):
I see that Ohakea is on the North Island. As with all other airlines, SQ has a list of preferred diversion points for each station. I am guessing that this point in the North Island was chosen over CHC so that SQ can have the option ofdisembarking and bussing passengers to AKL if the fog does not clear (assuming of course that immigration and customs officers are available at Ohakea or can be sent there to clear deplaned passengers. Even if they are not available, the paxs can still be bussed on the condition that no one can get off the bus until they reach the arrivals facility at AKL). This would not have been an option at CHC or any other South Island point; the passengers and crew would have to sit on the ground waiting (perhaps indefinitely) for the fog to clear. And, if the crew runs out of hours, then we're in trouble!

yeah......if you fancy a 7 hour bus trip.....  Yeah sure
if AKL is closed then CHC is always the first choice for a diversion from AKL followed by OHA. If enroute from the US then NAN is preferred if it looks like AKL and CHC will be affected as it is not much of a detour and is a safe option.

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 9):
What about Whenupai? Is it ever used as a diversion point? Or is the runway not long enough? I suspect it has a lot more in passenger facilities than Ohakea. then again, it may have been fogged in as well.

Too small.... max size would be 767. Also runway is not strong enough.

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 22):
Really, the sooner Auckland gets Cat III ILS, the better - these fog closures seem to be an almost weekly occurance during winter, some (like today's) worse than others...

I totally agree. Whilst the Airways Corp is the outfit that owns/runs Nav equipment in New Zealand, in reality it comes down to Auckland Airport being too stingy to invest!
AKL gets fog affected usually only a handful of days a year (and only usually in the early morning).... last year and this year have been particularly bad for whatever reason. On a side note I don't think there is a Cat III landing system anywhere in the southern hemisphere... SYD has a Cat II. AKL is however affected more often than SYD.
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:20 pm

Quoting Rongotai (Reply 15):
CHC was indeed marginal.

CHC was more than marginal, it was near whiteout due to fog/low cloud till around 12.30pm.

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Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:46 pm

Ah well.. maybe when PMR completes its runway extensions (http://www.pnairport.co.nz/news59.php3) in 2010 then at least the passengers will have somewhere to go. (Although I'm not sure how well three immigration desks would serve a 747.. !)  Smile
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:48 pm

Quoting Axio (Reply 30):
Ah well.. maybe when PMR completes its runway extensions (http://www.pnairport.co.nz/news59.php3) in 2010 then at least the passengers will have somewhere to go. (Although I'm not sure how well three immigration desks would serve a 747.. !

From what I know, even with the extension, a 747 would not be able to do well at PMR. (It may be very touch and go)
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 26):
I believe the long term plan is to concentrate all activity at Ohakea, and close Whenuapai and Woodbourne...

From three air bases to just one, and after disbanding the strike wing ?. Jeez, what have the Air Force done to upset the powers that be in NZ ?.
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:45 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 31):
From what I know, even with the extension, a 747 would not be able to do well at PMR. (It may be very touch and go)

Nice pun  Wink.

If they are extending the runway to 2500m, that should be enough to get a 747 in and back out with a light fuel load. Obviously it would depend on the pavement strength as well. Of course, the next question to ask is how often is PMR affected by adverse weather?

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Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting Pieinthesky (Reply 32):
Jeez, what have the Air Force done to upset the powers that be in NZ ?.

Maybe nothing. Maybe the New Zealand govt, rightly or wrongly, has assessed the threat in the foreseeable future of attack by air from foreign countries to be so small to make putting millions into home-based air fighter defence to be a waste of scarce resources. The geographic position of the country makes it as extraordinarily difficult to attack as well as to defend. The policy shift may not be as big at it seems. There is in real terms little difference between having no air defence at all and having the sort of equipment the air force had for the previous fifty years...
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting Pieinthesky (Reply 32):
From three air bases to just one, and after disbanding the strike wing ?. Jeez, what have the Air Force done to upset the powers that be in NZ ?.

Nothing much - just no money to spend on them, apparently.
As others have said, we DO have an airforce, but only transport role, sea patrol, and civil defence roles. Also we apparently do not need to be defended - perhaps because we have few natural resources, no uranium to speak of, and no enemies the government can think of!?
Also, Whenuapai's runways are falling to pieces and no-one seems to be maintaining them, it isn't even certificated, although Ohakea is. Also, Ohakea is in the central part of the country, and fairly close to Wellington. Woodbourne shares its runway with the civil airport at Blenheim.

What category ILS does Auckland have? And WLG/CHC/DUD for that matter... Ohakea and Whenuapai are also equipped with ILS - I suspect all are Cat I.
Does AKL have the money to upgrade to Cat II, let alone Cat III?

It is a pity they couldn't have got Customs out from PMR - 30 minutes away; but then, they had no idea when the aeroplanes would be able to take off again I guess, and might have been in the middle of processing all the passengers...

From AIP New Zealand:

PMR: PCN 35 F/C/X/U 1900m - to be extended to 2500m as above
Unless they raise the PCN as well as extending the runway, a 747 will not be able to land there.
PCN, Subgrade Strength, Tyre KPa, Runway Length... (by NZ8800 Jul 9 2006 in Tech Ops) contains a table explaining this further, but in brief a min loaded 747 needs PCN 26 and a max loaded needs a minimum of PCN 76 on a low subgrade strength runway like PMR.

OHA: PCN 65 F/B/X/T 2447m (2299 when landing from the west) - Ohakea has medium subgrade thus PCN grades range from 23-62 for a 747.


And Palmerston North can also be prone to fog at times. As said above, there are only 3 runways in the country over 2400m at present, not counting the standby runway at AKL. I felt really sorry for the passengers stuck at Ohakea when I watched it all on TV1 news.
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Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:54 pm

Quoting Ex_SQer (Reply 5):
I see that Ohakea is on the North Island. As with all other airlines, SQ has a list of preferred diversion points for each station. I am guessing that this point in the North Island was chosen over CHC so that SQ can have the option ofdisembarking and bussing passengers to AKL if the fog does not clear (assuming of course that immigration and customs officers are available at Ohakea or can be sent there to clear deplaned passengers. Even if they are not available, the paxs can still be bussed on the condition that no one can get off the bus until they reach the arrivals facility at AKL). This would not have been an option at CHC or any other South Island point; the passengers and crew would have to sit on the ground waiting (perhaps indefinitely) for the fog to clear. And, if the crew runs out of hours, then we're in trouble!

CHC is always 1st choice for diversions unfortunately it was closed to landing untill after midday... There are no customs at Ohakea as its a airforce base so no one can leave the planes.. So no option of buses to anywhere unless its a domestic flight that gets diverted there..And due to the risk of of people getting off the bus without going through immigration i can never see them being put on a bus to be put through immigration somewhere else..

unfortuantely ohakea also does not have the resources to all of a sudden cater for an unepected 1500 extra mouths to feed one other problem of being diverted there..
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 36):
And due to the risk of of people getting off the bus without going through immigration i can never see them being put on a bus to be put through immigration somewhere else..

Gotcha. At some diversion points in the network - but I guess not AKL - there are contingency plans to throw everyone and their bags directly from the aircraft onto buses and then whizz them (no stops allowed) to another point to clear immigration and customs.

[Edited 2006-07-18 22:49:28]
 
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Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:01 am

Thanks fullas.. I was aware strength was a factor.. but as a little enthusiast, I appreciate the details  Smile

One thing we couldn't figure out, is that with Ohakea being military base, why something couldn't have been set-up so that passengers could at least have some space to walk around outside for a while.

Now I'm sure all the men and women of our Air Force have important duties to perform. But, for the sake of humanity, I would think it would have been nice to form some kind of cordon around the aircraft and let people out. It was a beautiful day round this part of the country yesterday.

Oh.. btw PMR is open 99.5% of the time, which, as I understand, is the best open rate of NZs international airports.

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Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting Axio (Reply 38):
Oh.. btw PMR is open 99.5% of the time, which, as I understand, is the best open rate of NZs international airports.

wouldn't that be open 99.5% of the time that international flights are due at PMR?

Quoting NZ8800 (Reply 35):
What category ILS does Auckland have? And WLG/CHC/DUD for that matter... Ohakea and Whenuapai are also equipped with ILS - I suspect all are Cat I.
Does AKL have the money to upgrade to Cat II, let alone Cat III?

AKL has a Cat I... there are plans to upgrade to Cat IIIa within 3 years I think but not Cat IIIb.
CHC also has a Cat I ILS. WLG has ILS but can't have a Cat I standard due to terrain, but they are looking at alternatives such as RNP approaches (as used at ZQN).
OHA is a Cat I
WP does have ILS but not to Cat 1 standard.
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:27 pm

Just on one news - AKL will get lights for landing in fog in 15 months time, won't be operational until 2008. I wonder if it yesterday sped up their decision.. In the pic above did I see 5 passenger planes?? All reports have said 4..
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:43 pm

The 5th. a/c was Atlas Cargo
 
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 40):
In the pic above did I see 5 passenger planes?? All reports have said 4..

Not unless Atlas have started carrying PAX. No there is 4 pax and a 744F.
 
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:28 pm

Whoops sorry, my bad. Mind blank..
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:44 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 28):
in reality it comes down to Auckland Airport being too stingy to invest!

Couldn't agree more..
 
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:56 pm

Airline still considering compensation
19/07/2006 16:12:02

Singapore Airlines is yet to consider whether it will offer compensation to passengers left stranded at the RNZAF's Ohakea Airbase near Palmerston North.

Hundreds of passengers were forced to wait hours in stationary aircraft while fog cleared at Auckland Airport yesterday.

A passenger aboard a Singapore Airlines flight, Paul Treneary, is demanding an apology for the lack of provisions for irritated passengers. He says there was not enough food, air conditioning or toilet facilities to cater for the situation.

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Airline slammed over Ohakea wait
19/07/2006 12:48:02

An irate passenger who sat on a stalled flight at Ohakea RNZAF air base near Palmerston North for nine hours yesterday is demanding an apology from Singapore Airlines.

Paul Treneary was just one of hundreds forced to sit and wait it out before the fog at Auckland airport cleared.

He says it is unacceptable that the airline did not provide enough food, entertainment, or air conditioning to cater for such situations.

Mr Treneary says he is in the process of writing a strongly worded letter.

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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:58 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 45):
it is unreasonable of people to expect food and entertainment at a military air-base



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Mr Wild says the event was unique and unpredictable



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the airline cannot control the weather

some of the funniest things from airline officials I've heard on these forums for a while! (smile).

It would be interesting to know how often Ohakea is used (in this unpredictable manner...). Surely for Ohakea to have been used there was some predictability in that? Surely these big travel companies, with their considerable managerial resources and intelligence, might have had some plan in place for just these occasions? The weather in New Zealand is hardly without blemish, especially in the heart of winter. Ohakea is not exactly the Gobi desert! There are several towns, even cities, not far away, with good food, beverages, and willing people to provide them in these unpredictable but expected occurrences...Or else the New Zealand defence forces have considerable catering abilities, especially for large groups confined in small spaces - after all, these poor souls were their guests...
 
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:43 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 45):
Paul Treneary

This must be the guy my mum told me about that was on her plane. Said there was a TV1 News exec/manager on the plane, which is the reason why TV1 made a big(er) issue about this than TV3.

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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:48 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 40):
Just on one news - AKL will get lights for landing in fog in 15 months time, won't be operational until 2008. I wonder if it yesterday sped up their decision.. In the pic above did I see 5 passenger planes?? All reports have said 4..

I saw that clip too... don't recall them saying anything about lights though...?
What they were referring too (without actually saying it since it would go straight over the general publics head) is installing improved ILS systems to at least cat II but most likely cat III. Don't expect them to fork out for cat IIIb or c systems however (the ability to have the autopilot keep the aircraft on the centerline along the runway with improved taxi lighting, expect "follow me" cars instead).

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 45):
A passenger aboard a Singapore Airlines flight, Paul Treneary, is demanding an apology for the lack of provisions for irritated passengers. He says there was not enough food, air conditioning or toilet facilities to cater for the situation.

Oh boo hoo... go and have a cry to your mummy Mr Treneary. First things first the APU would have been running... and on here we all know that a running APU provides 2 things in particular...power and airconditioning. It is winter so pax were not sitting there sweltering in heat, and SQ has individual screens in each seat so there would have been plenty to keep people occupied for that time (as well as people being able to use cellphones if they needed to). The food is an issue however, perhaps SQ and others should have organised the caterers for PMR (30mins away) to load up some meals and bring them over (plenty of time for that).

Next time the weather decides to make some fog it should stop and think about Mr Treneary... give me a break.
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RE: SQ Diverted To Rnzaf Ohakea - Common Occurance?

Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:53 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 48):
It is winter so pax were not sitting there sweltering in heat, and SQ has individual screens in each seat so there would have been plenty to keep people occupied for that time (as well as people being able to use cellphones if they needed to). T

While I share your dislike of Mr Treneary, just to clarify the IFE was not operating at any time, and mobile phones were asked to be turned off most the time, although I doubt they were - something to do with the air force of something maybe I don't know.