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Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:28 am

Anyone out there with news on as to when these 767-300s will be put into service? Will they be retrofitted with new seats and new overhead bins?

Thanks for any info.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:30 am

Yes, new interiors are being installed at PAE. I think there are 4 birds here currently.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:37 am

what will the regs be? will it start at 596? and what were the old DL regs?
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:57 am

I will be travelling to PAE as part of the HA Inflight inspection team on August 1st, and will report back here with updates.
Target date for 1st plane put in service will be the first week of September I believe.
From what I gather, the aircraft will bare no resemblance to the aircraft that we inspected in Victorville, CA back in March. The 4 767's will have completely new interiors including seats, 777 overhead bins, sidewalls, galleys, and IFE.
I believe that I read somewhere in an internal memo here that the 4 aircraft will be registered as 594-597, but I will be able to confirm this in a few weeks.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 3):
777 overhead bins, sidewalls

The first plane will enter service without the Heath Tecna Nu-Look bins and sidewalls. The bins should be ready for the second plane and the first one will get retrofit later.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 4):
The first plane will enter service without the Heath Tecna Nu-Look bins and sidewalls. The bins should be ready for the second plane and the first one will get retrofit later.

Thanks for that Tod.
I had been told that the first aircraft that we put into service will be about 75% finished but I was not sure which of the modifications would or wouldn't be complete. You have just answered that question. I was also told however, that the remaining 3 aircraft will be completely finished when they are put into service later this fall, are you able to confirm this?

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
I was also told however, that the remaining 3 aircraft will be completely finished when they are put into service later this fall, are you able to confirm this?

According to the Heath Tecna Lead Engineer on the program (he's about three feet away from me) the Heath Tecna portion of the program (bins, ceilings, sidewalls, PSU) will be 100 percent starting with the second plane.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:06 am

Scheduled entry-into-service date for the first plane is September 6th.

Quoting Tod (Reply 4):
The first plane will enter service without the Heath Tecna Nu-Look bins and sidewalls. The bins should be ready for the second plane and the first one will get retrofit later.

Correct. Once all four have entered service, the first one will go back to PAE to get the interior installed. And yes, all the planes are getting brand new seats.

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 2):
what will the regs be? will it start at 596? and what were the old DL regs?

According to the latest output from our management, they will be 594HA, and 596 - 598HA. The number 595 is currently unavailable. Apparently once a number has be 'deregistered' there is a certain waiting period before it can be used again. The original aircraft 595 is in private hands, and only recently gave up that number. Eventually HA will get it back, but not before the new planes show up. HA has also reserved the numbers 560 - 569 for future use too. The planes were originally 116DL - 119DL.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:21 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
Thanks for that Tod.
I had been told that the first aircraft that we put into service will be about 75% finished but I was not sure which of the modifications would or wouldn't be complete. You have just answered that question. I was also told however, that the remaining 3 aircraft will be completely finished when they are put into service later this fall, are you able to confirm this?

You sound like a news anchorman who's talking to a field reporter giving him breaking news on a story.
 
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Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting HAL (Reply 7):
The original aircraft 595 is in private hands, and only recently gave up that number. Eventually HA will get it back, but not before the new planes show up.

HAL, are you referring to getting back the number or the aircraft?

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 8):
You sound like a news anchorman who's talking to a field reporter giving him breaking news on a story.

You sound like you need to take something for your ADD.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:03 am

Will the 1st aircraft come into HNL carrying passengers--perhaps from the Wet Coast?
 
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Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting Lahaina (Reply 10):
perhaps from the Wet Coast?

You bet. This will be the first one-stop HA flight between Hawaii and Seattle. PAX may get splashed during the tech stop 1500nm out of HNL.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting HALFA (Reply 9):
HAL, are you referring to getting back the number or the aircraft?

Unfortunately, it's just the number we'll be getting back. The plane is firmly in the hands of that rich soccer team owner Roman Abramovich.


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Quoting Lahaina (Reply 10):
Will the 1st aircraft come into HNL carrying passengers--perhaps from the Wet Coast?

Whether it's raining or not, the planes will fly empty to HNL first, so they can be given a final checkout by our own maintenance staff before they go on a revenue flight.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:19 pm

Quoting HALFA (Reply 9):
HAL, are you referring to getting back the number or the aircraft?

I'm sure he's refering to the number.

Quoting Lahaina (Reply 10):
Will the 1st aircraft come into HNL carrying passengers

Nope. It will ferry in and get looked over in HNL by maintenance and be blessed by a kahu before entering service.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:26 am

I just took a HA flight from LAS to HNL seemed like it was a ex delta plane, the First Class seats were this dark khaki color. The coach cabin had blue leather seats. But the walls had the Hawaiian colors and hawaiian floral deisgn That plane did show signs of againg.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:53 am

Hnlboi, was that N583HA? I flew that earlier this month on the Midnight Madness flight LAS-HNL. It had the old bins, but the seats are pretty comfortable. I find HA's "new" purple cloth ones a little too thin, but better then some other carriers.

Does HA have plans to upgrade the ex-LTU planes to these same standards?
Also, why does ship 583 have its own, unique safety card?

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Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting AQ737 (Reply 15):

As a matter of fact I think it was, N583HA. The seats were comfortable like you mentioned. On theway up to Vegas we had the purple cloth seats and those were OK. I didnt really notice the unique safety card. That was first time for me that I didnt open that safety card. How is that midnight madness flight? Everytime i book my flight i always debate to take that one home or the 10am departure. I guess the one good thing about that flight is you can rest on the way home and be ready for work when you arrive in HNL. haha. Only thing you cant sleep that night at the hotel or else you might just oversleep.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:56 pm

Quoting AQ737 (Reply 15):
Does HA have plans to upgrade the ex-LTU planes to these same standards?
Also, why does ship 583 have its own, unique safety card?

We will not be changing the interior of the LTU planes. They are leased, and therefore the lessors determine whether or not the interior will be changed, not Hawaiian. The ex-Delta planes were bought outright by HA, so we can do with them as we please.

Ship 583 has a unique door configuration compared to the other LTU planes, that being a swing-down door at the #3 position instead of an overwing exit window as the other LTU's have, therefore the need for a different diagram on the safety card.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:30 pm

Thank you, HAL. Hnlboi, the 2:45am departure out of Las Vegas is very good because it allows you the "red eye" experience. You get into HNL before the morning traffic as well. I found that although the connection experience at LAS isn't the best, I could "make" my own connections through LAS to fly that flight because it allows a full day on the mainland and you're still home in Hawaii for a full day as well, similar to the red eyes out of Hawaii. I was able to leave Minneapolis at 10:00pm and connect through Las Vegas -- effectively sleeping my way back to HNL rather than wasting daylight.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:41 pm

How many versions of the 763 does HA operate? Does anyone know all the names of the planes?
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:32 am

Quoting HnlBoi (Reply 19):
How many versions of the 763 does HA operate?


Lets see...aircraft #580-582 have four door exits on each side and the capacity is 18/234. They are the aircraft that were originally going to Ansett.
aircraft #583 is the oddball from LTU and it also has four doors on each side but the capacity is 18/241.Aircraft #584-586 has 3 door exits in addition to 2 overwing exits and has a capacity of 18/241. These planes are also ex LTU and came with the airshow program.Aircraft #587-593 are the "good" planes as that is what we call them. Its funny that its usually the first question asked in briefing..."what aircraft # do we have today ? " They have a capacity of 18/246. They have 4 cabin doors on each side plus 2 overwing windows on each side. These planes also have 2 additional life rafts located near the overwing exits.

Quoting HnlBoi (Reply 19):
Does anyone know all the names of the planes?

The only ones that I remember is #580 (KOLEA) and #587 (PAKALAKALA) .Kolea was the first 767 and Pakalakala was the aircraft we performed the mini evac for the FAA.

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Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:19 am

Does anyone know if HAL will name the new 763s? Mahalo
767 33A ER N580HA Kolea (Pacific Golden-Plover)
767 33A ER N581HA Manu o Ku (White Tern)
767 33A ER N582HA Ake'ake (Band-Rumped Storm Petrel)
767 33A ER N583HA A (Booby)
767 3G5 ER N584HA Kioea (Bristle-Thighed Curlew)
767 3G5 ER N585HA Noio (Black Noddy)
767 3G5 ER N586HA Ou (Bulwer's Petrel)
767 33A ER N587HA Pakalakala (Gray-Backed Tern)
767 3CB ER N588HA 'Iwa (Frigatebird)
767 33A ER N589HA Moli (Frigatebird)
767 3DF ER N590HA Koa'e'ula (Red-Tailed Tropicbird)
767 33A ER N591HA 'Akekeke (Ruddy Turnstone)
767 3CB ER N592HA Hunakai (Sanderling)
767 33A ER N593HA Nene (Goose)
767-332 N594HA
767-332 N596HA
767-332 N597HA
767-332 N598HA
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting Pualani (Reply 20):
Lets see...aircraft #580-582 have four door exits on each side and the capacity is 18/234. They are the aircraft that were originally going to Ansett.
aircraft #583 is the oddball from LTU and it also has four doors on each side but the capacity is 18/241.Aircraft #584-586 has 3 door exits in addition to 2 overwing exits and has a capacity of 18/241. These planes are also ex LTU and came with the airshow program.Aircraft #587-593 are the "good" planes as that is what we call them. Its funny that its usually the first question asked in briefing..."what aircraft # do we have today ? " They have a capacity of 18/246. They have 4 cabin doors on each side plus 2 overwing windows on each side. These planes also have 2 additional life rafts located near the overwing exits.

So Pualani why are #587-593 the "good: planes? Are pilots the same way as they like to fly a specific aircraft like Kolea for example. By the way why is it that at HNL Terminal the LAS departure flight is the only filght to leave out of the interisland terminal, they have desk and sign just for the LAS departure flights. I thought HA always flew out of the international side.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:32 am

LAS flights leave from the main terminal just like all other mainland U.S. departures. All interisland terminal gates are for narrowbodies to my knowledge. However, is HA also starting to use the central concourse? When I was there, I saw a '67 parked at the gate on the CC closest to the ewa concourse. Was this just an anomoly?

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting HnlBoi (Reply 22):
So Pualani why are #587-593 the "good: planes? Are pilots the same way as they like to fly a specific aircraft like Kolea for example. By the way why is it that at HNL Terminal the LAS departure flight is the only filght to leave out of the interisland terminal, they have desk and sign just for the LAS departure flights. I thought HA always flew out of the international side.



Quoting AQ737 (Reply 23):
LAS flights leave from the main terminal just like all other mainland U.S. departures. All interisland terminal gates are for narrowbodies to my knowledge. However, is HA also starting to use the central concourse? When I was there, I saw a '67 parked at the gate on the CC closest to the ewa concourse. Was this just an anomoly?

For mainland flights that leave after 9pm (after the interisland flights have slowed to a trickle), HA often uses the last interisland gate (61) for mainland flights....saves the passengers the LONG walk.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting HAVIK747 (Reply 21):
Does anyone know if HAL will name the new 763s?

No, but the names should follow the pattern of the other 767s, which is native birds that fly long distances.

Quoting Pualani (Reply 20):
Pakalakala was the aircraft we performed the mini evac for the FAA.

Did you participate in that mini-evac? I was there every night until it was done and even got to go on board and observe the water landing portion.

Quoting AQ737 (Reply 23):
However, is HA also starting to use the central concourse?

It all depends on the time of year. When airlines, especially the Asian ones, go to their summer schedules, they leave up to 30-60 minutes later than their winter schedule. HA has increased their mainland flights and their arrival times tend to remain rather constant through out the year and because of this, those Asian flights are still at the Ewa Concourse pushing HA to the Center Concourse for some flights.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:23 am

Quoting HnlBoi (Reply 22):
So Pualani why are #587-593 the "good: planes? Are pilots the same way as they like to fly a specific aircraft like Kolea for example.

These planes are comfortable for both passengers and crew alike. There are the "777 bins" so there seems to be space for most carryons.The galleys are also nicer than the LTU planes. I have heard from some of the pilots that the LTUs can be a little more difficult to fly but I think its more of a technical thing as the LTUs are older models.

Quoting HnlBoi (Reply 22):
By the way why is it that at HNL Terminal the LAS departure flight is the only filght to leave out of the interisland terminal, they have desk and sign just for the LAS departure flights

The night you flew to Vegas must have been when the LAX flight was not operating and for some reason they dont want to send out 2 mainland flights at a time at the interisland terminal. We have in the past so I dont know what the big deal is now.

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 25):
Did you participate in that mini-evac? I was there every night until it was done and even got to go on board and observe the water landing portion.

I did participate...I was one of 20 that went through a rigourous and stressful class. I was luckily the 3rd highest in seniority so I had my choice of positions. I chose the Lead and we had our chance on the 3rd day. We did'nt pass as our 1R door f/a didnt hear the evac command and her exit slide did not deploy within the 15-30 seconds allowed. The most stressful position is the overwater window exits where there are so many voice commands that most everyone was worried they would forget something and that would down our attempt.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:38 pm

One other item unique to ship 583 ("A"- I love that name!) is that it has a large forward cargo door, the other LTU aircraft do not. That means it can carry pallets which is critical for Int'l Cargo. For that reason it's probably the only one of the four you'll ever see operating to SYD, which it did for the first time a couple of months ago.
Better to send 583 that cancel the service...
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:49 am

Quoting Pualani (Reply 20):
.Aircraft #587-593 are the "good" planes as that is what we call them. Its funny that its usually the first question asked in briefing..."what aircraft # do we have today ? " They have a capacity of 18/246. They have 4 cabin doors on each side plus 2 overwing windows on each side.

Actually Pualani, these aircraft only have 2 cabin doors on each side plus 2 overwing window exits per side. And I agree with you, I much prefer working on them as opposed to the LTU aircraft.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:07 pm

What is HA's actual Boeing code?

That list above is all over the place.
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting Pualani (Reply 26):
The night you flew to Vegas must have been when the LAX flight was not operating and for some reason they dont want to send out 2 mainland flights at a time at the interisland terminal. We have in the past so I dont know what the big deal is now.

Yeah, I remember that. Back in the DC-10 days I flew HA4 HNL-LAX more than once, and there was often both my flight and the Vacations Hawaii nonstop charter to LAS going out of 60 and 61.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 29):
What is HA's actual Boeing code?

2A. The 717s have it.
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 29):
What is HA's actual Boeing code?

767 manufactured for HA are identified in Boeing engineering as HWI 767-31D.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:38 pm

Mahalo Nui Loa (Thank you very much), to all of you for keeping everyone updated on Hawaiian's 767 fleet.

Proud to see Hawaiian moving ahead...

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:04 pm

With the purchase of these 4 Ex-Delta -300's, (N116~119DL) it seems that Hawaiian is returning to servicing GE CF6 engines like the good old days on their DC-10's.

Is Hawaiian planning to change-out to PW to standardize their engine maintenance ??
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:58 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 3):
I will be travelling to PAE as part of the HA Inflight inspection team on August 1st, and will report back here with updates.

Looking forward to your updates. I hope your trip to PAE today for the inspection is a good one!

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting Alohajock (Reply 33):

According to the lasted HA maintenance and engineering info I have they will keep the PW and GE engines on the respective aircraft.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 6):
Heath Tecna portion of the program (bins, ceilings, sidewalls, PSU) will be 100 percent starting with the second plane.

The interior mods to the second plane are getting underway at PAE now.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:34 pm

Remaining on the subject of HA's 767, does Delta Airlines continue to perform all the heavy B/C maintenance on Hawaiian's birds in Atlanta ??

From where are these 767's routed....or do they fly empty from Honolulu when routine "C" check time rolls around. ?

With Hawaiian increasing the fleet to 18, and now owning 4 outright, would it not be more feasible to explore building a new hangar facility (like Continental's on South Ramp in HNL) to service at home port. Just thinking out loud!

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:39 pm

Are one of these planes going to be flying the SEA-HNL route this November when it goes from 7 to 10 flights a week?
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting Alohajock (Reply 37):
Remaining on the subject of HA's 767, does Delta Airlines continue to perform all the heavy B/C maintenance on Hawaiian's birds in Atlanta ??

They could but only if Hawaiian contracted them. These aircraft aren't being leased, Hawaiian actually bought them.

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 38):
Are one of these planes going to be flying the SEA-HNL route this November when it goes from 7 to 10 flights a week?

Possible. The planes are expected to focus on west coast-Hawaii flying, freeing up some -300ERs for longer routes. I wouldn't expect them to be confined to any particular route.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 39):
They could but only if Hawaiian contracted them. These aircraft aren't being leased, Hawaiian actually bought them

I think he was asking if all our 767 fleet was getting their heavy maintenance in ATL. I dont know actually where they go, I can ask when I fly again on Friday.

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 39):
Possible. The planes are expected to focus on west coast-Hawaii flying, freeing up some -300ERs for longer routes. I wouldn't expect them to be confined to any particular route.

The EX Delta planes I think wont be going to PHX or LAS during the summer as the GE engines dont have the same performance as the PW engines due to the high temps.

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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:29 pm

Okay Guys,
Please get me back on track....these 4 ex-Delta are contracted to Goodrich Corp in Everett for transition and outfitting, but they are NOT going to be refurbished to ER or ETOP standards.

Mahalo Pualani,,,,I was under the assumption that Delta does and will continue to perform all of the "heavy" checks on Hawaiian's 767s. Just wanted to know if anyone knew different.... I have flown in and out of Atlanta, and have noticed Hawaiian's 767 tail peeking out of their hangar. Thanks for checking.

I didn't think the GE-CF6 were of the same performance level as the PW4060s.
Thanks for clarifying.

I further agree with David (Hawaiian 717), that it would be up to owners (HA or Lessors) as to who will chosen to do the "Heavy" checks. If I am correct, both ILFC and AWMS have equally chosen Delta to maintain other leased airplanes of their ownership.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:59 pm

Quoting LAHAINA (Thread starter):

Viewing HA's Press release, it seems that they are expecting to place the first of these 4 new planes somewhere in early September....On the 6th, the Maui to San Diego R/T becomes daily. October 13th, both Maui to Seattle and Portland becomes daily (+3 flights to SEA and +4 to PDX weekly). Nov 19th, Honolulu to Sacramento will increase to 11 per week and 10 to Seattle respectly. In summer of 2007, Flt #3 LAX to HNL and return #4 will become daily, providing L.A travelers 4 R/T daily.

Way to go Hawaiian!
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:33 pm

Quoting Alohajock (Reply 37):
Remaining on the subject of HA's 767, does Delta Airlines continue to perform all the heavy B/C maintenance on Hawaiian's birds in Atlanta ??

DL does not do heavy checks for HA. Goodrich does all the heavy checks at PAE. DL is only contracted for maintenance at HA's mainland stations. Here's 584 in front of the Goodrich hanger at PAE:


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Quoting Alohajock (Reply 41):
these 4 ex-Delta are contracted to Goodrich Corp in Everett for transition and outfitting, but they are NOT going to be refurbished to ER or ETOP standards.

They will be upgraded to ETOPS standards. They need to be ETOPS certified in order to fly between Hawaii and the mainland.

Quoting Alohajock (Reply 41):
I didn't think the GE-CF6 were of the same performance level as the PW4060s.

Depends on which CF6 model they have. Not all CF6s are the same. I believe DL ordered the CF6-80A for their 767-300s, which top out at a lower thrust than the lowest thrust CF6-80C2s (which was available for non-ER -300s but not ordered by DL). The CF6-80C2 is the CF6 engine with comparable performance to the PW4060.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:02 pm

Okay guys, Let's talk prices and Hawaiian thrifty shopping!

In my HA Annual Report, it is noted that in Feb and Mar 2006, they went out and purchased 4 used ex-Delta planes for an aggregate (whole package) cost of a mere $31.6 mil. Wow!, I'm not an economist, but what a bargain, when you consider that Boeing is asking between $133~149mil for a new 767-300ER (06 prices). Now that comes out to about $8mil per plane.....

I know each of these 4 planes are, 20 years old....Mfd in 1986.

The report further indicates that Hawaiian needed to purchase these planes because of the possibilities that AWAS may execute incremental partial/all lease terminations on present 767 leased through 2007 into 2009.

I guess HA will remain on the hunt for more used, bargain priced 767's.....to buy. Their 2006 annual lease cost expense is reported at $91.8 mil. This will jump to $98.9 mil by 2010. In 5 years, HA would be spending a whopping $479mil just on aircraft leasing with present fleet of 14, 767s and 11, 717s.

Maybe Delta will have more to sell as they reorganize out of bankruptcy.
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:34 pm

To My "HA Friends" on this Forum:

Any updates on when the first of these planes will land in Honolulu.??

Does anyone have photos of these Delta birds at Goodrich Everett.? Thanks.

Aloha,
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:24 pm

Can the Ex DL 767-300 do the SYD-HNL routes?
 
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:01 pm

Quoting HnlBoi (Reply 46):
Can the Ex DL 767-300 do the SYD-HNL routes?

No, they can't. They'll be limited to the Hawaii - west coast flights. It's quite possible they won't be able to do PHX or LAS in hot weather or with strong headwinds either. If new longer routes are added, they'll be flown by the current (or additional) 'ER' aircraft.

HAL
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RE: Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)

Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:57 pm

Can someone tell me what the maxium range of the nonER -300 plane is, assuming a payload of 269 passengers and luggage, average headwind westbound from the continental US?

Mahalo plenty

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