YULYMX
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AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:16 am

Will Air Canada ever consider in the futur adding back to there fleet the B747?

New version of course

1- Never
2- Will see
3- No more 4 engines planes

Would really love to see a fleet of 4 or 6 B747-8

Your thought?

Personnaly think they could use some: Load and prestige

YVR-ASIA, YYZ-FRA/LHR/ASIA, YUL-CDG/FRA

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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:23 am

not for a long time...

Milton used the anti-4 engine rational for the B777 order, so it would be a clear sign of Boeing favoritism (not that there is anything wrong with that)if AC would order B747s.

I personally don't think that AC has the loads right now to justify a B748I order ontop of the 5 B773ERs coming next year.


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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting YULYMX (Thread starter):
Will Air Canada ever consider in the futur adding back to there fleet the B747?

New version of course

1- Never

I would have to say "never" - for an airline like AC 6-8 a/c is a very small fleet - better to use the 773 and keep yields up

Quoting YULYMX (Thread starter):
prestige

as many an airline has found out over the years doing things for prestige is a seriously good way to waste a lot $$$
 
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:27 am

Why do people keep asking this? Every week the same question, and every week the same answer. NO! Not the 744, not the combi, not 748i and not the freighter.

It does not want small fleets of rogue aircraft. That is a cost factor. It is building a simplified fleet of 777s and 787s.
 
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:43 am

Maybe after sometime but definitely not now......
 
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:46 am

i would say never because the only reason they ever got 747s in the first place was via the buyout/merger of canadian airlines (correct me if im wrong)






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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:49 am

MAYBE for cargo, but as a pax plane, no way.

AC's heaviest long haul runs (YYZ-LHR, YYZ-FRA and YVR-NRT) are all well within the range of the 773 and AC doesn't need the extra capacity of the 47.
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 5):
i would say never because the only reason they ever got 747s in the first place was via the buyout/merger of canadian airlines (correct me if im wrong)

AC ordered 3 B744 PW combis from Boeing in the 90's to replace their B742's. AC did inherit Canadians B744's after the merger but they only stayed with AC for a few years.

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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 5):
i would say never because the only reason they ever got 747s in the first place was via the buyout/merger of canadian airlines (correct me if im wrong)

Actually, AC has been a long-standing operator of the 74* series. Flew one back in the early 80s.

I want to say that it was a specific derivative of the 747-400 series they acquired when they bought Canadi>n.
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 7):
AC ordered 3 B744 in the PW combis in the 90's to replace their B742's. AC did inherit Canadians B744's after the merger but they only stayed with AC for a few years.

Thanks! in the PW combies? i still havent ever flown one of those  Sad



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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:58 am

sorry,
AC ordered the 3 B744Ms in 01/89.

Their B742's were all combis as well?

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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:05 am

Air Canada 747 fleet:

C-FTOA, 747-133, all pax, to ?
C-FTOB, 747-133, all pax, to Wardair
C-FTOC, 747-133, all pax, retired/scrapped
C-FTOD, 747-133, all pax, retired/scrapped
C-FTOE, 747-133, all pax, retired/scrapped

C-GAGA, 747-233B, all pax, retired
C-GAGB, 747-233B (M), combi, retired
C-GAGC, 747-238B (M) combi, retired, from QANTAS

C-GAGL, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Boeing
C-GAGM, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Air China
C-GAGN, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Air China

Add to those the 4 ex Canadian 744s.
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:14 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 5):
would say never because the only reason they ever got 747s in the first place was via the buyout/merger of canadian airlines (correct me if im wrong)

...a little correction, Garri767 ~


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IIRC, AC was one of the launch customers for the 747-100 series, and had a combined fleet of about a dozen (100s, 200s/combis, 400s & 400 combis) from the early 70s until 2003. Not sure if that includes the ones inherited from the Canadi>n merger...here's something from AC's site:

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/historical/b747-100.html

I remember flying on the 100s! each cabin had a colour scheme based on a different season. My dad used to fly them across the country & would upgrade to F for next to nothing...he used to tell stories of "dancing his way across the country" - yup, apparently the upstairs lounge had a small dance floor (and IIRC - ) a piano (!?)

But back on topic, for reasons others have stated above, I don't see them getting any in the future...

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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 6):
MAYBE for cargo, but as a pax plane, no way.

Air Canada has already ordered 2 777F.
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 11):

C-GAGL, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Boeing
C-GAGM, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Air China
C-GAGN, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Air China

I don't think that is completely correct. C-GAGM is now with Air India as VT-AIM, the other two are being converted to 747-433(SF) for Air China.

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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting YULYMX (Thread starter):
1- Never
2- Will see
3- No more 4 engines planes

Both 1 and 3.

Perhaps if AC grows and needs a larger plane in the future they may buy Boeing's Y3 or the Airbus equivalent, but for now the 773ER is perfect for them.

As for cargo, I see them buying more 777Fs before they would buy 748s, unless air cargo explodes in the next few years.
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 11):
C-GAGM, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Air China

Actually she's operating with AI as VT-AIM "Sunderbans".

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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:42 am

AC 747 where use from YUL to MIA early years

than became regular on YUL-FRA
 
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 17):
AC 747 where use from YUL to MIA early years

than became regular on YUL-FRA

Yea and now Air Canada only runs a A319 seasonally on YUL-MIA every Saturday and Sunday... Funny how markets change quickly!
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:02 am

AC lives in fear of it's unions, so no aircraft type gets added without their approval, and on their terms. Look at the recent order/cancellation/reorder of the 777s and 787s.
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting Salomon (Reply 18):

Yul-MIA is daily year round with the A-319
YUL-FLL gets a 767 + a320 or embraer daily in winter time  Smile
 
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Stormbringer (Reply 19):
AC lives in fear of it's unions, so no aircraft type gets added without their approval, and on their terms. Look at the recent order/cancellation/reorder of the 777s and 787s.

That's the type of culture you get when you have a carrier that was once upon a time the socialist enterprise of the government. Privatizing AC back in the late 1980s was the best thing the Mulroney government did.
As for the possible future re-introduction of the 744 or 748 to the AC fleet, I would have to say NEVER on that one. The 777 is effectively taking the role that frame along with the A340s played in AC's route structure. AC will stay with Boeing for their wide-body fleet for some time I'll predict.
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:11 am

MIA, MCO, FLL get the 762. I saw a 762 at FLL in Feb of 05 I'm sure it was the gimili glider. I have seen photos of the 763ER @ MIA. Please know the facts before hand. It doesnt help to get critisized. Yes the 767 has been flown to MCO for special events.

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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:14 am

Here's my 2 cents. There's obviously no need to discuss the 747 cause we've already established it won't happen. My question is - what aircraft will become the new flagship of the fleet? Right now we see the A340 feature in commercials and promo material. When the A340 goes, or even when the Boeings start to arrive, which aircraft will be front and centre?
 
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:18 am

The 773ER

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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 23):
When the A340 goes, or even when the Boeings start to arrive, which aircraft will be front and centre?

The B777-300ER, it will be the largest aircraft in the fleet, so therefore the flagship. A lot of people refer to the A345's as AC current flagship.

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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 9):
Thanks! in the PW combies? i still havent ever flown one of those

Well, you can fly one on LAX-FRA on Air India
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:35 am

The B773ER will take over as the Flagship from the A340 when they arrive next year. When the B787 is launched it may takeover as it will introduce some new technologies that may be seen as attractive to the prospective customer base.

The idea of a flagship is to represent the best of the whole company and does not necessarily have to be the largest aircraft in the fleet. Take the Concorde in the BA fleet, not the biggest but the fastest.

With that said, it will always be difficult to top the B777. I can't wait to see the B777 in the AC colours.
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 20):
Yul-MIA is daily year round with the A-319

Not this year. During the summer, it's only weekend (Sa/Su) service.
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting YULYMX (Thread starter):
Personnaly think they could use some: Load and prestige

I think there was once a time when to have 747s in a fleet was a mark of ultimate credibility for an airline, but not anymore. Bask in the knowledge that AC is at the technological forefront with the fleet of 787s it's buying instead.  Smile
 
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 27):
With that said, it will always be difficult to top the B777. I can't wait to see the B777 in the AC colours.

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/facts/documents/AC_777.jpg

[Edited 2006-07-19 05:05:40]
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:23 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 24):
The 773ER

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Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 25):
The B777-300ER, it will be the largest aircraft in the fleet, so therefore the flagship. A lot of people refer to the A345's as AC current flagship.

KrisYYZ



Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 27):
The B773ER will take over as the Flagship

Smokin wacky tobbacky huh guys??

We all know the ever popular E170/E190 will become the Queen of the Skies for AC. With the ever popular bumping bags due space or weight this aircraft endures, it is sure to be a real crowd pleaser I'm sure, and for that AC will delegate this beauty as their new Flagship !!! Cool
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RE: AC And B747...

Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 22):

AC767-300 at MIA was probably from YYZ
 
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RE: AC And B747...

Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 31):
We all know the ever popular E170/E190 will become the Queen of the Skies for AC. With the ever popular bumping bags due space or weight this aircraft endures, it is sure to be a real crowd pleaser I'm sure, and for that AC will delegate this beauty as their new Flagship !!!

They're not as bad as those pile of crap CRJ-705. Talk about an awkward aircraft to turn. I'd rather load a 319!!

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