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Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:31 am

http://www.continental.com/vendors/d...4B4CCFA6585FC275087D96&s=&i=PRNews
Then go to the first press release listed.

Good news, as this will fill some of the gap left by the departure of the 69 xjt aircraft.

Add the 24 Q400's that CommutAir will take a hold of, and that pretty much makes up for everything.

[Edited 2006-07-21 20:39:14]
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RE: Chataqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:39 am

so it seems that 44 50 seat RJ plus the 24 Q400's will replace the 69 ER4's Express Jet is pulling out of the CO system. Although the Q400's aren't finalized yet, I have to assume this is CO's plan versus losing 25 RJ's worth of capacity overnight...
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:45 am

-It may take years for those 24 Q400s to arrive.

-where will Chataqua source 44 50-seat RJs?
-will they be crj-200s or erj145s?
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 2):
It may take years for those 24 Q400s to arrive.

the order book for Q400's is hardly large. They could get them as fast as Bombardier could make them. The RFP for them went out a while ago, so an announcement could be made very soon which would still leave 3-5 months before next year...

I was wondering where the 50 seaters were coming from as well (and what type) - also wondering where the 69 Express Jet RJ's will end up.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:33 am

Will be E145's delivered fresh from the factory, if not they will come from our DL codeshare.



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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 2):
where will Chataqua source 44 50-seat RJs?

I was in Tucson Monday and Tuesday. One stop shopping. Tons there just waiting to go somewhere. Lots of Flyi birds.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:48 am

We do not want nor need CRJ's, our CEO has stated that emphatically. There are still plenty of E145's coming off the line in Brazil plus if we get rid of our DL codeshare that will free up some jets there. Also we still have 4-11 months before service is supposed to start.



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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:51 am

Interesting that RP will operate as Continental Express per the press release and not as Continental Connection.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 1):
so it seems that 44 50 seat RJ plus the 24 Q400's will replace the 69 ER4's Express Jet

Plus CommutAir is adding 16 planes larger than their B1900s. How many are growth and how many are replacement, they haven't said.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 7):
Interesting that RP will operate as Continental Express per the press release and not as Continental Connection.

Not really all that interesting....Continental Connection flies turboprops... Continental Express flies jets....

Now...my question. Is there any actual confirmation that there were 24 Q400's ordered? I dont' remember seeing anything offical on it.....

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:51 am

Also the press release does not say anything about replacing the other a/c being removed from service. So I do not see where the Q400's are coming from. Re-read the press release:



http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuot...06-07-21_19-26-08_n21197850_newsml



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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 9):
Now...my question. Is there any actual confirmation that there were 24 Q400's ordered? I dont' remember seeing anything offical on it.....

Very valid question, there has been a lot of talk about CO and the Q400.....and its more than just rumors, the talk is based in fact. CO has been studying the Q400 for quite a while; and everyone seems to know its 24 airplanes: 12 of which will to be based at EWR with the other 12 based at IAH but the Q400s will make appearances at CLE. As for anything official, I also dont remember anything being officially announced.

It is interesting to note that in this latest press release, CO specifically says that it does not plan on replacing the 25 remaining regional jets (69 - 44 = 25).....what do you make of that statement?
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:23 am

Our CEO has stated both that 20 of the 44 aircraft are already firmly sourced, and our company does have and is exploring the option of operating 50 seat CRJ's for Continental Express.

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:59 am

I can't imagine CHQ obtaining new aircraft for this, considering the way the regional industry is going and the glut of RJ's sitting out in the desert.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 9):
Not really all that interesting....Continental Connection flies turboprops... Continental Express flies jets....

Not really....
Continental Express is a part of main line Continental.
Continental Connection is contracted service.

Any new service not part of Expressjet, either jet or turboprop will be Continental Connection. This also marks the fourth carrier, not second as the artical said. You have Expressjet, Colgan, Regions Air and now Chautauqua.

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:14 am

However we are actually going to be referred to as COEX. Not CoConnect.
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:21 am

Good, maybe RP will transfer my application over to Chautauqua. I couldnt attend the May 25 due me being in school.

Hope all this works out.

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:24 am

Your application is for all 3 companies, not just for one. Call HR and check your status for a new class date. I know we have a CHQ class starting next week.



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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:33 am

Thanks. I will call HR on tomarrow on my break.

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 14):
You have Expressjet, Colgan, Regions Air and now Chautauqua.

And don't forget Commutair.
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:37 am

How you gonna call HR on Sat. Wait until Monday.


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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19):
And don't forget Commutair

...and Gulfstream.

I just read the Continental press release. I guess they are talking 'Continental Express'..which there will now be two. Very odd as I always understood that Connection was used on everything other then Ejet..
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:43 am

Jet is Express and turboprop is Connection
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:47 am

If I get employed I thank FutureFO. Congrats on RP. They're number 1 in my books.

FutureFO,

I sent you a message. I hope you get it.

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
It is interesting to note that in this latest press release, CO specifically says that it does not plan on replacing the 25 remaining regional jets (69 - 44 = 25).....what do you make of that statement?

I don't know what to make of it. The way it reads they're just saying bye bye to those 25 planes, and therefore saying bye bye to about 150-200ish flights a day that those 25 planes would operate. (assuming 6-8 flights each a day) Unless they have some strategy up their sleeve that we obviously don't know about, that's a huge chunk of flights to drop....so they almost have to replace them with something. SO the Q400 rumors might be true... but I've come to not believe very much on here without some sort of source.... too many threads go on and on without any kind of solid proof (i.e. the new B6 city thread today)

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 22):
Jet is Express and turboprop is Connection

Thanks for repeating what I said hours ago  Smile

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:59 am

From the news post:

Chautauqua, a subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings Inc. (Nasdaq: RJET), will operate 50-seat regional jets on Continental's behalf, under the Continental Express brand. Continental will continue to schedule and market all of its Continental Express regional jet service.

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 22):
Jet is Express and turboprop is Connection

Until today, that was not a true statment....

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:06 am

Back in the day when the Be-1900's and the EMB120 and the ATR were around. I am talking of current conditions.



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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:07 am

It appears that the first victim of the 25 departing airplanes is Boise. CO looks to be discontinuing IAH-BOI service effective 21 Sept.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:02 am

So much for a uniform product........ Kellner is slowly killing everything Gordon has done and everyone is noticing it.
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting FutureFO (Jet is Express and turboprop is Connection
):

A brand new Chautauqua FO and you think you know everything? I got hired with what, maybe 1000 hours?

I've been reading your kool aid laced posts for a while now and have been silent. However your constant boasting about how your company is better than any other has finally gotten to me.

You are not the only pilot on this forum, and I would bet that most other pilots here have underwear with more hours than you have. So here is a little advise:

If you end up flying the COEX lines, be humble and respectful when interacting with Express Jet pilots. You really are NOT a credit to your company and its pilots with your egotistical attitude.

Even though you think you and your company are the best thing ever, ExpressJet is very good at what they do and their pilots are very professional.

Your company may have offered a cheaper product than ExpressJet (although this is debatable as the actual figures are all confidential and it is widely known that Kellner wanted to diversify his RJ flying), but you do not offer a better product, as you stated in an earlier post. This is backed up by the fact that ExpressJet constantly ranks in the top 5 airlines, along with Southwest and JetBlue, in terms of fewest passenger complaints and also ranks among Forbes most respected airlines. So while I will agree you work for a good airline, I will not say you work for a better airline than ExpressJet.

The only reason you work for CHQ is that they were stupid enough to hire you. If you had been hired by ExpressJet (something I am thankful for that you were not), you would be the first in line crying.

My suggestion is that you tone down your boasting of how great this deal and how your company is the best ever. Talk to your many coworkers who have been displaced by Mesa or come from Flyi, and see how they feel and then, when you are around ExpressJet pilots, show a little respect. If you don't, I certainly hope you are not a commuter as your name will rapidly appear on the ExpressJet pilot forum.

I have no problem with the CHQ pilots who will be working along side ExpressJet, I only have problems with guys like you who think they know it all and act like asses.

See you on line and welcome to the Continental Family  

[Edited 2006-07-22 22:28:08]

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:31 am

Well, I'm certainly glad that Chatauqua is going to find the planes to fulfill this service agreement. I'm sure ExpressJet will find assignments for its planes.

Bombardier seems to be pretty happy with all of the talk about the Dash 8. Are there any other new turboprops on the market nowadays?

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 29):
So much for a uniform product........ Kellner is slowly killing everything Gordon has done and everyone is noticing it.

I was wondering if there was a report card out for Mr. Kellner yet. CO still appears to be doing well in my eyes. What say the community?

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:32 am

Hope AMA is not a victim  pray 

either way congrats to Chautauqua for getting the position and hope to see some of their planes up here!  Smile
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 14):
Continental Express is a part of main line Continental

No it isn't

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 29):
So much for a uniform product........ Kellner is slowly killing everything Gordon has done and everyone is noticing it.

The "uniform product" was the product of a deal made with ExpressJet that was a massive drain on Continental's finances. The Q400 deal and the reduction in ExpressJet flying makes excellent long term economic sense
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Mitchell Gant (Reply 28):
It appears that the first victim of the 25 departing airplanes is Boise. CO looks to be discontinuing IAH-BOI service effective 21 Sept.

Good catch. I know an ExpressJet IP that commutes to IAH from BOI, I'm sure he won't be happy to learn this.

But the "draw-down" of RJs from CO Express doesn't begin until January, so I'm wondering if this is just a seasonal change...
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
The "uniform product" was the product of a deal made with ExpressJet that was a massive drain on Continental's finances. The Q400 deal and the reduction in ExpressJet flying makes excellent long term economic sense

"Massive Drain"? Is that how CO pulled a $200 million dollar profit last quarter with Expressjet operating 30% of their domestic capacity?
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
No it isn't

Yes it is....although they have spun off some what, they still have very close ties to main line Continental. I have a long time friend that is in mid-level managment with Expressjet and trust me, the ties are still pretty close.

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:30 am

ExpressJet only generates $658 Million dollars a year for CO out of the $3.3 Billion but they are SO draining. The first plane will come out of service with XJET December 29, 2006 and will be in a paint shop that same day painting over the globe for it's flying assignment on the 30th of december as per Jim Ream. Other things I learned from Jim Ream:

1) They gave Xjet 69 of the newest aircraft, 44 XR'S and 25 LR'S.

2) Larry Kellner was thanked for this just as he put a berger in his mouth and then came the shocked reply of not knowing they gave up XR'S.

3) The 69 planes will be going to Charter, ExpressJet branded point to point flying, and another airline as feed.

4) New branding of XJET will be coming out so people actually know who XJET is, thankfully so they can tell why the product is changing.
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 37):
2) Larry Kellner was thanked for this just as he put a berger in his mouth and then came the shocked reply of not knowing they gave up XR'S.



Now that's funny.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 37):
3) The 69 planes will be going to Charter, ExpressJet branded point to point flying, and another airline as feed.

Question - the 69 airplanes will be used for three seperate operations?

1. Charter work.

2. Point to Point Flying.....under the ExpressJet name with no association with a major airline?

3. In regional work for an airline other than CO.

Is this correct.....I am not trying to be controversial and the Expressjet thing can be a touchy subject, but this is new info to me.

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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:45 am

Nothing is set in stone yet. Those are the scenarios that have been communicated to the unions as possibilities. Leasing all 69 planes to someone else and laying off hundreds of Expressjet workers is probably also a possibility, but of course, no one is talking about that yet.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting Wyorca (Reply 30):
A brand new Chautauqua FO and you think you know everything?

Flight Attendant per the profile

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 4):
Will be E145's delivered fresh from the factory, if not they will come from our DL codeshare.

That's an opinion. Bryan Bedford has been quoted as saying he is not interested in purchasing 50 seaters, hence the first 20 are coming from a third party lessor. The only way that there will be a shift of aircraft within the current fleet would be at the gain of growth in the 170/190 family.
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting Loggat (Reply 41):
hence the first 20 are coming from a third party lessor.

..and let me guess. They'll already be in Continental colors....?? I guess I know where those are coming from as they are the only E145's in the world looking for a home.
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 29):
So much for a uniform product........ Kellner is slowly killing everything Gordon has done and everyone is noticing it.

You're back? God help us.

Since Larry has taken the reins, CO has remained the most financially sound legacy. It has done so with a hell of a lot less in paycuts than it's legacy competitors, some whom, despite massive paycuts, continue to bleed money.

CO has kept up it's rep as a consitent airline, with a consisten product.

CO has seen it's international route system explode with new routes since Mr. Kellner took the helm.

Quoting Wyorca (Reply 30):
The only reason you work for CHQ is that they were stupid enough to hire you.

And so you take the low road? As a 19-year CO employee, that's not the attitude that's needed.

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 31):
I was wondering if there was a report card out for Mr. Kellner yet. CO still appears to be doing well in my eyes. What say the community?

I'd say he's done a terrifically good job under some difficult circumstances, especailly with skyrocketing fuel prices plaguing the industry.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
The "uniform product" was the product of a deal made with ExpressJet that was a massive drain on Continental's finances.

Exactly.
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:52 am

I would like to see some hard facts and figures that show Expressjet as a "massive drain" on CO's finances. Those figures don't exist, because we can't know exactly what expressjet offered and what CO demanded without sitting in on their negotiations. If the original CPA was such a bad deal, why did they ever sign the it in the first place when it was established back in 2002 after the XJET IPO. Oh I know, so CAL could give Expressjet a sweetheart deal, watch the stock rise, sell it all off, walk off with the cash, then give them the middle finger. Money Laundering 101. Guess how much XJET stock CAL owns today? Less than 5%.

Kellner and Smisek have been running an effective smear campaign against XJET over the past few months "We're funding your pensions by chinching on regional providers". Yeah, right. This whole deal stinks.

CAL just wants to diversity their RJ feed like Delta, USAir, and United have done (wow, sure has worked out great for those guys, hasn't it?). XJET probably could have offered to do 25% of the flying for little to no profit and CAL would've wanted Republic in so they could pit the two entitites against one another.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:49 pm

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 44):
I would like to see some hard facts and figures that show Expressjet as a "massive drain" on CO's finances.

The latest 10-Q shows a $19 million net profit from "regional operations", which includes XJT as well as the others. I believe this is the first reported "regional" profit since 9/11.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
The Q400 deal

Still waitin for somethin official on this "deal"..
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:50 pm

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 37):
1) They gave Xjet 69 of the newest aircraft, 44 XR'S and 25 LR'S.

Can someone put and end to the rumors on here? Everything that I've read on the forum so far has seemed to confirm what ANNOYEDFA is saying, the aircraft will be 44 XR's and 25 LR's, but EMBQA's post, reply 2 in this thread says that they will all be older LR's. EMBQA usually knows what he's talking about, so, anyone...The true story?
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:06 pm

ANNOYEDFA is correct. Expressjet will retain the 25 newest LR's and the 44 newest XR's.

It was done this way because the newer planes have more expensive leases than the older ones, thus leaving CO with cheaper leases on the remaining fleet.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Will Fly 44 RJ's For CO

Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:50 pm

Quoting Wyorca (Reply 30):

Ok well it seems that you do not know how to read a profile. I am not a pilot for CHQ, I am a FA, but I do not see what matters in the job that I hold. I am not a kool-aid drinker as you may suggest. I am merely stating facts. We were selected above other carriers as we can provide the same high quality service that XJT has.




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