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Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:04 pm

Looks like the AMC (US Air Force, Air Mobility Command) contractors are flying folks back to the US from Cyprus, which is to where the US Gov't is ferrying them after getting them out of Lebanon. I noticed Ryan Int'l, ATA, Omni and North American going to and fro the last few days, mostly with 757s, to LCPH and LCLK. Kudos for these guys for being able to squeeze a couple of evac flights into their charter ops, particularly on a busy summer weekend.

Looks like PHL and BWI (both significant WN cities) are where most folks are being taken to, with a tech stop at EINN.

[Edited 2006-07-22 05:09:52]
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:45 pm

Well, I guess this article explains why the charter flights seem to be going to PHL and BWI.

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20060722/D8J0PLRG2.html

Fair use excerpt: "Americans already in Cyprus boarded flights home or packed into shelters.

The U.S. government already has spent about $200,000 helping Americans return to the United States, an amount expected to grow.

A repatriation center opened Thursday at Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport. Another center opened Friday at Philadelphia's airport.

The centers are staffed by medical and mental health professionals, and have phone banks and computers to help people contact friends and relatives."
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:00 pm

Omni, ATA, North American and World are all running flights from Larnaca and Pafos. (Hopefully switching to all Pafos)

Thus far we've moved a fair number of people. With quite a few more on the schedule....
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 2):
(Hopefully switching to all Pafos)

Interesting. Is there a reason you prefer Paphos?

I notice that every listed flight that I have noticed so far has been on 757s. Obviously, if WOA has flown in there than it's not all 757s. But Omni, ATA, Ryan Int'l, and NAO are using 757s. Is there any particular reason for this, as far as you know, or just something as simple as typical group size?
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:50 am

LCA is swamped and is struggeling to handle the 'regular' tourist flights as well as the extra pax trying to get on the scheduled flights.

I beleive the reason that mostly 757's are being used, simply is due to availability. The widebodies are typically booked earlier and 757's supply additonal capacity and last-minute lift to AMC and others. And the evacuation flights came up on extremely short notice.
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 3):
Is there a reason you prefer Paphos?

As LN-MOW stated, LCA is swamped with their own flights, trying to handle thousands of other passengers is making them struggle even more.

While PFO has vacation flights, the airport has the extra capacity to handle the Ad-Hoc evac flights. The attitudes at PFO are a little better as well.

LN-MOW, are you in Cyprus? Email me.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 5):
the airport has the extra capacity to handle the Ad-Hoc evac flights

Too right it does... as long as it isn't a Wednesday or a Sunday.

I was in PFO the other week (see British Airways LGW-Cyprus-LGW W/pics (by Sam1987 Jul 15 2006 in Trip Reports)) on a Thursday, and the place was very quiet.
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 5):
While PFO has vacation flights, the airport has the extra capacity to handle the Ad-Hoc evac flights.

Gotcha. Flyer, I enjoy watching the flags in your profiles change as you move around on your various missions. What fun!
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 4):
I beleive the reason that mostly 757's are being used, simply is due to availability.

Fair enough. I was just kinda thinkin' that there's a DC10 we all know about that seems to do not much more than a weekly BWI-Ramstein turn, and which might have some time available. Or is it already being used for this and I just didn't see it?
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:12 pm

A couple of C-17s departed McChord AFB (KTCM) on saturday for Cyprus to help with the evacuations. I read that each aircraft was fitted to carry 100-200 pax each (with plent of head room Wink)

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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:19 pm

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 2):
Omni, ATA, North American and World are all running flights from Larnaca and Pafos. (Hopefully switching to all Pafos)

Thus far we've moved a fair number of people. With quite a few more on the schedule....

Hey, when you due back in town, chief? I can't remember what you said the other day cause I was so out of it.

Delta is doing two. One BWI and one ATL, and boy don't I know it.
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:33 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 10):
Delta is doing two

Looks like one looped in from Manchester tonight.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:49 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 10):
Hey, when you due back in town, chief? I can't remember what you said the other day cause I was so out of it.

When its done supposedly, we have flights through Saturday right now. AMC is taking it over from DoS and changing scheduled AMC missions to Evac flights, so it could go on longer. I have to go to Italy after that for a bit...
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:43 pm

Some news reports in the NYC area are reporting that some Americans from Lebanon are going via FRA and to McGuire AFB in Southern New Jersey. They may be adding them to regular flight runs used for transporting troops going to/from Iraq and Euro duty. As a number of evacuees from Lebanon are from the NYC, New Jersey and Philadelphia areas, McGuire may be easier for their families to pick them up at. About 100 evacuees are expected today. They expect these flights to continue this week for the remaining evacuees.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:26 pm

To Australia..

Orient Thai Airways B747-306M HS-UTK c/n 23137

Flight Routing: Larnaca Itl Airport Cyprus via Male to Perth (inbound)
(outbound) Perth direct to Cyprus.

Flight #1: OEA 7999/7998 Arr: 07.00hrs Dep: 10.00hrs 24/07

Flight #2: OEA 7997/7996 Arr: 17.20hrs Dep: 20.00hrs 25/07

Flight #3: OEA 7995/7994 Arr: 03.20hrs Dep: 06.00hrs 27/07


MEA1003 ARR SYD @ 0903hrs
MEA1005 ARR SYD @ 1004hrs

both MEA were today.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:23 am

There seems to be almost daily service to BWI from LCA. PFO would really be a better choice to launch flights from. Much easier to use.

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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:07 pm

Olympic is bringing a flight to BWI for evacuees

OAL4118 should arrive BWI early Jul24 from Larnaca.
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting FI642 (Reply 16):
Olympic is bringing a flight to BWI for evacuees

How very odd. Would that have been chartered by AMC/DoS or just that Olympic felt it could sell enough tickets on a commerical flight to get folks there? Frankly, I'm not seeing a lot of WOA aircraft in the air on their "normal" AMC work (although maybe some of these aren't shown of flightcomm, etc.) routes, so it seems like they should have some availability, but maybe not. If AMC had to reach out to a foreign-flag carrier, even one from the "host" country, that really says something about aircraft availability at World, Omni, North American, ATA, Ryan and Miami Air. (Miami Air, I see, is now in the mix with a 738 doing a Cyprus turn, and Ryan has had one 757 going pretty-much nonstop. Omni has at least one 757 and maybe a DC10 working evacuees. North American seems pretty busy already servicing its many ACMI and track-charter requirements for the summer, as well as its scheduled service to Africa and Georgetown, but it has been to Cyprus as well. I see that there is at least one WOA road dog on the ground in Cyprus, so maybe we're just not picking that airline's aircraft up on flytecomm, etc.)

[Edited 2006-07-24 06:33:43]
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:44 pm

Yes it has been 757 central out here, hopefully the OA 340 will back up just a little bit off of the 0315am sked. time.


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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:19 pm

It looks like World is doing a charter to PHL tonight
and several to BWI this week.

It won't surprise me to see other charter carriers
bring folks to the states. Air Atlanta Iceland was/is
looking to do a few.
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:34 pm

BH: Great photos! Keep 'em coming!

Also, guys, thanks for the info on WOA and the other charter carriers.

[Edited 2006-07-24 07:47:44]
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:18 pm

I saw an article to the effect that DL charged the Gov't just $1 for its flight to ATL from Cyprus. Grinstein himself was on board, and the flight wasn't nearly full, judging from the pax count. (Perhaps it was load-restricted so that it could do the trip nonstop?) In any event, Grinstein said that they'd do it anytime the State Department wanted them to, because "It's part of the Delta DNA."

On the one hand, nice job, Delta.

On the other hand, if I were a creditor in the bankruptcy, I might be asking why these guys did a flight for $1 when the regular AMC charter contractors are being paid to do this work, as they should be. Unless DL gets to highlight the fact that it's got a huge international network and comfy widebody planes (as in "Hey, we just took a plane that had flown into Manchester, England, and sent it onwards to Cyprus, which we can easily do because of our extensive international operation!"), it may not have been a worthwhile expenditure in a strictly business sense. I don't think that DL got the publicity it was hoping for. Maybe some intangible employee morale stuff or something, but maybe not.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:40 pm

Omni Air has been operating 1-3 flts into PHL each day. Typically stopping in SNN or Rome. North American has operated a flt or two as well as World mentioned above.

Any reason why PHL has been a destination for these charters?
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 10):

Delta is doing two. One BWI and one ATL, and boy don't I know it.

Did I read that right? DL in LCA/Phaphos?

hope someone has a camera if I read that right!

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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 22):
Any reason why PHL has been a destination for these charters?

Have a look at the article I mentioned in Reply 1. Apparently, PHL and BWI are two places that the State Department had a prearranged plan to activate repatriation centers in the event of a crisis in certain parts of the world. Beyond that, both spots have good connections to WN and to the various legacy carriers.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:19 pm

Quoting Foxecho (Reply 23):
Did I read that right? DL in LCA/Phaphos?

hope someone has a camera if I read that right!

Yes you did, and no they didn't. Its not really smiled upon here.

We can't even breathe here there is no time, its back and forth to Larnaca or Pafos every day, trying to chase down the flights.

Quoting FI642 (Reply 15):
Flyer732, did you get a burn at the beach?

Oddly enough, no.

Quoting FI642 (Reply 15):
PFO would really be a better choice to launch flights from. Much easier to use.

Maybe some day....maybe some day.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:07 am

There is discussion of puting operating hours/restrictions on arrivals into BWI.
Seems everyone is getting overwhelmed. That would make things interesting!

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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting FI642 (Reply 26):
.....and I'm kind of hungry for a ham sammich!

I know a place to get a few....if you really want one.

Callin in the reserves are you?
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 27):
Callin in the reserves are you?

Indeed, he threw in the towel....
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:17 am

Yes, I have called in the reserves. Just gotta keep 'em apart... if you
know what I mean.

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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:35 am

They just keep rolling in:

Continental N78003
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:53 pm

Does anyone know if Larnaca Aiport has a website?
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:54 pm

Does anyone know if Larnaca Aiport has a website?
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:44 pm

Quoting BH (Reply 30):
They just keep rolling in:

Continental N78003

I saw that lovely 777 on its way there. Very nice. And again, it shows how busy the military carriers are if AMC has to reach out to the legacy carriers.

Looks like Omni is in there with a couple of DC10s and World with a couple of MD11s, so the tempo must be picking up. Apparently, many of the travelers arrive in the US already ticketed to onward points from PHL or BWI. Lucky for the carriers there, like WN and US, no?
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:14 am

She came in this morning.

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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:19 pm

Local news is reporting 3,568 people into BWI so far on 16 flights.They should know in the next couple of days as to when the last flights will be. Not sure on the PHL side of this operation.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:04 pm

Quoting MEA (Reply 31):
Does anyone know if Larnaca Aiport has a website?

Unfortunately they do not. It's a shame !!
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:46 am

does anyone know if there will be flights to BWI today from LCA?? I need to know now so i can go to the airport and do some spotting
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting BH (Reply 34):
She came in this morning.

Thanks for that one, I was assuming that the Sunpapers didn't know what they were talking about when they said a 747 came in @ 1:20 AM

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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:34 am

No departing city on this one, so it might be a regular AMC charter or an evacuation charter

Airline American Trans Air
Flight Number 5036
Departure City (Airport) , (ETAR)
Departure Time
Arrival City (Airport) Baltimore, MD (BWI)
Arrival Time 07/27/2006 07:22 PM
Remaining Flight Time 05:51
Aircraft Type
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status In Flight

Airline Omni Air International
Flight Number 729
Departure City (Airport) , (ETAR)
Departure Time
Arrival City (Airport) Baltimore, MD (BWI)
Arrival Time 07/27/2006 04:38 PM
Remaining Flight Time 03:06
Aircraft Type McDonnell Douglas DC-10 (all series)
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 557 mph
Flight Status In Flight

Airline World Airways
Flight Number 1784
Departure City (Airport) Leipzig, Germany (EDDP)
Departure Time 07/27/2006 09:20 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Baltimore, MD (BWI)
Arrival Time 07/27/2006 11:22 PM
Remaining Flight Time 08:02 (planned)
Aircraft Type
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Planned
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:01 am

simple question: what about ATA's L1011, some are parked here @ KDFW, why aren ' t they been used for evacuation ?
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:17 am

Very simply said: They're all fully booked.

ATA has very limited L1011-capacity available on short notice.
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:49 am

Quoting Hush-kit (Reply 40):
simple question: what about ATA's L1011, some are parked here @ KDFW, why aren ' t they been used for evacuation ?

Like LN-MOW said, and to elaborate a bit more...they may be "sitting" from time-to-time, but they already have somewhere that they are committed to be soon, most likely for the US military on an already-scheduled mission. Given that these ships also need some significant regular care and feeding, trying to "squeeze in" a couple of missions could result in the inability to meet a military requirement, which would not be good in the long run for ATA. Also, there would doubtless be crew staging and availability issues on these missions, issues that are less-pronounced when you're talking about 757 crews, which are presumably more-plentiful (10 aircraft fleet rather than 4-aircraft fleet).
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:42 pm

Some foreign carriers are getting in on the act, MEA was leaving LCA two mornings ago with an A330 to YUL with Canadians from Lebanon. Good to see the fleet is still getting used while all of this is going on.

The flights are slowing down to the US, I'd guess an average of two a day now.

Looks like the end might be in sight.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 43):
The flights are slowing down to the US, I'd guess an average of two a day now.

Looks like the end might be in sight.

Too bad for you, your gonna have to pull yourself off the beach now? DOn;t forget my souvenirs. How many people do u have hanging around the airport these days?
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting FXRA (Reply 44):
Too bad for you, your gonna have to pull yourself off the beach now?

Beach? We've spent more time criss crossing this place from hotel to hotel and airport to airport because of changes.

There are two of us now, and 1 mx.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:03 am

BWI has advised carriers there will be no more evacuation flights.

I wonder what the real story is??

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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting FI642 (Reply 46):
I wonder what the real story is??

Yes, he's been to the beach. Maria is doing ALL of the work, as usual

Might be UAB tomorrow, still waiting to hear.

We're swamped now actually now that there are only two of us, its far from an easy op.
 
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:34 am

Welcome to the life of an ops rep!

Looks like UAB-ATL right now.
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RE: Air Evacuations From Cyprus

Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:25 pm

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 47):
We're swamped now actually now that there are only two of us, its far from an easy op

Thats why i keep getting SMS messages with beach pictures and hearing about how many beers u just finished while watching topless sunbathers... sounds horrid. All i have to watch is Lynn and Steve... its horrible!

Looks like we're done with LCA lifts.. as we're ferrying thru (i don't get it). But theres allegedly requests for more fligths. ANy idea how many are left? Maybe tis time we start operating flights for other nationals... LCA-PPT sounds good, or LCA-GIG. Or even better, lets evac some Aussies! Fam trip.
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