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Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:03 pm

Hey everyone, i came back from Beiing on Tuesday around noon, on CA985 and while taxing to the terminal, i noticed that the old intl terminal had no more cement traffic divider blocks around it. Is this s sign that the terminal will be put back into use soon?
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:31 pm

Nothing soon. The barriers were removed since tarmac replacement was finished and some airlines use the area to over night planes. Interior, there was nothing going on last time I was there.

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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:30 am

There was talk a while back about Virgin America taking over the entire concourse. That as we all know is still up in the air. Before that the hot rumors were that American Airlnes wanted the terminal to themselves as they were going to replace SJC with SFO. Both of which have yet to be seen.
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:40 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 2):
Before that the hot rumors were that American Airlnes wanted the terminal to themselves as they were going to replace SJC with SFO. Both of which have yet to be seen.

Yeah, that was the plan. AA had ambitions during the Silicon Valley boom to move into this terminal. Of course that didn't happen, although I would like to see AA and AS move into that terminal together. Nonetheless the buzz is Virgin America might move in since it is the only space left at SFO for any significant operation..

We shall see.
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:54 am

What happened to the airlines at Rotunda A since they closed it? Weren't they going to move to Terminal 2?
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:36 am

AS739X is correct. The cement blocks were removed during tarmac repaving. Now the area is used for aircraft overnight parking. Late at night you can see up to 4 NW aircraft and 4 AA parked there.

The airlines formerly located in Rotunda A were USAirways and Midwest Express. US has since moved to HP at T1, where there were plenty of underutilized gate space since demise of TW. Midwest Express followed suit.

The old International Terminal is still used for storage, TSA offices, and the medical clinic.
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 1):
Before that the hot rumors were that American Airlnes wanted the terminal to themselves as they were going to replace SJC with SFO.



So who started that rumor and what would be the point of AA doing that? AA does not have a hub at SJC. The only AA planes I ever see at SJC are ERJ's and M80's. I'm sure that almost all of the passengers on those planes live near SJC, so almost 100% O/D at SJC for AA, and if you moved the flights to SFO the people who were on those flights would would just book with WN, because nobody in San Jose wants to drive to SFO for a one hour flight to LAX. So than AA would need to find a way to fill those ERJ's and M80's with a different set of customers. Seems like a pointless exercise to me.
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 6):
So who started that rumor and what would be the point of AA doing that? AA does not have a hub at SJC. The only AA planes I ever see at SJC are ERJ's and M80's.

It was not a rumor, and if it was it was started by the AA people in both Los Angeles and San Francisco. AA did have a hub at San Jose, thus San Jose helped to construct the new terminal with all of the expansion plans that American Airlines had up until a year or so ago. AA rotates the 777, 757 into and out of San Jose. SJC-NRT on a ERJ seems like a strech!

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 6):
I'm sure that almost all of the passengers on those planes live near SJC, so almost 100% O/D at SJC for AA, and if you moved the flights to SFO the people who were on those flights would would just book with WN, because nobody in San Jose wants to drive to SFO for a one hour flight to LAX.

Yes American Airlines relied to much on the San Jose O/D and were burnt big time with Taipei, Tokyo, Paris, New York, Boston, Honolulu, Washington D.C., and Kahului among others. Contrary to what you may be eluding to San Francisco is one of the largest O/D markets in the World and not San Jose. Like or not come October the folks in San Jose are going to have to fly to LAX, or drive to SFO if they plan on flying to Tokyo.
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 6):
So who started that rumor and what would be the point of AA doing that? AA does not have a hub at SJC. The only AA planes I ever see at SJC are ERJ's and M80's

I'm sure the daily (soon to leave, if not already) 777 and 757 were out on a lunch break when you were there....

Mind you there are also 738's and 767's on a need-only basis. Though due to reductions this is soon to disappear. Sad to see the SJC-NRT route cut, that it was always a nice treat.

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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:22 am

My company did some work on SFO when building the new terminal.
I used to do work from a grim office with no windows under the control tower and above the immigration area in the early 2000's.

I have to say I dont miss that terminal.

Even the shops were pretty poor.

I understood the terminal was to get a massive re-fit in a 5-10 year plan starting in 2002 until 2012, however the massive cost over runs and delays on the new terminal, the crash on the monorail just before it opened, and the dot com bust put these plans to rest.

I understand there are structural issues with the terminal also, which was the original reason for the desired new terminal move (that and joining the 20th Century).

I wouldnt imagine the terminal to be reopened much before a year from when you first start seeing scaffolding and workers on the roof.
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 7):
Contrary to what you may be eluding to San Francisco is one of the largest O/D markets in the World and not San Jose.

No I was not eluding to that. What I was saying was SJC is ALL O/D, and SFO actually has traffic bound for other destinations. This is the problem with SJC, unless local traffic can support a flight it cannot happen. My point was that the only AA planes I ever see at SJC are ERJ's and M80's (and a soon to be departed 777) and those little planes are full of O/D PAX's that will not use SFO, those PAX's will simply switch to AS and WN.
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:38 am

SJCRRPAX/MXPSFO: It was actually more then a rumor. It was almost an actual event. UA wanted the E gates, which they own, and so AA had to go somewhere. The AA lease was almost up. AA has/had done facility evaluations, but this will be costly to bring the terminal up to status. I was hoping for an LAX T-4 type of thing, but they won't spend the money now. To bad.

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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:54 am

For those of you that don't remember, SJC used to be a large hub for AA, serving two purposes. First, it connected north-south traffic. Second, it connected traffic from the north and south for points easts.

In the early 90s, every flight between ORD and SJC was a DC-10 or 767.

Then, after scaling the hub down, AA sold it to QQ, except for flights to ORD and DFW.

By buying QQ, AA effectively bought back its SJC hub. But with the dot.com bust and 9/11, AA just hasn't been able to generate the traffic needed to keep SJC as a hub.
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 12):
SJC used to be a large hub for AA

SJC was never a hub, but a focus city.

I think the old Intl Terminal at SFO should be used as an observation area.
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 13):
I think the old Intl Terminal at SFO should be used as an observation area.

LOL... What would the paranoia ridden TSA jokes say about that?
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:02 pm

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 13):

I think the old Intl Terminal at SFO should be used as an observation area.

It's actually used for other purposes for now. I once walked inside T2 to see a dinner banquet going on (a banquet for a church, I was told).
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:13 pm

Speaking of the AA Hub (or whatever you want to call it) in San Jose. IIRC, it was USAir that originally occupied Terminal A at SJC. Then with the leaving of USAir @ SJC, AA and WN moved in. Am I correct?
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting SFOFlyer (Reply 16):
IIRC, it was USAir that originally occupied Terminal A at SJC. Then with the leaving of USAir @ SJC, AA and WN moved in. Am I correct?

Sort of. Terminal A was built for USAir and American, but USAir got to begin operations first.

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Travel Weekly, February 22, 1990

San Jose Anticipates New Era With Opening of Airport Facilities

* SAN JOSE, Calif. - The opening of its first new terminal in 25 years and a long-awaited U.S. Customs facility at San Jose Airport have airport officials heralding a new era in air travel for Silicon Valley.

The first flight from Terminal A departed Feb. 11, when USAir began operating from its four gates in the sleek new facility.

American Airlines will move to Terminal A this fall after completing an eight-gate annex it is building to serve greater-than-anticipated traffic at its year-old San Jose hub.
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 13):
SJC was never a hub [for AA], but a focus city.

It was a small hub. But if there is such a thing as a hub that's too small to be called a hub, how small is that?
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 13):
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 12):
SJC used to be a large hub for AA

SJC was never a hub, but a focus city.

A good friend of mine is a pilot with AA. When he joined AA in 1989, SJC was listed as a hub, along with ORD, DFW, MIA, BNA, and RDU. Now, SJC and SFO were one crew base, just as EWR, JFK, and and LGA are part of the New York crew base.
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:10 am

SJC was indeed a hub with AA. A short lived hub.. shorter than BNA and RDU.. but a hub none the less...
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:35 am

Still could be if they made an investment, with new incentives offered by SJC AA seems crazy not to open new int. markets there...
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting Briguy1974 (Reply 21):
Still could be if they made an investment, with new incentives offered by SJC AA seems crazy not to open new int. markets there...



Oh gee, now you've done it. All the people that think San Jose is some little hick town between Fresno and Bakersfield are going to jump on you now. I've about given up telling people that SJ is the 10th largest city in the U.S., is the High Tech center of the US, has 2.5 million people living within 30 minutes of the airport, and almost all of the international flights out of SFO have a huge percentage of Santa Clara County Residents on board. It's really no use, to those people AA made the biggest mistake an Airline could ever make by trying international service at SJC. Demographics be dammed, SJ is a small little city, maybe somewhere between LA and San Diego.
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 22):
Oh gee, now you've done it. All the people that think San Jose is some little hick town between Fresno and Bakersfield are going to jump on you now. I've about given up telling people that SJ is the 10th largest city in the U.S., is the High Tech center of the US, has 2.5 million people living within 30 minutes of the airport, and almost all of the international flights out of SFO have a huge percentage of Santa Clara County Residents on board. It's really no use, to those people AA made the biggest mistake an Airline could ever make by trying international service at SJC. Demographics be dammed, SJ is a small little city, maybe somewhere between LA and San Diego.

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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 22):
Demographics be dammed, SJ is a small little city, maybe somewhere between LA and San Diego.

Actually right after San Diego - San Jose is #3 in terms of population - we are supposedly the Bay Area's largest city (population and perhaps square mileage) - we just don't have that little bridge.
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:38 am

Quoting Mikesairways (Reply 24):
Actually right after San Diego - San Jose is #3 in terms of population - we are supposedly the Bay Area's largest city (population and perhaps square mileage) - we just don't have that little bridge.

And Cable Cars, Fisherman's Wharf, Pier 39, Coit Tower, Golden Gate Park, Alcatraz, a bigger bridge, etc, etc, etc.  Big grin Big grin Big grin

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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:06 am

When did this turn into a SF SJ war? come on now, you guys are better than that. I live in San Jose and I know how old and dilapidated SJC is, and that Peir 39, alcatraz, etc are tourist traps, but thats beside the point.

Going back to the original topic, does anyone actually know what is happening with terminal 2 at SFO? is the remodeling done? Is anyone moving in any time soon? Or is it still in limbo cuz nobody knows?
 
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RE: Old Intl Terminal At SFO

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:26 am

Terminal remodel on hold until Virgin America makes definite plans...again. AA wanted to move there but cost were deemed to high. I talked to a airport duty manager and was told that SFO would like to relocate all the airlines at terminal one over to it while they tear down and rebuild terminal one including the removal of the US Airways pier. This would allow the completion of the New International facility. (three gates not used yet due to the old US air pier location). This is all speculation as I do believe any money SFO gets will be dedicated to the repositioning of 28r into the bay to increase the runway usage.