GQfluffy
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GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:44 pm

It's official, and a bunch of BS if I do say so myself. I know I'm supposed to support my airline, but in this case, I sure as hell don't. As of August 4th, we're pulling out of GTF, FCA (GPI), and GEG. The loads aren't all that bad into those places, so I asked why. I was told by the General Office that it was basically none of my business. In the last month, my faith towards my employer has been plummeting.   Our manager walked out because our ex-UA bean counter CEO has basically thrown GQ policy and federal law out the window. And now I hear we're going to contract two of our aircraft to Chalk Airlines (spelling?) in FLL.    Why? Why do this? He's abandoning the region that has kept this airline going for the last 10 years so he can make a quick buck or two.    Next I read in a company news letter that we're going to have discussions with MWH to keep service there, yet everyone (rampers, agents, and pilots alike) already knows we're pulling out of there after the EAS money is gone. ALW is next once our contract runs out. We're not going to PIR anymore, and the Nebraska bid went to another airline. To me, things honestly look bad. Better yet, when they decided to pull the plug on GTF, FCA, and GEG, they called all the managers and had them inform their agents, INSTEAD of our CEO getting out of his office and going to each station and inform everyone himself like a good CEO should.    GQ's new motto is You'll like where we're going. My question for the world is this; Where are we going? Because things on the horizon don't look too promising.   

I apologize for ranting, and I suppose I shouldn't be ranting about my company, and I know everyone at the General Office says their doors are always open for questions, thoughts, and concerns, but I also know of several people who have questioned where the Company is headed just to be mysteriously let go a month or so later....

[Edited 2006-07-19 06:51:57]
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NWDC10
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:22 pm

GQ needs to start flying in markets where they will make money instead of relying on "EAS Cities". But does GQ want to try to make it on their own instead of off the Government? Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:38 pm

I'm Sorry to hear about what is going on at GQ, but since you guys are owned by the parent of XJ, does it surprise you.

Your CEO is just doing what the boss in MSP is telling him. Don't forget how bad XJ is right now. Most of us in MSP don't know how much longer XJ will be flying. The company and unions are dead locked on pay cuts, and is facing shut down.

SO if you want to be mad at the direction the company is going, that is why. I would look at AS Group and Horizon, maybe they are or will add service in your area. They maybe hiring.

It is very hard to stay motivated when your executives what to keep you in the dark.
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MaverickM11
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Thread starter):
Where are we going?

...and why am I in this handbasket?  Silly How does the ownership structure with XJ even work? Do you even feed NW flights right now?
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geg2rap
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:39 am

mair holdings owns xj and gq, they operate independently. GQ has code shares with US, NW (maybe more)
Some here suggest mair bought gq as a negotiating ploy a few years ago with xj pilots.

so did gq actually pick up any EAS this year? (I don't think the boi is EAS)
 
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:09 am

Quoting Geg2rap (Reply 4):
Some here suggest mair bought gq as a negotiating ploy a few years ago with xj pilots.

Have they even leveraged that possibility yet? What has MAIR done with GQ since its purchase?
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toltommy
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:43 am

GQ has been supported by XJ profits funneled thru MAIR ever since it was purchased. Now that the XJ profits are gone (and maybe XJ as well), GQ mgmt has to look for a way to stand on their own as a profitable airline. Sorry fluffy, welcome the world of uncertainty MAIR has put everyone at XJ in. At least your job hasn't been eliminated.
 
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:44 am

gq fluffy, aren't all of gq's fleet leased from mesa?
 
access-air
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:23 am

I feel sorry for you....and for the airline...they have been around for many years and have provided service to communities that were abandoned by the likes of Frontier #1 and Northwest Orient years ago....
There is a need for some airline to provide service to those little EAS cities. If thats what the purpose of Big Sky Airlines is, then they are being foolish for trying to fix something that is not broken.
It reminds me of the foolish move by Doug Voss to relocate Great Lakes from Spence, Iowa and its true midwestern area of operations to hub out of Denver..They just up and left so many communities without air service in this area it isnt even funny...
Perhaps your CEO will pull his head out of his knickers and get a clue.....There are ways to make EAS cities work for the good of both the communites and the airline involved and I dont think ANY airline that collects the subsidies has ever gotten it right.
We shall wait and see, in the mean time, hang in there and hope and pray that your city isn't next on the CEO's chopping block.

Cheers, Access-Air
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 8):
There is a need for some airline to provide service to those little EAS cities

If there was a need, they wouldn't be EAS cities Silly.
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Thread starter):
GQ's new motto is You'll like where we're going

That was Vanguard's last slogan before they went under.
 
mtnwest1979
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:37 am

Why would the CEO need to visit each station to inform of this move? That seems like a waste of time to me.
As for me, I am not shocked to see these three cities lose GQ service. With only 1 GEG-FCA-GTF, and the more flights directly from FCA (US seasonal PHX, QX nonstop to SEA, etc.) the need to go to GEG doesn't seem to be as big as before.
I would think that nonstop BIL-GTF would do okay, but since they don't do it, I guess not.
As for getting away from EAS service, that may explain the new HLN-MSO-PDX flights beginning August 7th. Nice to see an attempt to keep PDX open after (likely) end of MWH flights.
Wonder how the weekend PDX-MSO-BZN-BIL is doing?
As GQ goes, they seem to expand, contract ,expand, contract continuously. Maybe this is beginning of contraction time.

Some of their scheduling leaves me baffled. Instead of one nonstop at basically the same time BOI-BZN and BOI-JAC, with a third plane sitting in BOI the time those two are gone, why not have one well timed BOI-JAC-BZN-BOI and another BOI-JAC-BZN-BOI during the day.
I guess time will tell about ALW, as well. Why not BOI-ALW-MWH-PDX routing?
Oh well, good luck to whatever happens.
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:36 am

This really is terrible. I hate to see this Northwestern market go down. I am passionate about it since I have family there even though I am on the East coast. Every flight I have been on there is packed and the fares are expensive. There has to be a better way. There can be profits made! I had the chance to buy Casino Express a while back but the fuel prices made that purchase impossible! As they say the best way to become a millionaire is to invest a billion. Maybe I should buy GQ! I guess I will wait and test the market in the future but I know there is a niche market out there. Time will tell... stay tuned... Good luck to you all though at GQ.
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:06 pm

We actually ran the story tonight in Great Falls, thanks to the tip from this forum. Unfortunately, since there is only one flight a day, it had to be file footage of the Metro but KTVQ did manage to send us (KRTV) a sound bite from the Big Sky president. Basically it boiled down to with fuel prices the way they are, Great Falls, Kalispell and Spokane just weren't making money.

Great Falls actually only resumed Big Sky service in 1997 (I do believe) after about a 5 year absence. Service to western Montana seems to ebb and flow with the market although this time, I hope we don't have to wait half a decade to regain the connection.

The city and the airport are going to keep fighting for the connection to Billings. Maybe Horizon would tie us into a Billings loop or extend one of our flights to Billings. I know I'm a dreamer but keeping the 1st and 3rd largest cities connected by air service seems to make sense to me....

Brian
 
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:16 pm

Short mention from KRTV

Not much but it has at least hit the press. (Thanks GQfluffy) With only about 2 weeks until the service is to be cancelled, it makes you wonder how long before the airline was going to tell the flying public....

Brian
 
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:49 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 8):
hang in there and hope and pray that your city isn't next on the CEO's chopping block.

BIL is a hub for GQ and where the HQ is at...curious for how long though...

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 11):
Why would the CEO need to visit each station to inform of this move?

I suppose he doesn't...but it sure as hell would be a nice gesture considering he allowed those stations to hire 6 people between the three of them in the last 2 months...one as recent as 3 weeks ago....All he would have to do is reserve a seat on 2588 and during each stop in each city he could stand on the ramp and inform every agent. But whatever....I'm just a ramper and probably don't have a clue on how to run and airline...

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 11):
Wonder how the weekend PDX-MSO-BZN-BIL is doing?

Um, out of BIL, the most I've seen is 4 passengers, but out of BZN it's loads go up, and it's usually full out of MSO...

Quoting SierraAir (Reply 14):
it makes you wonder how long before the airline was going to tell the flying public....

I'm not sure, I know they let everyone knew on Monday, at the stations that is, and maybe I spilled the beans up here, but at this point, I really don't care. I'm so fed up with the way the admins at the General Office have been treating us agents that I don't care if it wasn't supposed to be public information yet...
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NWDC10
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RE: GQ Says Good Bye To GTF, FCA, And GEG

Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:52 pm

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 2):
I would look at AS Group and Horizon

Well QX doesn't have a plane small enough. They tryed this and it didn't work in the past. MWH needs EAS or a route PDX/EAT/MWH/EAT/PDX. Robert NWDC10