moparman
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What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:30 pm

This is primarily to Continental employees who may be able to help. What is the deal with Continental flight CO110 from Newark to Bonn? According to Continental, this flight is constantly late arriving in Germany although it generally leaves Newark on time. I am traveling to Germany in early August via CO110; one of the reasons I chose it was the early arrival time (0810). It seems that most every day, it is more than an hour delayed on average reaching Bonn.

Any ideas why is this happening?
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:18 pm

Lately it's been from alot of bad weather in EWR. On 7/21, it left 6:27hrs late from the gate and then arrived in Bonn 6:31hrs late so when it DOES gate off the gate, it looks like it arrives at the destination in the computer flight time given, at least for that date. Don't have the capability to check other past dates on this end. Let the weather let up and I'll bet the arrival times start getting better.

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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:06 pm

EWR has not been a pretty place this summer......flights push back on time and then sit for hour(s) on the runway awaiting clearance to take off.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:13 pm

EWR has been affected a lot by bad weather this summer. On July 18, after flying GVA-EWR and waiting 6 hours for my connection to YQM (Moncton, Canada), we got on board the plane at 1835 (on time), but stayed ON BOARD for 6 1/2 hours because of bad weather. We left EWR at 0100 and arrived YQM at 0330 local instead of 2130. The pilot told us that between 1830 and 0100, 101 planes were delayed for takeoff (after numerous "ground stops"). Not a pretty sight!
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:45 pm

Perhaps, because you are talking about Bonn. It looks like you are mixing up the airport (CGN Cologne/Bonn), which is actually in Cologne and the city Bonn, which has a train station with a 3letter code BNJ.

The arrival time by CO is in Cologne (because the flight goes EWR-CGN) and you need some extra time to go to Bonn by train. So the arrival time in BNJ is later.

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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:51 am

Hey thanks everyone....

The thing that really worries me, is that later that afternoon on the day I arrive, I have business in Frankfurt. I'm seriously considering cancelling my trip and rebooking with Delta as they don't seem to have the delay problems. I was actually hopeing that Continental had started their announced direct service from IAH to FRA already, which they have not.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:55 am

Also -

I forgot to mention this: CO50, EWR-FRA seems to depart and arrive generally on-time. Yesterday... CO110, delayed 6.5 hours and CO50 delayed only 45min even while departing at similar times 1845/1920 respectively. It can't always be weather.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting Moparman (Reply 5):
I was actually hopeing that Continental had started their announced direct service from IAH to FRA already, which they have not.

Have you considered LH from IAH to FRA? LH 441 (an A340-300) leaves IAH around 3:20 pm.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:12 am

I haven't considered LH actually. That might be something to look into. Hey Thanks
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting Moparman (Reply 5):
Continental had started their announced direct service from IAH to FRA already, which they have not.

CO never announced IAH-FRA nonstop service.......its been discussed, rumored and promised, but never officially announced.

Quoting Moparman (Reply 6):
It can't always

It is the weather......one of two things happened, CO110 got caught in a ground hold, lost its sequence accross the Atlantic and had to await re-scheduling while CO 052 made it out just in time avoiding all of the problems, or the inbound aircraft used for CO110 was very late arriving at EWR (due to weather) and took a huge delay.....it could have been that the aircraft that operates CO110 on that day diverted to another city due to EWR closing down. (Frequently, CO schedules 752 on a EWR-Florida City-EWR/EWR-Europe program.)

I speak from experience, as I fly with CO very often, fly transatlantic roundtrips about once per month, and spend a lot of time changing planes at EWR.....dont spend much time worrying about this. If the weather is OK at EWR, everything will probably go according to plans and if the weather is screwed up, everything will go wrong, and there is nothing that you can do about since neither you or CO can control the weather.  Smile Only on two or three occassions in hundreds of trips via Newark have I actually missed a connection or been very late. As stated above, the weather in the NYC area has been nothing short of impossible in the past weeks......things will hopefully improve.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:30 pm

I have no idea if there is a link but CO100 EWR-MAN seems to be more delayed than most whenever I lookout for it. It's routinely over 2 hours late into MAN. Yesterday was an exception, it was over 4 hours late (so was AC in case people think I'm CO bashing). Today however normal service is resumed, its gonna be 2h55m late into MAN! I am intrigued to hear that FRA is on time generally but not CGN. Is the CO B752 fleet overstretched in terms of rostering does anybody think? Or do they prioritise destinations when things go wrong, so that a FRA departure goes ahead of CGN or MAN.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:01 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 10):
I have no idea if there is a link but CO100 EWR-MAN seems to be more delayed than most whenever I lookout for it. It's routinely over 2 hours late into MAN. Yesterday was an exception, it was over 4 hours late (so was AC in case people think I'm CO bashing). Today however normal service is resumed, its gonna be 2h55m late into MAN! I am intrigued to hear that FRA is on time generally but not CGN. Is the CO B752 fleet overstretched in terms of rostering does anybody think? Or do they prioritise destinations when things go wrong, so that a FRA departure goes ahead of CGN or MAN.

My guess is that the 757s rotate between domestic and international flying and tend to be more affected by delays......the 757s fly more segments that the larger airplanes and delays can build from segment to segment, its been a tough summer thus far.

An example - the 777 that operates EWR-FRA probably arrives on most days from a European city between 1230 and 1500....has a few hours on the ground, and departs for Europe about 1830....thus, its not that sensitive to delays and problems at EWR. On the other hand, the 757's day could look like this....EWR-FLL 0915-1215, FLL-EWR 1315-1615, EWR-CGN 1830-0800+1.....if the weather is bad, EWR will typically be screwed up by 1400....the FLL-EWR flight will take an air traffic delay and then encounter further delays enroute trying to get into EWR and not be on the ground at EWR until 1800-1900.....the EWR-CGN flight will then not depart until 2000-2030, and then have to get a new slot accross the Atlantic, and sit in the line waiting to take off at EWR,,,,the entire process gets screwed up.

Note that CO 60/61, the BRU flights with 764s have also not been a pretty picture this summer......the turn time in BRU is only 90 minutes....thus if the flight is an hour late in arriving, is an hour late in departing.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:26 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
An example - the 777 that operates EWR-FRA probably arrives on most days from a European city between 1230 and 1500....has a few hours on the ground, and departs for Europe about 1830....thus, its not that sensitive to delays and problems at EWR. On the other hand, the 757's day could look like this....EWR-FLL 0915-1215, FLL-EWR 1315-1615, EWR-CGN 1830-0800+1.....if the weather is bad, EWR will typically be screwed up by 1400....the FLL-EWR flight will take an air traffic delay and then encounter further delays enroute trying to get into EWR and not be on the ground at EWR until 1800-1900.....the EWR-CGN flight will then not depart until 2000-2030, and then have to get a new slot accross the Atlantic, and sit in the line waiting to take off at EWR,,,,the entire process gets screwed up.

I agree with you Dutchet. On a recent EWR-SNN flight on a 752, I spent a few hours chatting with the flight attendants in the galley about their pairings. They did indeed say that due to CO's international expansion, they were a bit stretched. The 757 is being used a lot for transatlantics, which in itself is not a problem; the problem, in terms of scheduling, are the fuel stop in YQX (Gander) that are sometimes necessary on the way back from certain cities. Several of them have had to work flights that have had to make stops in YQX for refuelling (more so in the winter). "Problem" 757 flights were, according to them, ARN-EWR, OSL-EWR, CPH-EWR, TXL-EWR and HAM-EWR. When a stop in YQX is required, that can screw up the schedule if the plane used is slated for, say, a Florida turn-around not long after. As you said, the 764s are not scheduled as tightly as they don't do much domestic flying (between European flights).

On my way back from Europe, I noticed that our 762 used on GVA-EWR (which arrived at 1230) was only scheduled to leave for IAH at 1510, which leaves a bit of a buffer. I believe that EWR-IAH-EWR are the only dometic routes flown by the 762 at the moment.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting Matt (Reply 12):
are the fuel stop in YQX (Gander) that are sometimes necessary on the way back from certain cities. Several of them have had to work flights that have had to make stops in YQX for refuelling (more so in the winter). "Problem" 757 flights were, according to them, ARN-EWR, OSL-EWR, CPH-EWR, TXL-EWR and HAM-EWR.

This is completely incorrect...........757s have stopped in Gander a handful of times in the past year, and mainly due to warnings that there would be huge ATC delays at EWR and the stop was a precaution. The problems are during the Summer, when operations at EWR can be difficult, and not during the winter when loads are generally lighter and EWR does not get hit with thunderstorms every afternoon.

I am sure that the F/As were very nice and very capable, but information received from F/As concerning operation matters is usually not correct.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
I am sure that the F/As were very nice and very capable, but information received from F/As concerning operation matters is usually not correct.

Possibly, but that is what I was told. Three of them recall having had to land in YQX in the spring. Would they just make that up? Possibly.

Just curious, do you work with CO ops? If not, how can you be so sure of the information you possess?
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting Matt (Reply 14):
If not, how can you be so sure of the information you possess?

Dutchjet is highly knowledgeable about CO. His past posts are very informative and accurate.

I am a CO flight attendant (ISM) and rarely do our long-haul 757s stop for fuel. IF EWR ATC will be busy or if weather is to be an issue, a fuel stop is planned. I fly the 757 a lot. I like to work the a/c and in all the years I have flown it internationally, I have yet to make a fuel stop.

Operationally, our 757s are sent domestically on turns after arriving from a European destination, whereas our 767/777 are turned back to Asia/Europe. The occasional trip down to IAH and vice versa for our widebodies is to rotate them in the system.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:28 am

Hi EWR cabin crew! I take it you're a Canadian living in the US working for CO. How does that work in terms of work permits? I know I'm off subject here...

As for the stops in YQX, I never said they were frequent. I just said "sometimes", which in retrospect can be ambiguous. And I was only relating what I was told by the FAs. So are you a "domestic FA" or "Intl. FA". I was told there were two categories? I used to work for a Canadian charter airline as an FA and crossed the pond many times in the 757!
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Matt (Reply 14):
Three of them recall having had to land in YQX in the spring.

Three of them, probably all working together, landed at YQX once - last Spring - that remark leads you to this conclusion?

Quoting Matt (Reply 12):
The 757 is being used a lot for transatlantics, which in itself is not a problem; the problem, in terms of scheduling, are the fuel stop in YQX (Gander) that are sometimes necessary on the way back from certain cities. Several of them have had to work flights that have had to make stops in YQX for refuelling (more so in the winter). "Problem" 757 flights were, according to them, ARN-EWR, OSL-EWR, CPH-EWR, TXL-EWR and HAM-EWR.

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Quoting Matt (Reply 14):
Possibly, but that is what I was told

I am sure thats what you were told.....did I doubt that you were told this info?
NO, I did not.......what I said was that F/As are not great sources for reliable operations info for any airline.

Quoting Matt (Reply 14):
Just curious, do you work with CO ops? If not, how can you be so sure of the information you possess?

I dont work for CO ops....but you can trust the info. Its up to you.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 17):
NO, I did not.......what I said was that F/As are not great sources for reliable operations info for any airline.

I guess I can't agree with you totally on this issue. While some are not reliable sources, I'm sure there are some who are very knowledgable, depending on where they get their info. Kinda like you, I guess.  Smile
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:47 am

F/As are about the least reliable source when it comes to industry info (of course no offense or disrespect to the F/As intended)--in fact you probably will know more from following these a.net threads.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Matt (Reply 16):
Hi EWR cabin crew! I take it you're a Canadian living in the US working for CO. How does that work in terms of work permits? I know I'm off subject here...

Quick off topic, I married a Canadian. We live in AZ for now (subject to change). EWR and IAH bases are divided into three bases, respectively. IAH has IAH designator for domestic flying, HTA for international and HOS for foreign language speaking FAs. EWR has EWR for domestic, NTA for international and NLS for foreign language speaking FAs.

I am an ISM (International Service Manager (read: purser)).

Back to the topic, I wish our 757s would follow in the shadow of our wide bodies and be used for international flying only. It would reduce delays on the outbound (EWR) flying. Just got back from AMS yesterday. The inbound was late because EWR got hammered with weather. It landed at 8:05 local AMS time and we turned it quickly, as we left on time and arrived back to EWR early, by almost half and hour.

Matt, who did you work for?

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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 19):
F/As are about the least reliable source when it comes to industry info (of course no offense or disrespect to the F/As intended)--in fact you probably will know more from following these a.net threads.

None taken. I stay abreast of what goes on from here and at work. I will add, I have been here 20 years with CO and have a pretty good idea of what goes on here operationally. There are a few of us who are in tune to what goes on and can offer reliable info to those wanting to know. I give what info I can accurately and if I do not know, I state such or find out for both of us to know.

I love this industry too much not to pass on correct information. It is in my blood.

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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:06 am

757 fuel stops are 90% of the time due to congestion as a result of FAA-imposed restrictions on NYC airspace. The airplane is quite robust and very capable of operating the dispatched routes with profitable loads, however when circumstances beyond our control come together in such a way, we feel, as professionals, it is a prudent measure to divert and take on some additional juice to avoid the issue of declaring a fuel emergency on our descent.

Oftentimes, a tech stop in Gander or elsewhere usually adds no more than an hour to total flight time.

You'll find that the incidence of such stops are greatly exaggerated on these forums, and that our completion rate for all transatlantic operations is very high.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:23 am

Thanks for the info, EWRCabincrew

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 20):
Matt, who did you work for?

Well, first I worked (in the early 90s) for a now-defunct Canadian charter airline called Nationair. They flew 757s, DC8s and 747s on charter flights from Canada to Europe and the Carribean (among other places). They also did a lot of contracts for airlines such as Gardua and Nigerian (for Hajj flights) and many others (Air France, for ex.).

I liked working the 757 for transatlantic, although I do prefer 2 aisles (for mobility in the cabin). Nationair's 757s, however, had 228 seats (in one class, of course), which made sometimes made uncomfortable for passengers on long flights (such as YVR-YYC-KEF-LGW).
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 17):
Quoting Matt (Reply 14):
Just curious, do you work with CO ops? If not, how can you be so sure of the information you possess?

I dont work for CO ops....but you can trust the info. Its up to you.

To give credit where credit is due....Dutchjet probably has more accuracy than some of our CO Ops people...
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:39 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 15):
I am a CO flight attendant (ISM) and rarely do our long-haul 757s stop for fuel. IF EWR ATC will be busy or if weather is to be an issue, a fuel stop is planned. I fly the 757 a lot. I like to work the a/c and in all the years I have flown it internationally, I have yet to make a fuel stop.

EWRCabincrew, sorry I missed you out here in PHX the other morning, was really busy preparing an IAH flight leaving at 520am! Coming out again soon?

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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 24):
To give credit where credit is due....Dutchjet probably has more accuracy than some of our CO Ops people...

thanks.......re-reading the post, I now feel a bit bad because I was really not challenging MATT, its just that there is a lot of misinformation about the 757s accorss the Atlantic out there, and I wanted to avoid yet another discussion where we will hear that the 757s are very frequent visitors to Gander.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 26):
Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 24):
To give credit where credit is due....Dutchjet probably has more accuracy than some of our CO Ops people...

thanks.......re-reading the post, I now feel a bit bad because I was really not challenging MATT, its just that there is a lot of misinformation about the 757s accorss the Atlantic out there, and I wanted to avoid yet another discussion where we will hear that the 757s are very frequent visitors to Gander.

TO me, and I'm sure others, it didn't seem that you challenging Matt, it is just as you said...alot of info about the 757s transatlantic probably does get confusing. I don't know about it at all so I don't make too many comments about the subject. I have crossed the Atlantic a few times but it was back when we were using the great 747s from PE! Loved those birds!

Additionally, Matt did make good comments and it didn't seem that he was arguing the case, just that he possibly hasn't read or been privy to your posts and the accurate knowledge you have about CO and it's operations, hince the questions he has about where you get your info.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 25):
EWRCabincrew, sorry I missed you out here in PHX the other morning, was really busy preparing an IAH flight leaving at 520am! Coming out again soon?


Will be going out on 734 to EWR on Wednesday. Maybe see you then?

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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 28):
Will be going out on 734 to EWR on Wednesday. Maybe see you then?

Bill

Sorry this is NOT the subject of the thread about CO110, but yes, will be there...Weds starts my weekend and I leave at 500am..maybe you'll be out to the a/c(flt734) around what time? I can stay over some past 5am.

Thanks for your info input about our 757s and CO's tranatlantic flights. I have found that some of our F/A's do have very accurate info regarding CO ops. Someday, my wife and I will get back over to Europe and possibly be on one of your flts!

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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:18 am

Hi everyone. Don't worry, I didn't feel challenged at all, nor was I arguing against Dutchjet. I was simply relating what I was told by the FAs on my EWR-SNN flight. As I said, some DO exagerate (having worked as an FA myself, I know for a fact that that some can in fact exagerate), while some have access to more accurate info.

So if this is exagerated (the frequency of the stops in YQX), I would much rather know the truth. Like I said, no hard feelings on my part whatsoever.

On a related note, Dutchjet, do you know what CO's plans are with regards to their 762s and 764s for the years to come (i.e. after the arrival of the 787)? This was the first time I flew on one of CO's 762s and I really thought it was a nice aircraft.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting Matt (Reply 30):
On a related note, Dutchjet, do you know what CO's plans are with regards to their 762s and 764s for the years to come (i.e. after the arrival of the 787)? This was the first time I flew on one of CO's 762s and I really thought it was a nice aircraft.

Thanks.

The 764s are not going anywhere and will fly side by side with the 787s for years to come.....the 764s are extremely effecient airplanes and do quite well on the varied routes that they fly. The 787s will fly some new longer haul segments, the long discussed IAH-MAD and IAH-FRA routes have been mentioned for example, and some think that the 787s may find their way to new Asian destinations.

The 762s are another story......the 762s are good airplanes, but are not the most fuel effecient alternative around. One group says that the 762s are going to stay....they are new and are right sized for some thin longer range EU routes that are beyond the range of the 752; the second group believes that the 762s will be sold off (likely for freighter conversion) after the first ten 787s are delivered, ie, the first 10 787s are for expansion and second ten will replace the 762s one-for-one....there was a remark in the press release issued when CO announced the order for ten additional 787s and it did say that the additional 787s would be used to replace existing airliners.

Long story short....no clear answer. I think so much depends on the price of fuel, the state of the world, the condition of the US economy and what CO's financial position is three or four years from now. We live in a rather crazy world at the moment......its hard to predict what will happen tomorrow, never mind years into the future. If things are going well, the 762s will hang around until even more 787s are ordered and delivered, if things are not going well, the 762s will be retired from the CO fleet.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:41 am

Thanks, Dutchjet.

It will indeed interesting too see what happens to the 762. I figured, as you said, there was more chance that they keep the 764 as it is an efficient aircraft. I haven't flown on one yet (it's hard when only 2 airlines use it!), but I'm sure I will soon, seeing that CO (Express) now serves my hometown (YQM) and that I will be using CO more than ever. The only thing is that CO only has the one flight a day from YQM-EWR (early a.m.), which makes for a long wait for the European flights (although it is great for spotting or a day trip to Manhattan, as I did last time).

I must add that was extremely pleased with the CO experience all in all. I usually fly AC or European carriers to Europe, so this was my first time flying from Canada to Europe via the U.S. The only thing... On my way back from EWR to YQM on Jul. 18, we waited 6 1/2 hours inside the ERJ-145 before taking off!!! It was due to bad weather (even hail!). But that had nothing do to with CO!

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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting Matt (Reply 32):
I haven't flown on one yet (it's hard when only 2 airlines use it!),

Matt, if and when you do get the chance to fly on a 764, your in for a treat....very nice aircraft! I've flown it 4 times from IAH-GRU round trip twice.. very nice in Y, let alone F. Nice comfortable ride and quiet, with a fairly good IFE service.

Cheers,
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 33):
Matt, if and when you do get the chance to fly on a 764, your in for a treat....very nice aircraft! I've flown it 4 times from IAH-GRU round trip twice.. very nice in Y, let alone F. Nice comfortable ride and quiet, with a fairly good IFE service.

I will definitely have to find a way of getting on board one of those 764. My next potential trips abroad, in the next year, include EZE, HAM and BRU. Coincidentally, they are all served by CO. I'm pretty sure that HAM is served by a 752 (and would anyway not warrant a 764). But I might get lucky with BRU or EZE!

In what way does the interior of the 764 differ from that of the 762?

Thanks!
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Matt (Reply 34):
In what way does the interior of the 764 differ from that of the 762?

Thanks!

Well, obivoulsy longer for one, but to be honest I haven't had the chance to fly on one our 762s, so I don't know the layout of the interior. I would imagine very similiar though. They are older and would think the PSU's(passenger service units) and IFEs could be different but don't know for sure.
The 764s are very similiarly set up like the 777s from what I've heard as I also haven't had the chance to fly a 777 yet either. I was on the very 1st one from Boeing back in 1995 though when it came down from SEA to UA there in Denver. I went up inside to check it out and was very nice, but that was 11 years ago and they've probably been updated quite abit.

Sorry I can't give any 762 vrs. 764 interior differences..  Sad  Sad Maybe Dutchjet or some other A.netter?? of CO employee??

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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting Matt (Reply 34):
In what way does the interior of the 764 differ from that of the 762?

I've been on both, and I can say with some certainty that they're virtually identical. About the only difference that I can think of is that the 764 has 777-style windows - they're larger and a little rounder, but that's about the extent of the noticeable differences. Maybe one of the CO people here can give a little more insight, but that's all I've noticed from a pax perspective.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:17 am

From my experience the 762 and 764 are virually identical--as an aside I'll be on CO52 IAH-EWR on Tuesday.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 37):
From my experience the 762 and 764 are virually identical--as an aside I'll be on CO52 IAH-EWR on Tuesday.

I agree - the interior of the airplanes are bascially identical.....except of course the 764s are longer with more seats and the 764s have 777-shaped windows which give a slightly more modern appearance.

CO did a good job outfitting the 767s.....very comfortable bizfirst cabins (gotta love the 2-1-2 set up) and coach is quite comfortable as well. The 777 style interior makes the interior look very modern....its amazing what a difference the new interior makes in the 767, who would of thought that using differently shaped panels would make such a difference? PTVS all around and flat screen monitors complete the package. The CO 767s are very nice airplanes.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:38 am

The one thing about the 767-400 that crews are not too hip on, as opposed to the 767-200, is the fact there is no lav in the very rear of the aircraft. If there were to be a lav in the very aft, it would be perfection.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 39):
The one thing about the 767-400 that crews are not too hip on, as opposed to the 767-200, is the fact there is no lav in the very rear of the aircraft. If there were to be a lav in the very aft, it would be perfection.

Dumb question - is this because the crew itself would find a rear lav more convenient for their own needs (understandable) or because passengers in the Y section are constantly wandering to the rear of the airplane looking for a lav?

Once, on a 764, I took a stroll to the back to get a can of diet coke, and as soon as I knocked (did not want to startle the F/A), before I could say a word, she said that the lavs were forward....I said that I knew and was just wanted a drink and we laughed, she apologized and said it was an automatic response.

(This is the second bathroom discussion this week about CO....the first was about the 738 mid cabin lav........I guess that a.net is going to the the toilet?)
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 40):
Dumb question - is this because the crew itself would find a rear lav more convenient for their own needs (understandable) or because passengers in the Y section are constantly wandering to the rear of the airplane looking for a lav?

Not dumb at all. More convenient is the first response. Especially to wash our hands after picking up the meal service. The second part is passengers, logically, come to the back looking for one. Haven't the slightest clue who masterminded this layout.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 40):
Once, on a 764, I took a stroll to the back to get a can of diet coke, and as soon as I knocked (did not want to startle the F/A), before I could say a word, she said that the lavs were forward....I said that I knew and was just wanted a drink and we laughed, she apologized and said it was an automatic response.

I chuckeled at this.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 39):
The one thing about the 767-400 that crews are not too hip on, as opposed to the 767-200, is the fact there is no lav in the very rear of the aircraft. If there were to be a lav in the very aft, it would be perfection.

Funny you should mention the lav, because I thought the 762 didn't have any lav at the back of the aircraft. It turns out that there is one, but only on one side, which forces you to go through the galley if you're on the "wrong side". But at least there is one there.

And CO's 762s are indeed very nice (compared to sone of AC's 762s...).
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:44 am

The CO 762 is my favorite CO bird.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:55 am

Well, today (Sun) was the first day this week that we did'nt have severe thunderstorms in the afternoon. CO110 left about 10 min late. So you see if the weather cooperates the flights go out pretty much on time. EWR has really been getting severe weather this summer.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:16 pm

Not to be a party pooper here, but I have a couple of beefs with CAL's 767 interiors.First is that there are no air vents for the pax to adjust(777 also), so many times you will see them turning the lights in an attempt to get some air blowing. My second beef is that it always freezing near the overwing exits on these planes.Many times we have to call for extra blankets so that whoever is sitting there doesn't get hypothermia.We have to constantly call the cockpit to "warm it up" near the overwings, but its pretty useless since the rest of the cabin then gets too hot. A Boeing engineer buddy of mine said these plug exits dont have enough insulation around them. I recall the 757's used to be very cold in the galley areas until they were corrected. No such luck with the 767's. Still my favorite bird at CAL. P.S. I like having all the lavs away from the rear galley on the 400. Our crew rest seaats are in the back and its noisy enough.Inflight management also wanted the lavs in the middle of the plane so that there would be no lines at the rear of the aircraft blocking our service, ala the 737/757.
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:02 pm

Hey thanks everyone... I was getting a bit worried as this is business I cannot miss or be late for.
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 44):
EWR has really been getting severe weather this summer.

Is EWR more prone to weather delays than JFK? Can someone please help
 
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:00 am

folks, i travel a lot between Europe and the US, about 10-15 times a yaer. I flew CO 111/ 110 shortly after this leg was launched. Was June 2nd. ETD in CGN was around 10.30am, in fact it was 3.00pm. BUT !!! In spite of who all posted here before, the return flight from KEWR departed on time. AND !!! we were on time in Cologne. Anyway, it was a try, and i won ' t do this again, riding on a 757 transatlantic is not what i prefer. SORRY CO !!! Though my final destination in the US is either KDFW or KDAL, i am awaiting the rumored CO nonstop service into KIAH, with immediate transfer into KDAL. Anyone with facts when this Frankfurt to Bush Intercontinental Ap nonstop service will launch ???
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RE: What Is The Deal With CO110?

Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:38 am

It is rumored that an IAH-FRA flight will be added at some point coinciding with our 787 delivery schedule. Which aircraft type will operate the flight is anybody's guess, but I would suppose a 767 freed up from other duties (replaced by 787 capacity cascade effect) could be slotted in. Too bad I won't be around to fly them!

Other IAH routes which have been bandied about pending 787 deliveries are:

IAH-MAD
IAH-HKG
IAH-PEK
IAH-PVG (if we get EWR authority as well)

Those four are at or near the top of the list.