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US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:33 pm

I was just wondering if US was still the launch customer for the A350, and if they still plan to buy the -800 series? I think that plane would look amazing in US' colors.
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:49 pm

Right now it's a "paper" airplane. It's anyone's guess who the launch customer will be 6 years from now when it's said to be available. By that time, US Airways will possibly be indisguishable from today. Parker said recently that he will stick with the 350, but that was before the 2012 date was announced. My guess is that as long as AB offers US some sort of a stop gap deal for something like additional 330-200s and/or some 340s (for East Coast-Asia, etc.), they will remain the "launch" customer.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:07 pm

I'd be surprised if the new 350 shows up in US's fleet, even in 2012. I don't think US will want anything larger than a 333 for a long time to come, unless they start planning flights from the major west coast cities other than PHX to Asia and Europe. But I don't see that happening either.

But then again, 6 years ago, US Airways had just turned from USAir, their fleet was over 400 planes, they were allied with AA (sorta), and their largest plane was a 762. A lot can change in 6 years.
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:21 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
I don't think US will want anything larger than a 333 for a long time to come

Isn't the A350X-800 very comparable in capacity to the A333?
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:17 pm

The US A350 deal was part of a loan package Airbus gave to US Airways to help them transition out of bankruptcy and with their merger with America West Airlines. That is why they are so indifferent to the airplane.
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:38 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3):
Isn't the A350X-800 very comparable in capacity to the A333?

A350 XWB-800 = 270 pax in three classes,
A350 XWB-900 = 314 pax in three classes
A350 XWB-1000 = 350 pax in three classes
Range of 8500nm. (basic model)

A330-300 = 335 pax in two classes
A330-300 = 295 pax in three classes
Range of 5650nm

A330-200 = 253 pax in three classes
A330-200 = 293 pax in two classes
Range of 6400nm

Answer: The A350 XWB-800 carries 25 passengers less than the A330-300 but flies 2850nm more. For US the A350-800 would allow them to do PHX-Europe and PHI-Asia. But could also be abused for the East Coast - Europe market...after all some fly 777-200ER East Coast to Europe and it has a range of 7730nm.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:16 pm

There are still 10 A330-200 orders on the books. Look for that order to be moved up....I highly doubt US would pick up any A340s, even as an interim aircraft. I do however believe that more 757-ER will be acquired, along with the possibility of a few used 767-300s. This all depends of course on future international expansion plans. With the price of fuel continuing to skyrocket and tensions now escalating further in the Middle East and North Korea...we'll just have to wait and see.
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):
A350 XWB-800 = 270 pax in three classes,
A350 XWB-900 = 314 pax in three classes
A350 XWB-1000 = 350 pax in three classes
Range of 8500nm. (basic model)

A330-300 = 335 pax in two classes
A330-300 = 295 pax in three classes
Range of 5650nm

A330-200 = 253 pax in three classes
A330-200 = 293 pax in two classes
Range of 6400nm

US Airways fits its 333s with 266 seats in 3 classes. You can't go by the airbus website.
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:59 pm

Hopefully they cancel and order the 7E7!!!!
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 8):
Hopefully they cancel and order the 7E7!!!!

Or even better the 787! (Just jabbing ya) They didn't order full out though, it was part of BK exit financing. Once they pay Airbus back, they actually can cancel their order. Something tells me that they might actually do that. There have been statements from airbus that they may have some cancelations. I think US is one of them. Though I think the US colors on the A350 will look awsome and on approach to NGO they would look even better.

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
US Airways fits its 333s with 266 seats in 3 classes.

That is even better. Only 4 seat difference based on Airbus' numbers.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
US Airways fits its 333s with 266 seats in 3 classes. You can't go by the airbus website.

Very true, we have increased seat pitch I believe. However I think they are planning on adding more seats to coach...not sure if it's by shrinking the seat pitch or by removing some Envoy seats.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
They didn't order full out though, it was part of BK exit financing. Once they pay Airbus back, they actually can cancel their order.

1) US Airways being in chapter 11 is saved by Airbus providing exit financing (in the form of a loan), in return US Airways promises to buy aircraft from Airbus.

2) US Airways leaves chapter 11 (thanks to Airbus exit financing?) and starts to become profitable again, it can now pay back the loan.

3) A. US keeps their promise and orders the aircraft (whenever they are in need of the aircraft).

3) B. US tells Airbus to get lost and buys aircraft from the competition.

I have no clue what the agreement is between A and US, but it does look like US current better situation is (partially) because of Airbus exit financing. If anything, US should be greatfull and return the favor to Airbus. Dont slap the hand that feeds you, who knows it might need to feed you again some day...
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:51 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
US Airways fits its 333s with 266 seats in 3 classes. You can't go by the airbus website.

Regardless, using Airbus's seat numbers the planes are close enough.

Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 4):
That is why they are so indifferent to the airplane.

 confused  They ordered the "old" A350 and said they'd review when they saw the new one. They also said they were not considering the 787. I'd say if there's any indifference, it's towards the 787.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
They didn't order full out though, it was part of BK exit financing.

It's as "full out" as any order on Airbus's or Boeing's books:
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...items/11_29_05_USAirways_A350.html
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
US Airways fits its 333s with 266 seats in 3 classes. You can't go by the airbus website.

We actually operate in a two class configuration (Envoy & Coach)on the A333. Not sure where you got your three class facts.?
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 11):
Dont slap the hand that feeds you, who knows it might need to feed you again some day...

I agree with that statement Manni. I think that is exactly the scenario here.

Let's take a look at some numbers. The US A330 have an average age of 5.9 years. In 2012, when the A350 enters into service that be roughly 12 years or even less if they do take delivery of any A330's in the meantime. If we use history as a guide, US has an average age of 17 years for their fleet of 767's. So that shows us that they are not of the philosophy of turning over their fleet in an SQ type manner. So although US may be planning to replace their A330's with A350's, I doubt it. So all of this info begs the question, does US see that much expansion possible from the merger with HP? They must, or at least their hoping.

If we put ourselves in the shoes of US we can see they had no other choice but to buy the A350 IF they are adopting the "Dont slap the hand that feeds you" philosophy. Take a look at A's product catalog from US Airways perspective and see what they had to choose from:

- A300/A310 - yesterdays news

- A320 Family - The us legacies are having an epiphany that international routes are where the money is. The int'l destinations that the A32X can serve for US are currently fairly well covered. And let us not forget that US still has A320's and A321's on order.

- A330 - The A350 was already being touted as the next big thing and US has 10 on order still. Why order more of these?

- A340 - Without already being the US fleet and the A350 on the horizon, it would have made no sense for US to pick up any A340's.

- A380 - I do not think anyone here thinks US has routes that necessitate the A380.

- A350 - This is the only logical choice for US from the Airbus product catalog.

Airbus does them favor. US reciprocates by buying Airbus jets. The best bet for US was and still is the A350. Whether or not they can expand enough to fill those birds has yet to be seen, but it will be an interesting situation to watch.

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting DrupyUSE (Reply 13):
We actually operate in a two class configuration (Envoy & Coach)on the A333. Not sure where you got your three class facts.?

Yes that's how it's marketed, since we no longer sell the First Class seats in the front of the cabin as First Class. They just included them in the new upgrade program...as lay-flat seats for a premium.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:00 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 8):
Hopefully they cancel and order the 7E7!!!!



Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
Or even better the 787! (Just jabbing ya) They didn't order full out though, it was part of BK exit financing. Once they pay Airbus back, they actually can cancel their order. Something tells me that they might actually do that. There have been statements from airbus that they may have some cancelations. I think US is one of them. Though I think the US colors on the A350 will look awsome and on approach to NGO they would look even better.



Quoting Manni (Reply 11):
US should be greatfull and return the favor to Airbus. Dont slap the hand that feeds you, who knows it might need to feed you again some day...

Manni said it right and there is nothing much to add.
Indeed US can be thankful to Airbus that they were giving them a loan.
Of course you have to consider it was a self-serving deal for Airbus and they had no real choice but doing so. If US would have gone bankrupt there would have been plenty of used A319, A320 and A321 as well as some A330 around that would have ruined the market price for Airbus. They also have now a loyal customer in the US that buys their products - which is an important factor if you know that two other major carriers have a "gentleman agreement" with Boeing as their house-supplier.

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I really can not agree with you here. This has nothing to do that I am pro-Airbus or Anti Boeing which I am definitely not, if you read my posts here you know that I am one of the guys who hope for a big Boeing order from Lufthansa. It has to do with variety on our airports. I am not a spotter but when I am at the airport and I have seen the twentieth A32x family aircraft landing I am happy for every 737 I see and the other way around. Okay the A350 and 787 are very identical looking but seeing another aircraft once in a while would be good thing. Only Boeings or Airbuses would be boring airports.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:56 am

US has already paid back the Airbus exit financing loan. That's old news, come on guys!

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....l-newsArticle&ID=841983&highlight=

US should accelerate the delivery of the 10 332s on order and completely redo the 762 interiors. US would also be wise to see what the 350 has become, then decide between it and the 787 for long range fleet planning. The 332s, 333s and 762s will suffice for the next few years.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting KYAir (Reply 17):
US has already paid back the Airbus exit financing loan.

I thought they had, but I couldn't find anything when I looked earlier.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 16):
They also have now a loyal customer in the US that buys their products - which is an important factor if you know that two other major carriers have a "gentleman agreement" with Boeing as their house-supplier.

Of course US had signed a deal with Airbus prior to Boeing's signing deals with DL and AA.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 11):
If anything, US should be greatfull and return the favor to Airbus. Dont slap the hand that feeds you, who knows it might need to feed you again some day...

Airbus made the loan to protect its interests as well......aside from helping out US, Airbus wanted to be very sure that all of those A32X airplanes operated by both US and HP would stay in the air and not end up parked in the desert. If US would have failed, all of those nearly new A32X airplanes would have ended up in the second hand market and essentially killed A32X demand in the coming years. There are two sides to every story....the loan was not a favor and no one needs to be grateful, Airbus and US are not friends, they do business together.

As for the A350 order, US/HP will take their time and determine whether the new-new A350 makes sense for them in the coming years. The A350 was always considered a growth airplane (say routes from PHX to Europe or PHL to Asia) and US/HP must re-examine what is on offer and decide if its the airplane that they want or need. Only then will we hear a decision.
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:39 am

The loan has, in fact, been fully repaid.

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 21):
The loan has, in fact, been fully repaid.

Did not know this. Thanks!

Leahy said he expected a couple of cancellations during the conference on Monday, but I seriously doubt that US would be one of them. They are happy with the A-330 and will wait for the new bird.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 22):
but I seriously doubt that US would be one of them. They are happy with the A-330 and will wait for the new bird.

US is happy with their A333s and will also be happy with their to-be-delivered A332s.......but they very well could be one of the customers that will back out of their commitment to the A350; US/HP management has already said that they will review their commitment to the A350 only after its clear what Airbus has on offer. US many not need or want the wide-sized A350 since its a bigger airplane: the A350s were all about expansion and new routes (as mentioned above). When it comes to US, I dont think that they delay is a big deal, its the airplane itself.....US now must re-determine if the wide A350 is the right airplane for their network, if it is, the order will go forward, if its not, there will be a cancellation. And I dont think that the fully repaid loan is going to influence US/HP's decision on the matter.
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:04 am

I heard from a US pilot and flight attendant that the following is being done:

A) more 757's acquired and more converted to ETOPS standard (3 ain't gonna do it for east-euro ops)

B) 767's will get new interiors

C) they will take delivery of 332's in a year and a half

D) in addition to the 332's being delivered, A321 and A320 ac will be delivered to free up 757 for europe runs.

I fly US 6 times a year. I hear the news and relay it to you guys.

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:09 am

While I give no stock to pilot, flight attendant, or ramp rat rumors, those things all line up with what I've heard as well.

Sensible actions, in my opinion.

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 24):
D) in addition to the 332's being delivered, A321 and A320 ac will be delivered to free up 757 for europe runs.

There is also a serious rumor out there that US may surprise everyone and order some 737-900ERs for longer routes out of PHX and LAS.....if more 757s are dedicated to Hawaiian and European runs, US/HP needs an airplane with about 180 seats that can get out of PHX and LAS on the hottest of summer days without problems, thus the 739ER is being considered.

US/HP will accept the A32X that they have on order and the 739ERs would be an additional order. Could be interesting.
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:16 am

You have 3 757 doing euro routes. Wonder if one goes tech? Thats why I've herd that US is converting more 757's to ETOPS standards. Can someone who works for US confirm this or sonfirm future 757 ETOPS purchases?

We need more A321's. They're completely full MOST of the time on Florida runs.

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 26):
US/HP needs an airplane with about 180 seats that can get out of PHX and LAS on the hottest of summer days without problems, thus the 739ER is being considered.

The 737-900ER brings the 739 up to the performance of an A321.... its still not a 757.

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:26 am

If US gets the 739ER I will upgrade to gold status on US. I hope they do. What airbus narrow body seats this many pax? NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go US and kick some a--.

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 29):
What airbus narrow body seats this many pax?

Um the A321?

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 27):
Thats why I've herd that US is converting more 757's to ETOPS standards.
I haven't heard that US is converting 757s, only leasing or purchasing ETOPS planes as in the ex-ATA craft. HP converted some for Hawaii, but US has not. Are the US (as in the old US) 757s up to the task of being converted? Aren't some (many?) ex-Eastern birds with lots of years and cycles on them? Could HP 757s be converted to ETOPS for Europe? I know they would need to be transferred to US, as there are still two operating certificates, but I presume once transferred that US crews could fly them - assuming cockpit controls are uniform. Correct?

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 28):
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 26):
US/HP needs an airplane with about 180 seats that can get out of PHX and LAS on the hottest of summer days without problems, thus the 739ER is being considered.

The 737-900ER brings the 739 up to the performance of an A321.... its still not a 757.

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I've wondered the same thing. Would the 739ER really replace 757s or merely supplement 321s?
Edited to add: If the 739ER merely supplements the 321s, US would be foolish to add another type. They seem to be slowly but surely retiring the 737 classics, so why come back to that plane in it's Next Generation form if it's not going to be a good 757 replacement? I say just get more 321s, especially the Enhanced model being offered by Airbus in the next couple years.

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting KYAir (Reply 31):
I haven't heard that US is converting 757s, only leasing or purchasing ETOPS planes as in the ex-ATA craft. HP converted some for Hawaii, but US has not.

US is converting 3 of its B757-2B7s to ETOPS for next summer.

Quoting KYAir (Reply 31):
Are the US (as in the old US) 757s up to the task of being converted? Aren't some (many?) ex-Eastern birds with lots of years and cycles on them?

1/3 of the US birds are ex-Eastern B757-225s that are the oldest ones in existance. 2/3 of the US birds (i.e., most of them) are B757-2B7s delivered new to USAir in 1993-95, making them in fact newer than the HP birds.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:51 am

A330323X: Thanks. I stand corrected on two counts.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 32):
US is converting 3 of its B757-2B7s to ETOPS for next summer.

If you have posted on this before, I apologize, but what is your take on a potential 739ER order? From an outsiders perspective it would seem to go against the commonality grain, but at the same time it sounds like a nice alternative in an otherwise mostly-Airbus fleet.

I didn't think the 739ER was a direct 752 replacement by any stretch, but is it any better than an A321 (in the current form)?

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 11):
3) A. US keeps their promise and orders the aircraft (whenever they are in need of the aircraft).

I'd argue that, given the changes in the A350 Airbus is no longer providing what US signed for, hence, if anything, they (Airbus) have already broken their promise. Nonetheless, maintaining a good relationship with Airbus is important--and I imagine if the A350 order were to change, it would do so in the form of a conversion rather than a cancellation. A lot depends on how much more Airbus will want to charge US for the newer A350 design, and if the added capabilities are worth the price increase (with respect to US's needs).

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 24):
I heard from a US pilot and flight attendant that the following is being done

Keep in mind that pilots and flight attendants often repeat rumors and information they may not fully understand. Of course, they also have a lot of valuable insight--just don't take the statements as gospel.

That said, the approach your pilot contact suggested seem pretty reasonable.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting DrupyUSE (Reply 13):
We actually operate in a two class configuration (Envoy & Coach)on the A333. Not sure where you got your three class facts.?

It used to be First class, Envoy class and coach class. Now, it's Envoy class and coach class, but if I'm not mistaken, the first row of Envoy on the 333 is some sort of a "super-Envoy" that passengers are charged more for.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 12):
Regardless, using Airbus's seat numbers the planes are close enough.

Airbus's numbers are off by 30 if you count US as having 3 classes, and off by 70 if you count it as having 2. I think that's a substantial difference. Who knows how US would outfit the 350, but seeing that it appears to be a larger plane than the 330, that's a consideration.

Also, would US want the shrunken version of the plane? Wouldn't the plane be optimized for the middle? Once again, Airbus has chosen a sort of compromise design to compete with both the 787 and 777. (As in, for its range and payload, wouldn't the 787 be the better choice?)
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:24 am

New to the forum,so haven't read previous discussions re:A380. 1. Has she visited the states yet,and dazzled the folks at JFK, LAX, ORD etc ? 2. Only read of a few unhappy government types who DON'T want the monster at any U.S. airports. Thx for any reply.  goodvibes 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 24):
C) they will take delivery of 332's in a year and a half

Hmmm... That would be an interesting move. That would open PHX to Europe and Asia and PHL, PIT & CLT to Asia (with some restrictions).

Even though the A350XWB is bigger than originally designed, I could see US keeping it so that they can have the legs for PHX-Europe without much restrictions. It would also allow for East Coast to Asia without restrictions.
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:03 am

I thought I read somewhere during one of Doug Parker's town hall speeches that US would not be expanding internationally from PHX for at least a few years? Can anyone confirm or am I just imaging that.
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 23):
US is happy with their A333s and will also be happy with their to-be-delivered A332s.......

I thought it was the other way around; they already had the 332 and were waiting for the A333. The last time I checked the US website and looked up their fleet, it indicated an A332, and that was just a few days ago...

Quoting Centrair (Reply 38):
That would open PHX to Europe and Asia and PHL, PIT & CLT to Asia (with some restrictions).

PHL and CLT to Asia I could see; I am not too sure about PIT though, although it would be supremely sweet!!! Then again, we're talking about something that will happen in a year and a half or so. Pittsburgh's economy and demand by then might support some asian route(s). Who knows really...
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Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 40):
PHL and CLT to Asia I could see; I am not too sure about PIT though, although it would be supremely sweet!!! Then again, we're talking about something that will happen in a year and a half or so. Pittsburgh's economy and demand by then might support some asian route(s). Who knows really...

Your right, if anyone knew the future of Pittsburgh, we wouldn't have to make predictions!!
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:57 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 41):
Your right, if anyone knew the future of Pittsburgh, we wouldn't have to make predictions!!

But it sure doesn't hurt to make these predictions. Let's all speak our optimism for this town, as well as for the progress of the A350 and the other orders for the widebody Airbus aircraft!!!

Aww hell, maybe if/when this service is added, I'll fly in from LNS to pop a champagne bottle...

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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:59 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 42):
I'll fly in from LNS to pop a champagne bottle...

Get out of that town!
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:03 am

While I believe the near-term future for US remains with the A330 family, the A350 family makes perfect sense for them, whether or not they are "required" to buy it or feel "obligated" to.  thumbsup 
 
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Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 43):
Get out of that town!

You want me to come back to PIT?  Wink

I might consider it... maybe... eventually... possibly... IF Allegheny County Department of Economic Development or the Southwest PA Commission offers me a job as a planner there!!! I applied there, twice, didn't hear a damned thing from them...
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:24 am

US may have a Boeing surprise coming. 739er for LAS, PHX take off. They are putting more 757 to Europe, so that means they aren't banking on cargo rev, so why not get some used 767 instead of A332.

As for new widebody in 2012+... US will likely go for the best airplane, be it the new A350 or 787.
 
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Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:49 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 44):
While I believe the near-term future for US remains with the A330 family, the A350 family makes perfect sense for them, whether or not they are "required" to buy it or feel "obligated" to.

I don't know - from what I can tell, US would be happier with a plane smaller than the A350XWB-800, i.e. the 787-8, but time will tell...
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:03 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 32):
US is converting 3 of its B757-2B7s to ETOPS for next summer.

Does US already have those former TZ 757 in service? Since those already have ETOPS 138, they are perfect for PHL-Europe flights.

That being said, I don't see why US should older the 737-900ER if they already have the A321 in the fleet. As for the A350XWB, US is the one in control ever since they paid back the loan to Airbus. Since it's not going to enter service until 2012 or so, they still have plenty of time to evaluate both the A350 and 787, although if they do choose the 787-8 or the -9, they should order quickly, because even if a second 787 line comes online, because let's face it: the 787 is a hot seller and will continue to be for the time to come.
 
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RE: US Airways And The A350XWB

Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:31 pm

How many aircraft does US still have on order, i only know about the

10 x A330-200s
20 x A350s [yet to be re-confirmed]

How many narrowbodies still on order.

Also what is the probability of seeing the A330-200s being delivered to US.


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