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Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:56 pm

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060719/sfw034.html?.v=65

Another interesting site to spot at WN heavy airports.
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:29 pm

Which then leaves only the -500s wingletless...
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:38 pm

According to the article:

SEATTLE, July 19 /PRNewswire/ -- Southwest Airlines has taken another step separating themselves from their competition by committing to install Aviation Partners Boeing Blended Winglets on up to 90 of their 737-300 aircraft. The order of 59 firm systems and 31 options follows Southwest's commitment in June of 2003 to install Blended Winglets on all of their 737-700 aircraft. Installations are planned to begin in early 2007.

So that's 59 firm orders for a fleet that consist of about 194 733.

I suppose WN will do an evaluation of these 59 aircraft before proceeding to upgrade the rest of the fleet. Not to mention, some of the first 733 were expected to be retired in 2008 and 2009, so it makes sense that some of the older aircraft will never recieve the upgrade.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:38 pm

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is big news for our airline................last I heard it had been decided not to add them.

I look forward to seeing this new addition to our -300s....awseome!

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:38 pm

I didn't know they could do that to the 733. This is somewhat sad, because it means they are planning on keeping them for the forseeable future. Why would they do that with so many 737-700s on order?
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting Dacman (Reply 3):
This is big news for our airline................last I heard it had been decided not to add them.

I thought so too! That something with the 737-300 precluded them from getting the same kind of fuel efficiencies with the winglets that the other a/c had been able to get. Apparently Aviation Partners has found a way!
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:43 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 4):
Why would they do that with so many 737-700s on order?

Probably because those 737-700s that are on order will be used for service expansion and not merely replacing older equipment. Also, it probably takes longer for WN (or any airline for that matter) to receive a new plane than to have an existing plane retro-fitted.
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 4):
Why would they do that with so many 737-700s on order?

I think its pretty simple - as long as the cost savings from the better fuel burn the winglets provide over the sum of the number of years the aircraft will remain in service is greater than the cost of installing the winglets - it's worth it. Add in the cost savings from extending the payload range of the 733 and any others I haven't thought of, and it becomes even more of a no-brainer.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 5):
That something with the 737-300 precluded them from getting the same kind of fuel efficiencies with the winglets that the other a/c had been able to get.

I suspect the issue was more that the -300's are generally used on shorter hops than the -700's owing to their somewhat shorter range; as a result, the savings from installing the Blended Winglets are not as dramatic. However, the equation also changes pretty significantly when oil is at $50-80 for the foreseeable future, rather than below $30 when the winglets were originally ordered for the -700 fleet.

Certain of the -300's are likely to be in service for close to 15 more years, since the last were delivered in 1997. Only the very oldest -300's should be reaching retirement age near the end of this decade. My guess is that the winglets will be installed on the newest -300's in the fleet for now.

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 4):
Why would they do that with so many 737-700s on order?

Again, because a significant portion of the -300 fleet (69 of 195) are under 15 years old and are unlikely to be retired any time soon; the owned frames are fully paid-for, the Classic 737's are efficient and reliable, and Southwest needs the planes to maintain service and continue growing.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 4):
I didn't know they could do that to the 733. This is somewhat sad, because it means they are planning on keeping them for the forseeable future. Why would they do that with so many 737-700s on order?

Southwest took delivery of its first -300 (N300SW) in 11/1984, and the last one (the newest one) was N656SW on 09/26/1997. The 737-700s started coming shortly after that.

As has been explained to be by some friends over on the MX side, the winglet installations cost more and take longer (due to the internal differences between the -300's wing and the -700's wing). It previously didn't make economic sense to retrofit the -300s, but apparently the price of fuel has since risen to the point where it now makes economic sense to do so.

In previous posts on the subject, I had opined that not all -300s would get them, just the newest half of the fleet. With 59 orders and 31 options (90) that's a little over half of the 194 aircraft in the -300 fleet. It certainly makes no sense to spend the $$$ on retrofitting N300SW (22 years old) since its remaining service life won't recover the winglet costs as far as return on investment (ROI) goes. Likewise to whatever point the fleet age versus the ROI scale tips. If fuel prices continue their insane climb, it's certainly possible that the ROI changes, and another batch of older aircraft could get modified.

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:11 am

Why would they go and do a thing like that..hehehe? Now I won't be able to immediately tell the difference between a 300 and a 700 unless I see the landing lights or until it gets closer....  hissyfit 
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 4):
This is somewhat sad, because it means they are planning on keeping them for the forseeable future. Why would they do that with so many 737-700s on order?

What is wrong with keeping them? They are excellent aircraft and are still quite efficient. Further, it allows WN to use the -700s to expand long haul while keeping the lighter -300s on shorter hops.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 9):
With 59 orders and 31 options (90) that's a little over half of the 194 aircraft in the -300 fleet.

Just under half is what I think you mean  Wink

Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 10):
Now I won't be able to immediately tell the difference between a 300 and a 700 unless I see the landing lights or until it gets closer....

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 10):
Why would they go and do a thing like that..hehehe? Now I won't be able to immediately tell the difference between a 300 and a 700 unless I see the landing lights or until it gets closer....

Um yes you can the wings are totally different. And on the ground the -300s sit lower than the NG's
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Just under half is what I think you mean

Note to self: get fully awake before posting...  Wink
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 4):
didn't know they could do that to the 733. This is somewhat sad, because it means they are planning on keeping them for the forseeable future. Why would they do that with so many 737-700s on order?

They will be used for service expansion and WN have 194 733's which would take a lot to replace and expand
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 13):
Note to self: get fully awake before posting...

Don't worry about posting. Just make sure you are fully awake before dispatching.
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
Don't worry about posting. Just make sure you are fully awake before dispatching.

Precisely why I work 1-9, 2-10, or 3-11...  Wink
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 16):
Precisely why I work 1-9, 2-10, or 3-11...

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
I want your job

After the pounding some of our California desk folks took last night, I know a couple that might have been tempted to give them to you...  Wink
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:48 am

Very cool, can't wait to see them. Good to hear the -300's will be around for a while too. I wish the -500's would stay longer!

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 8):
Only the very oldest -300's should be reaching retirement age near the end of this decade.

Just as confirmation of this, Laura Wright (Southwest's CFO) said today that there should be a modest number of retirements of older aircraft (i.e. the oldest -300's) commencing in 2009 or 2010.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 20):
Just as confirmation of this, Laura Wright (Southwest's CFO) said today that there should be a modest number of retirements of older aircraft (i.e. the oldest -300's) commencing in 2009 or 2010.

That would make N300SW about 25 or 26, so that sounds about right...
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 21):
That would make N300SW about 25 or 26, so that sounds about right...

Didn't WN take first delivery of the 733, as well as USAir? IIRC, they both were the first operators of the 737-300... US took delivery in November, 1984, and I guess WN took delivery shortly after that. I guess they weren't the launch customer of the -300 then...
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 22):
I guess they weren't the launch customer of the -300 then...

Good statement, Southwest was considered the launch customer for the 733 because WN flew the 733 first in revenue service, even though US Air received the 733 first.

So in thinking it is defined as the person/business/airline to officially launch them into service, and that goes to Southwest Airlines for first launching the 737-300 into revenue service, again even though, US Air bought and received them first!

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 22):
Didn't WN take first delivery of the 733, as well as USAir?

Doing a little research here:

USAir took delivery of N353AU on 11/28/84
Southwest took delivery of N300SW on 11/30/84

A quick aside to OPNLguy or others from WN.....is WN considering transferring the CA-1, AZ-1, Triple Crown, etc -300 theme plane liveries over to -700 series aircraft?

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:50 am

Here's a -300 already fitted with winglets:


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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 24):
A quick aside to OPNLguy or others from WN.....is WN considering transferring the CA-1, AZ-1, Triple Crown, etc -300 theme plane liveries over to -700 series aircraft?

Oh boy that would be wicked! Just like they did with Shamu!

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 24):
A quick aside to OPNLguy or others from WN.....is WN considering transferring the CA-1, AZ-1, Triple Crown, etc -300 theme plane liveries over to -700 series aircraft?

I haven't heard of any specific plans to do so, but it wouldn't surprise me if we did at some point, most likely to coincide with a scheduled paint job. The first Shamu was N334SW, so it's been around awhile. I'll have to check the line numbers of the other aircraft with special schemes and see were they are age-wise.
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:19 am

Now if we can only get US to get some of these for their -300s...  stirthepot 
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 16):
Precisely why I work 1-9, 2-10, or 3-11...

Man, I would love that shift. I used to have that shift, now I am working overnights 11 PM to 8 AM.... think you could talk my boss into move me  Smile
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:18 am

Good news, those -300's will look very good with winglets.

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:36 am

Nice!
This goes in line with what WN's CEO said, that the -300s will fly at least till 2012....
They are very good and capable airplanes, and will be sad the they they are gone. Not to say that they will look really nice with winglets.
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 24):
A quick aside to OPNLguy or others from WN.....is WN considering transferring the CA-1, AZ-1, Triple Crown, etc -300 theme plane liveries over to -700 series aircraft?



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 27):
I haven't heard of any specific plans to do so, but it wouldn't surprise me if we did at some point, most likely to coincide with a scheduled paint job. The first Shamu was N334SW, so it's been around awhile. I'll have to check the line numbers of the other aircraft with special schemes and see were they are age-wise.

That is something I have often wondered myself. However, I believe all of the themed -300s have been repainted within the past 2-3 years so I'm sure they have a few more years left on that paint. Although, Arizona One was painted less than a year ago and it already looks as bad as it did before the new paint job.  crazy 

Anyone know why older -700s were used for the new Shamus? I have wondered why they didn't choose brand new planes for them...
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 32):
I have wondered why they didn't choose brand new planes for them...

Because it's in the contracted price that SWA has agreed to pay Boeing for each delivery. Any changes to that contract must be agreed upon and in place 2* years before said change takes place. If not SWA pay's a surcharge or something to that effect. In other words it wouldn't be cost effective.

* The time frame could be incorrect but I read it is a long lead time to allow Boeing to tool up for any changes.

Read SWA's financials to find the exact time frame for the lead time changes to the new aircraft production. Its buried in there somewhere because that's where I found it some time ago.

Does anyone know where the current re-paints are being done? The ones coming out look pretty sad after the re-spray. Peeling paint and runs. Not something very noticeable from the terminal but when up close, poor indeed.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:14 am

We were doing some at ROW but I haven't seen any there lately...
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:18 am

OPNL,

Thanks... I'll be at HDQ Aug 8th 9th and 10th for some training. I'll ask around and see whats up with the painting.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:29 am

Quoting SCXmechanic (Reply 33):
Because it's in the contracted price that SWA has agreed to pay Boeing for each delivery. Any changes to that contract must be agreed upon and in place 2* years before said change takes place. If not SWA pay's a surcharge or something to that effect. In other words it wouldn't be cost effective.

* The time frame could be incorrect but I read it is a long lead time to allow Boeing to tool up for any changes.

Read SWA's financials to find the exact time frame for the lead time changes to the new aircraft production. Its buried in there somewhere because that's where I found it some time ago.

Thanks, that makes sense. I figured it dealt with costs. Does that mean MD 1 and Slam Dunk 1 have been in the works for a couple or years? Or did someone, possibly a sponsor like the NBA, agree to pay for the costs involved?
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 36):
Or did someone, possibly a sponsor like the NBA, agree to pay for the costs involved?

That's something I can't answer... Its above my pay grade.. lol

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:58 pm

Do they still operates the -500 series? How many of them? They can't get winglets right?
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting Thering (Reply 38):
Do they still operates the -500 series? How many of them? They can't get winglets right?

Yes, WN opperates 25 737-500.

I suppose they could fit winglets to the 735 if they wanted to at some point?
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:03 pm

Quoting Thering (Reply 38):
Do they still operates the -500 series? How many of them? They can't get winglets right?

Still have all 25. Winglets could be installed, theoretically, but I don't think FAA has approved a STC for the -500s winglets yet. Not that many -500s around, and might not be cost effective...
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:13 pm

Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 10):
Why would they go and do a thing like that..hehehe? Now I won't be able to immediately tell the difference between a 300 and a 700 unless I see the landing lights or until it gets closer..

That's what I was thinking! BTW..How do the landing light differentiate a -300 from a -700? I know that the engine exhaust design is different and the inlet is more round. Any other ways to tell the two apart?
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:21 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 41):

That's what I was thinking! BTW..How do the landing light differentiate a -300 from a -700? I know that the engine exhaust design is different and the inlet is more round. Any other ways to tell the two apart?

Using Reg's.

N3XX, N6XX are -300
N2XX, N4XX and N7XX are -700's
N5XX are -500's

Exhaust is different yes, -700's have red canoes under the wings, top of the engine curves over the wing on the -300, the -700 just stops and flows INTO the wing.

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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:59 pm

Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 10):
Now I won't be able to immediately tell the difference between a 300 and a 700 unless I see the landing lights or until it gets closer



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 42):
red canoes under the wings

Yes, the -300s have grey flap canoes.
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:56 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 41):
Any other ways to tell the two apart?

Too many...do a search. The differences have been spelled out many, MANY times before. Too tired to go through them all again.  Smile All I will say is the most obvious differences are in the wing. The NG wing is completely different than the Classics' wing. A simple search through the photo database of window/wing views would be a good place to compare the two wings.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 42):
N3XX, N6XX are -300
N2XX, N4XX and N7XX are -700's
N5XX are -500's



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 42):
-700's have red canoes under the wings

These are only ways to tell WN's 737s apart. There are plenty of distinct differences that are not airline specific.
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:41 am

Here is a WN 737-300 with winglets:


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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:25 am

Unforetunately, N303SW sure really won't be one of the ones getting winglets...  Wink
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 44):
These are only ways to tell WN's 737s apart. There are plenty of distinct differences that are not airline specific.

yeah, like range of aircraft, cabin length, and even looking at individual routes that airlines run using specific aircraft depending on pax loads, range, etc...

On a side note, I guess nobody could tell me whether US 1531 from PHL to PIT on 1-1-2006 was a 733 or 735? I know it wasn't a 73G; it didn't have winglets like my flight out of PIT-PHL on Dec 28th... After looking at the registration numbers, the NXXXX numbers, I didn't catch what that was either. Considering that those could have helped me now, I probably should look at that when observing aircraft in the future...

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 40):
Still have all 25. Winglets could be installed, theoretically, but I don't think FAA has approved a STC for the -500s winglets yet. Not that many -500s around, and might not be cost effective...

So what will happen to the -500s? Will they eventually be phased out by more 73Gs over the years as they start becomming of age?
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 47):
So what will happen to the -500s? Will they eventually be phased out by more 73Gs over the years as they start becomming of age?

Probably. We took delivery of them all in the 1990-1992 timeframe, so based purely on projected -300 retirements, the -500s would be around until at least 2015.
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RE: Southwest 737-300s To Get Winglets

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 46):
Unforetunately, N303SW sure really won't be one of the ones getting winglets...

I never said N303SW was going to get winglets! That is just a fake picture that was made by a WN fan a long time ago. And how the heck do you know is not gonna get winglets hu!

So just read more carefully the replies before YOU REPLY DISPATCHER!  And check your spelling before posting your post.

JOE.  

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