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AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:59 am

AA is looking to improve their 757 fuel efficiency:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060719/sfw087.html?.v=65
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:07 am

According to the press release, a five percent savings in fuel burn is typical with this installation. I'm glad to see AA aggressively pursuing additional efficiencies, such as the low-drag MD-80 tailcones. Which, by the way, are being manufactured in-house to save money.

Now if they'd just impress us with an order for a certain new, impressively efficient airliner ...
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:09 am

Good news. I wonder why did Boeing ever offer 737 and 757 without winglets
 
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:10 am



Wow. Between this order and WNs order, it's a good day to be employed by APB....




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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:34 am

One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too.

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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too.

I've been surprised it hasn't been done yet.
 
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:42 am

Holy fuel savings, batman. Thats a lot of winglets!
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 5):
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too.

I've been surprised it hasn't been done yet.

Well at 200 additional miles per leg when going the maximum distance I see why DL was having them added to te ex-TWA 757s that they are getting next year

According to Great circle Mapper, it looks like you get a little closer to Germany with them from ATL, and they look like they make all of Italy accessible year roud from JFK.

If they save 200,000 per aircraft per year and fuel is $2.25 per gallon, you would save around $450,000 per year.

Does anyone know the price of the winglets for 757s?
 
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 7):
According to Great circle Mapper, it looks like you get a little closer to Germany with them from ATL, and they look like they make all of Italy accessible year roud from JFK.

CO figured that out a couple of years ago.
 
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too

Don't know about Delta. I know Continental did already.

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 7):
If they save 200,000 per aircraft per year and fuel is $2.25 per gallon, you would save around $450,000 per year.

450000$ savings per year and per aircraft; so imagine with a fleet of some 100 B757's, if they all get the winglets installed, in the long run the airline will save close to 45 million $ in one year.

Yes all of that is good news. I'm wondering if the remaining B737-800's still on order will get the winglets installed, if American still wants to take delivery of those.

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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:41 am

Installation takes place at TUL. Way to go AA!  airplane 

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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:29 am

Winglets.........seems to be the fashion.....LOL

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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):

Good job, TUL! Keep up the good work!  thumbsup 
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too.

Delta will do it soon...they do everything after everyone else does....
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:08 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too.

Alex

DL wants to use 757s on transatlantic routes, so i'm guessing they will for at least some.
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:48 pm

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 2):
Good news. I wonder why did Boeing ever offer 737 and 757 without winglets

Three reasons. First, they added to the purchase priced. Second, they have to be maintained. With the price of jet fuel in the '90s and early '00s, the savings didn't justify the additional expenses.

Third, I can't speak for the 757, but the 737 has a five-foot wider wingspan with winglets. Without winglets, a 737-800 could park at a gate that could handle a 727-200 or MD-80. With the winglets, 737s now are more limited in the gates they can use. AA didn't want to sacrifice the flexibility until jet fuel became so expensive.
 
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:22 pm

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 7):
Does anyone know the price of the winglets for 757s?

Well, as a point of reference, 737NG winglets usually run around $750,000-$800k/pair. AA says the modification on the 757 is much more invasive than the 737, so figure a set of 757 winglets + installation costs for one aircraft could be pushing ~$1,000,000.
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:24 pm

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 13):
Delta will do it soon...they do everything after everyone else does....

Now, now. This just isn't the case. For instance, Delta was first to...no, no, that was Northwest......Delta was the first...wait, no, that was United.......um.......Delta was the first to use the word "delta" in their name. See, Delta was the first to do something before somebody else did.

Actually, I could name some actual Delta firsts I know of...but they date back to the 1950s and before then...
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:35 pm

That looks like AA is not ready to order new planes, respectively the 787, yet, or at least only with a long delivery schedule. That investment is a signal that the 757 will be around for a while...
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:43 pm

Just how long in terms of flights or miles will these winglets pay for themselves? I think that figure may come into play for airlines who would like to get them for their fleet, but may not have the available funds right now.

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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:28 pm

Quoting DIA (Reply 17):
Actually, I could name some actual Delta firsts I know of...but they date back to the 1950s and before then...

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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:57 pm

they are $750,000 a pair.
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:05 pm

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 18):
That looks like AA is not ready to order new planes, respectively the 787, yet, or at least only with a long delivery schedule. That investment is a signal that the 757 will be around for a while...

You're right, they're not. The 757s and the 767s are reasonably young, the youngest 767 in AA's fleet is only 3 years old. I think you'll see more narrow body MD80 replacements(read:738s) before you'll see 787s, IF AA decides to start acquiring new aircraft again. Whenever that may be.
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:42 pm

Excellent. Nothing better than a fine B752 with blended winglets

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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:33 pm

I was driving past Fort Lauderdale airport the other day when I thought I saw an AA 752 with winglets.... I was a bit surprised as I didn't know they had any... but since I was moving quite fast on I-95 at the time I was not 100% sure that was what I had seen. Since they already have 8 in service according to that link, I guess I was right! Nice to know!
 
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:56 pm

Quoting DIA (Reply 17):
Delta was the first to use the word "delta" in their name. See, Delta was the first to do something before somebody else did.

Actually, I could name some actual Delta firsts I know of...but they date back to the 1950s and before then...

IIRC Delta was the first to use a hub network.
 
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:59 pm

Based on the maths in some of the posts above American should see a positive return on investment for these winglets within about 3 years. That is pretty impressive for such a large capital expenditure.

With this sort of return I could certainly see many airlines starting to retrofit winglets and in fact any and all drag reducing devices in the next few years with the high oil prices we have today.
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:12 am

I flew on one with winglets from KOA-LAX and it was sure sexy. It's also good to know not only are they saving fuel, but emmiting less CO2 as a result of less burn. That means it's not as bad for the enviroment.
 
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:42 am

Does anyone else think Boeing may have missed a mark here, closing the 757 line too early?
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting ROA757 (Reply 28):
Does anyone else think Boeing may have missed a mark here, closing the 757 line too early?

I think if it would have been economical for them to do so, they would have.
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RE: AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757

Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 26):
Based on the maths in some of the posts above American should see a positive return on investment for these winglets within about 3 years. That is pretty impressive for such a large capital expenditure.

With the installation of the low drag tailcones replacing the old style on it's MD-80's AA expects to make up the investment in little over a year.
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