|Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 9):|
How wide are the seats in a 767 in 2-4-2 versus 2-3-2, and how does that compare to a 757?
Seat widths as follows (FCA
17.2" (6 abreast, economy)
17.9" (6 abreast, economy)
17.9" (7 abreast, economy)
18.1" (7 abreast, premium economy)
Old B767 config
16.1" (8 abreast, economy)
17.9" (7 abreast, premium economy)
Widths are the width of the seat cushion an do not include the arm-rest (2")
If Thomsonfly are only removing 30 seats it sounds as if the 2-4-2 economy layout is staying, but at the end of the day it all comes down to economics - First Choice could only afford to do what they did due to the financial deals negotiated with the leasing companies, Panasonic (launch customer for the full version of eFx) and Boeing (tied in with the 787 order)
The Thomson reconfiguration is likely to be a combination of a competitive one, as well as a practical one - with 318 (occupied) seats the 767-300 is very heavy, add to that the weight of the IFE system (approx 1400kg for 318 seats) and there are potentail performance and range penalties on the long-haul routes these aircraft are used on. The move to a low-density layout will address both competitive and performance issues...
The 8 abreast layout on the 767 is narrow, but having sat in the seats it is bearable - what gets me every time on long-haul is pitch (or lack of) which is why I'd go for a 10-abreast Emirates 777 at 34" pitch over a 9 abreast BA
777 at 31" pitch, regardless of how much the airliners.net "experts" whine about the Emirates aircraft.
I'm sure Thomsonfly will install the enhanced interior on the 767-300 fleet when they make the changes, it would seem odd to be spending all that money (and down-time) on the aircraft and not update the look of the cabin to bring it into line with the 767-200 and 757 fleets.
While First Choice Airways' configuration and entertainment package is still superior in my opinion, Thomsonfly's new product seems to bring them firmly into second place - their only obvious disadvantages are economy seat width and a more basic IFE product (touch-screen IFE means you can't offer games etc)
Monarch, MyTravel and Thomas Cook all offer inferior legroom and only very basic seat-back IFE, or overhead screens.
Just shows how the product cycle works...
A few years back Air 2000 and Britannia (remember them?!) were being panned for their outdated 767s, while Airtours and JMC were praised for their new A330s. After a bit of an interior re-work (and some name changes) the situations are more or less reversed!