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Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:29 pm

Changes to Qantas International Operations - Tokyo, Hong Kong, Auckland, Singapore

Qantas Airways will be implementing a series of changes to its Tokyo operations, effective from the 2nd of October 2006. The changes are as follows -


The current daily 743 service between Tokyo and Sydney will be replaced by eleven (11) services per week between Tokyo and Sydney, operated by A330-300 aircraft. The days where there will be two services operating will be Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday.


The current timings of the QF 21/22 will remain. The additional four (4) services will be operated at the current Melbourne / Narita timings.


The current daily 763 service between Tokyo and Melbourne will now be operated by A330-300 aircraft and will be operated four (4) times per week - nonstop on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday and one-stop via Sydney on Sunday. On other days domestic connections will still be available via Sydney.


The current three (3) per week A330-300 service between Tokyo and Perth will be changed to a 763 operation. No change to timings will be made.

[Edited 2006-07-21 14:34:17]
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:07 pm

What changes are there at Hong Kong, Singapore and Auckland?
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:21 pm

Does anyone know where the B743 will be utilised after being removed from SYD-NRT?
I think these changes being made to coincide with with the start Jetstar International

Quoting Humberside (Reply 1):
What changes are there at Hong Kong, Singapore and Auckland?

The changes with AKL are probably in regards to the new codeshare agreement which may come into effect in OCT 2006 i think
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:33 am

Are QF even still operating to BOM? Maybe they can deploy them on this route and quit the DRW stop? At least this is what I thought they were doing.
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 1):
What changes are there at Hong Kong, Singapore and Auckland?

Wasnt the heading about more than Tokyo?
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:50 am

Goddamit, I want to know about Singapore, Auckland and Hong Kong RIGHT NOW!!
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:27 am

Has QF determined already whether it will serve SYD-CNS-NGO with mainline QF planes after the demise of Australian Airlines, or if this route will go to JetStar?
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 5):
Goddamit, I want to know about Singapore, Auckland and Hong Kong RIGHT NOW!!

I presume Hong Kon would be due to the loss of skybed on those routes from SYD/PER/BNE????

As for AKL & SIN no idea
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:29 am

So why IS MEL being cut, is this because of the upcoming codeshares with OneWorld between JL and QF?
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 3):
Are QF even still operating to BOM? Maybe they can deploy them on this route and quit the DRW stop? At least this is what I thought they were doing.

QF are still operating to BOM with a TECH stop ub DRW. They used to operate a direct service to BOM with the B743
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 2):
Does anyone know where the B743

How old is the B743
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:15 am

Singapore is still a mystery, since there was nothing about it where the information came from. I am presuming that the Auckland changes are the trans-tasman agreement with Air New Zealand.

763's will replace all BNE-HKG-BNE, PER-HKG-PER and some QF187/188 SYD-HKG-SYD services from October.
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:00 am

In regards to the 743's, the only international flight I could find them doing is the SYD/HNL, 3 times a week.

However there are twice daily PER/MEL and twice daily PER/SYD flights on the domestic front.

Having had a quick look at the QF on line schedule, I cannot see many extra flights except the additional SYD/NRT flights with the 333's replacing 743's. I presume what growth there may be will be sighted when the Jetstar flights are loaded into the system.

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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting Fuffla (Reply 11):


763's will replace all BNE-HKG-BNE, PER-HKG-PER and some QF187/188 SYD-HKG-SYD services from October.

What about services MEL-HKG-MEL? Any changes on that route?
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 13):
What about services MEL-HKG-MEL? Any changes on that route?

No that service remains a daily 744 continuing to LHR!

AKL will lose 1 daily flight from SYD the afternoon flight ex AKL QF119/120.

I notice CNS-DRW-SIN goes daily from 5 weekly 763's. Not sure if there is more or not.
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:51 am

MEL/HKG/MEL is still part of the QF29/30 service to LHR, daily 744.

MEL looses out on the NRT flights, goes from daily 763 to 4 weekly 333's, 3 non stop, one via SYD.

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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:05 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 1):
What changes are there at Hong Kong, Singapore and Auckland?

SIN:
QF81 Adelaide - SIN 3x weekly(Th,Sat,Tu) will be extended to SYD.

AKL:
4x daily instead of 5x now.
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:25 am

It's shocking to see QF downgrading PER-HKG-PER & certain SYD-HKG-SYD flights from A330 to B763.

Considering they changed it to Airbus A330 to be more competitive with CX.
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:01 am

Qantas right now is trying to get rid of the 747-300, so part of this could be that they are trying to slowly get them out of their fleet.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):
How old is the B743

yup.
It was put into service 03/28/1983 and the first airline to buy it was Swissair, then the last delivery was in 1990 to Sabena. The -300 was the first 747 to really change, the upper deck was extended, they moved the circular stairwell to the back and made it straight. it also had better engines, thus resulting in 25% less fuel burn per passenger. -300 also increased passenger loads by 10% (mainly because of the extended upperdeck and the move of the stairwell to the back) there were 81 aircrafts made in total.

theres alittle history on the -300 if you want to know anything more I got my information from www.boeing.com

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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):
How old is the B743

i'm not sure how old it is but is has been refurbished and will stay in the fleet for at least another 4 to 5 yrs
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:28 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 19):
has been refurbished and will stay in the fleet for at least another 4 to 5 yrs

what kind of refurbishment?
for the seats last I heard (back in April when my brother flew the -300) that it still had the old business class seats. he said that they seemed less nice then the old 747-400 seats.
I don't know if you mean refurbished in any other way, or possibly if they been done up since April.
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:38 am

OK...here is what i just got out of a 767-300ER captain...

SIN/HKG/HNL changes

As of October 767 aircrafts will be flying to these destinations... from PER/ADL/SYD/BNE/MEL.

HNL will no longer see the 747-300...it is going to a 767 aircraft.

AKL will see the 747-300 on QF43/44 as per years gone by.

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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:22 am

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 20):

The QF B743 were refurbished and reconfigured for High density routes. Basically the have had PTV's Installed as well as new seats

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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:37 am

2012 to be exact...

they ae the only aircraft Qantas own.
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:04 pm

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 21):
AKL will see the 747-300 on QF43/44 as per years gone by.

I hope so, especially now that QF119/120 is gone.

QF's first 743 VH-EBT arrived in November 1984 and EBY the last in May 1987.

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 20):
for the seats last I heard (back in April when my brother flew the -300) that it still had the old business class seats. he said that they seemed less nice then the old 747-400 seats.

They are the same seats as the old 744 J seats.

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 20):
As of July 1st Qantas has 6 747-300

VH-EBU Nalanji Dreaming is stored and won't fly again, QF basically have 4 in service with a 5th used as an operational spare depending on maintanence.
 
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:10 pm

It still does not make sense to me for QF to downgrade HKG services from SYD, BNE and PER to an inferior 763 product while NRT is getting all the 333's. They could at least use the 743 taken from the SYD-NRT service (replaced by 333) and use it on some of the HKG services from BNE/SYD, the capacity there is necessary.
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:54 pm

I suppose this is only temporary.

QF's B 747-300 will remain in service for at least another 5-7 years. They have just been refurblished.

The B 747-400s will be in service for many more years to come. Maybe they will get the B 747-8 even
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting Fuffla (Reply 25):
It still does not make sense to me for QF to downgrade HKG services from SYD, BNE and PER to an inferior 763 product while NRT is getting all the 333's. They could at least use the 743 taken from the SYD-NRT service (replaced by 333) and use it on some of the HKG services from BNE/SYD, the capacity there is necessary.

Well from a utilization point of view it does - if you knew they fly the A333s here in the afternoon, park on a remote for 6 hours until departing late evening... If you want to park, park an old aircraft which has less potential to make money...
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:41 pm

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 21):
AKL will see the 747-300 on QF43/44 as per years gone by.

I'm pleased about that! Nice to see that it will be regular.. Far too many 763's heading here making the scenery quite boring. What are the main reasons for not bringing the A330 to AKL? Will we see them before the 787's arrive?

Does this change (743) also come in with the connection to CX's late night flight to HKG?

[Edited 2006-07-22 11:09:09]
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 27):
Well from a utilization point of view it does - if you knew they fly the A333s here in the afternoon, park on a remote for 6 hours until departing late evening... If you want to park, park an old aircraft which has less potential to make money...

Then why not park a 743? The 763's would use a lot less fuel than the old 743's, the 763's are also in higher demand in the local market, with domestic and short-haul international operations. The 763's are not good aircraft to be using on a route where the competitors fly some of the most advanced and comfortable aircraft in the sky, (CX, VS), especially up front. HKG is a very lucriative market if used properly, like all destinations.

I would definately fly a 743 over a 763 international anyday, so why has qantas made this big swing towards flying smaller aircraft, on lucrative routes, that offer very little in the area of passenger comfort!
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:29 pm

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 18):
Qantas right now is trying to get rid of the 747-300, so part of this could be that they are trying to slowly get them out of their fleet.

Exactly. The cost fo running & maintaining these birds is now getting prohibitive despite them being fully owned. As soon as the A380's come on line expect them to disappear.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 26):
QF's B 747-300 will remain in service for at least another 5-7 years. They have just been refurblished.


The B 747-400s will be in service for many more years to come. Maybe they will get the B 747-8 even

I doubt we will see these birds in the QF fleet in 3 years let alone 7 years! Also QF have ordered the A380, not sure why they would also need the 748
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:43 pm

Quoting Fuffla (Reply 25):
VH-EBU Nalanji Dreaming is stored and won't fly again, QF basically have 4 in service with a 5th used as an operational spare depending on maintanence.

I wonder how many will be in use after these changes.

SYD-PER 2 x daily (1 aircraft)
SYD-HNL 3 weekly

The other 743 routes seem to be 763 (ie SYD-MNL, MEL-PER). Also AKL's QF44/43 still shows as 763 in the timetables.

What are the other 743's doing?
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:54 pm

When are the 743's coming to AKL? Will they be here for mid-September?
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:07 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 32):
When are the 743's coming to AKL? Will they be here for mid-September?

All the other changes ar ein the schedules, I don;t see any sign of the 743 going to AKL
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:27 pm

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 27):
Quoting Fuffla (Reply 25):
It still does not make sense to me for QF to downgrade HKG services from SYD, BNE and PER to an inferior 763 product while NRT is getting all the 333's. They could at least use the 743 taken from the SYD-NRT service (replaced by 333) and use it on some of the HKG services from BNE/SYD, the capacity there is necessary.

Well from a utilization point of view it does - if you knew they fly the A333s here in the afternoon, park on a remote for 6 hours until departing late evening... If you want to park, park an old aircraft which has less potential to make money...

FYI.... one of QF's flights to NRT arrives at around 6am in the morning and does not depart until around 20:00 in the evening which equates to nearly 14 hours of ground time so I suppose utilisation is not really a major problem here.
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:38 pm

Can the A333 do SYD-NRT comfortably without payload restrictions? I'm planning to non-rev back from Down Under to Europe in Oct and via NRT is one possibility...

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 24):
VH-EBU Nalanji Dreaming is stored and won't fly again

Why is this? Did she have an incident or would she have been due for a major overhaul? I flew her in 2004 SYD-NRT, had a slight delay at gate as they could not get one of the RRs up and running  spin 
 
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:51 pm

Quoting OHLBU (Reply 35):
Can the A333 do SYD-NRT comfortably without payload restrictions? I'm planning to non-rev back from Down Under to Europe in Oct and via NRT is one possibility...

Yes, SYD-NRT is not that far, 10 hours maybe.

Quoting OHLBU (Reply 35):
Why is this? Did she have an incident or would she have been due for a major overhaul? I flew her in 2004 SYD-NRT, had a slight delay at gate as they could not get one of the RRs up and running

Yes she was due for a D-check and QF decided for some other reasons that EBU would not be required in future.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 33):

All the other changes ar ein the schedules, I don;t see any sign of the 743 going to AK

They aren't in for MEL-PER yet either and that was announced weeks ago. But it will be late October i'd imagine, in time for the summer schedules.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 30):
I doubt we will see these birds in the QF fleet in 3 years let alone 7 years! Also QF have ordered the A380, not sure why they would also need the 748

Once again, all these aircraft have just received D checks, so will be around another 3-5 years atleast. As to the 748 thats another matter but the A380 won't go everywhere and the gap to the 787 is to big though there will be some younger 744's plus the ER's that won't go for along time yet, weather QF opts for the 748 remains to be seen yet.

Personally though I still don't no why QF didn't replace the 743's in 2003/04 with a couple more A333's and about another 4 744ER's, seems they could certainly do with a couple of additional A333's now and they could certainly do with additional 744's to increase LAX particularly.
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:05 pm

FYI-
All these changes are due to the A330-200 going to Jetstar intl.

Watch for a release soon regarding other aircraft/destination changes.

The other 743 will be flying domestic trips.

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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:13 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 36):
Yes she was due for a D-check and QF decided for some other reasons that EBU would not be required in future.

Unfortunately, she is more valuable to QF in pieces than as an aircraft. 743 spare parts are somewhat of a rarity these days that it is essential for her to be used as spare parts to keep the others running!
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:16 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 2):
Does anyone know where the B743 will be utilised after being removed from SYD-NRT?
I think these changes being made to coincide with with the start Jetstar International

Syd-Per-Syd twice daily
Mel-Per-Mel twice daily

due to the A332 being removed from domestic service and put into Jetstar operations.
 
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting Qantas077 (Reply 39):
Syd-Per-Syd twice daily
Mel-Per-Mel twice daily

Thank for that Qantas077. Now that gives more reasons to go Perth and the west
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 24):

They are the same seats as the old 744 J seats

ohh okay thanks, thats good to know!

Quoting ANstar (Reply 30):
Exactly. The cost fo running & maintaining these birds is now getting prohibitive despite them being fully owned. As soon as the A380's come on line expect them to disappear.

thats what I had heard. the 747-300 is heavier and less fuel Efficient, plus it can't take off with as much payload, and can't go as far as the 747-400.

one reson that Qantas was mad about the A380 being late was because they were trying to get rid of the -300, but now they won't be able to get rid of them for a while longer. of course there are HEAPS of other reason that Qantas was mad about the delay.
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 41):
thats what I had heard. the 747-300 is heavier and less fuel Efficient, plus it can't take off with as much payload, and can't go as far as the 747-400.

oh well that is obvious the B743 is an older A/C then B744.

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 41):
one reson that Qantas was mad about the A380 being late was because they were trying to get rid of the -300, but now they won't be able to get rid of them for a while longer. of course there are HEAPS of other reason that Qantas was mad about the delay.

Well they are planning to get rid of them in 2010-2012 so the A380 will arrive by then. It would have been a waste of money to refurbish them and then retire them 3 to 4 yrs after
 
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RE: Major Qantas Japan & Hong Kong Changes

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 42):
Well they are planning to get rid of them in 2010-2012 so the A380 will arrive by then. It would have been a waste of money to refurbish them and then retire them 3 to 4 yrs after

Yes - but when they were refurbished & had D checks oil wasn;t at the price it is today. I doubt they will stay till 2010-2012
 
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting ANstar (Reply 43):
Yes - but when they were refurbished & had D checks oil wasn;t at the price it is today. I doubt they will stay till 2010-2012

yeah probably once the B787 arrive
 
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