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LH A380 To GRU And EZE-possibility

Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:09 am

Dears,


Today, LH sent 2 engineers to GRU to check if the airport is compatible with the A380. Tomorrow, they will take a LH Cargo flight (LH8264) from VCP to EZE to check it's compatibility.



That's a very good news, because with a 747-400 and after 14th semptember with an aditional A340-300 (GRU-MUC) the flights keep overbooked....



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Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:16 am

The A380 will have, what, about 100 more seats the the 744? So that should help.
 
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:16 am

So the only confirmed thing is that they will start checking compatibility procedures... IMHO, this is far, far from confirming an A380 will ever serve the route... At the moment, this is nothing more than wishful thinking... The loads re currently high due the RG crisis, but no one knows how things will be like in 2-3 more years...

Marie

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Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:20 am

Marie,


The overbooked situation from LH is not new... It comes from 1-1.5 years ago... They should have add this additional flight years ago. Since two 47-400 flight daily is two much, a A380 flight would be perfect!


Cheers,
GHN
 
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:21 am

Hi 744lover, thanks for the news!

Infraero is under studies for the use of A380 at GRU (and also GIG as you demand an alternative). It will need some improvements in terms of runway, taxiways and also gates. Good to see that LH has plans to use the A380 to Brazil.

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Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:55 am

As far as I know, nothing is confirmed yet regarding the deployment of the A380 at Lufthansa and it looks they are just looking at compatibility, which is a process that has been ongoing. We've even had them here in Jakarta, and it is highly unlikely that LH would ever bring an A380 here. I'm putting my money on DEL and NRT as some of the first LH A380 destinations. That is of course if DEL is able to receive the plan.
 
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:03 am

Can GRU handle the A380?? I dread the wait for luggages and the crowded terminals. . .

Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 2):
The loads re currently high due the RG crisis, but no one knows how things will be like in 2-3 more years...

The three RG flights to Germany were consistently full, as were LH's. Even before they cancelled the A346 to SCL via GRU they had good loads. Now it's down to a SWISS MD-11 (or A343?) from ZRH that continues on to SCL (IMHO due to the small Chilean market and to make higher utilization of the A346 elsewhere.

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Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:43 am

I think everyone is getting a bit ahead of themselves. Until schedules are released, nothing is 'confirmed'. LH is simply looking at if the A380 could work in GRU and EZE. Just like any other aircraft, an airport will not 'get' the A380. As we have seen in recent times, every route is subject to changing market conditions, and is not guarenteed to have certain equipment indefinitely. This, IMO, has been the biggest drawback to the A380 from the beginning: limited flexability. Because only certain airports will be equiped to handle it, airlines are tied as to where they can fly it. Case in point: narrow bodies are now flying routes once dominated by 747s and other widebodies.

If LH had to, could they send an A380 to GRU/GIG or EZE, perhaps for the high season, or for a charter flight? We shall see.
 
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 6):
SWISS MD-11 (or A343?)

It's a LX A343. No more MD11 in LX's inventory.
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 6):
Can GRU handle the A380?? I dread the wait for luggages and the crowded terminals. . .

As per Infraero, NO. The airport need improvements and a major problem is the lack of double fingers, and the runway and taxiways are not good (need to enlarge). Alto the patio is little, and an A380 in some positions can just create a nightmare for the ground control. Also the size of the terminals, both running over its nominal capacity.
Same for GIG, except for the runway and the fact that it keeps double fingers on several positions at both T1 and T2.

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Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:06 am

This is a GREAT piece of news although I am a Boeing-guy to death... Regarding EZE's capabilities to handle the A380, the runways are long, wide and strong enough for this aircraft as well as the big majority of the taxiways (there are some which need to be widened a little bit)... The jetways are the problem, because all of the ones here are "single" ones, not double ones which is a requirement for the A380 if I am not mistaken.

I'll send an e-mail to EZE's airport manager and ask him about this...
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting Mason (Reply 7):
I think everyone is getting a bit ahead of themselves



Nothing is confirmed.......this thread should be deleted.
 
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:39 pm

Quoting 744lover (Thread starter):


Today, LH sent 2 engineers to GRU to check if the airport is compatible with the A380. Tomorrow, they will take a LH Cargo flight (LH8264) from VCP to EZE to check it's compatibility.

Yaw'll keep it on your pants for now though...Airbus is sending engineers all over the place for now, only.
Last month, i met this Airbus exec, here in the KDFW area, who told me he was going to meet with the FAA and other local authorities to discuss the possible inclusion of the A380 in the US.
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:28 pm

Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 12):
Yaw'll keep it on your pants for now though...Airbus is sending engineers all over the place for now, only.
Last month, i met this Airbus exec, here in the KDFW area, who told me he was going to meet with the FAA and other local authorities to discuss the possible inclusion of the A380 in the US.
Cross yers fingers tight!!!

First of all, great handle! Secondly, I think a lot of Boeing supporters are in denial that the A380 will be as succesful as the 747. It's only natural airlines would be sending people to all of the airports they fly to that would be natural for the A380. Anything could happen and they're preparing. Frankly, I think the A380 will be very successful.
 
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RE: LH A380 To GRU And EZE-possibility

Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:25 pm

Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 12):
Nothing is confirmed.......this thread should be deleted.

Wow, if we do so the whole forum wouldn't exist anymore in a few months!
TS mentioned LH 380 to GRU and EZE possibility

Right now, I know a lot more about possibilities of A380 to GRU and EZE and if this thread was deleted 'because nothing is confirmed' I wouldn't know that.
 
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:32 pm

Quoting Varig767 (Reply 14):
TS mentioned LH 380 to GRU and EZE possibility

Actually, if I recall correctly, this thread started out with a heading of "Confirmed - LH A380 to GRU and EZE", the title was changed later.

Nonetheless, I would not be surprised to see A380s heading towards GRU as soon as the airport is ready for them; in fact, I think most Star Alliance hubs (obviously the ones outside Europe) are rather good candidates - certainly the ones to which LH currently operates one or more B747 at the limit of their respective capacities.

Nonetheless, there are also some other obvious non-hub (or non-primary-hub) destinations like JFK or LAX that I'd expect to be quote high on the list.
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:53 pm

Quoting Leskova (Reply 15):
Actually, if I recall correctly, this thread started out with a heading of "Confirmed - LH A380 to GRU and EZE", the title was changed later

That is correct.

Quoting Varig767 (Reply 14):
Wow, if we do so the whole forum wouldn't exist
anymore in a few months!
TS mentioned LH 380 to GRU and EZE possibility

The thread title was changed......changing the title from COMFIRMED to POSSIBLY changes the entire meaning of the post and affects responses.

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Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting Leskova (Reply 15):
Nonetheless, I would not be surprised to see A380s heading towards GRU as soon as the airport is ready for them; in fact, I think most Star Alliance hubs (obviously the ones outside Europe) are rather good candidates - certainly the ones to which LH currently operates one or more B747 at the limit of their respective capacities.

Just a new info. LH has a meeting at GIG with Infraero next Thursday to optimize A380 operations (They are helping Brazilian Engineers on the studies for the use of the aircraft on the main Brazilian airports). I`ll keep everyone advised. Probably the same meeting took place at GRU also.

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Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:24 pm

Quoting Mason (Reply 7):
If LH had to, could they send an A380 to GRU/GIG or EZE, perhaps for the high season, or for a charter flight? We shall see.

744s daily and loads being optimum do suggest that LH shifting the A380 towards EZE and GRU is more than feasible. Maybe, with the introduction of the A380, LH could put EZE back in the non-stop flight and start serving SCL or being 'fed' by Air Canada's flight inbound from SCL - which arrives just short on the departure (current flight via GRU), but that could be changed.  Smile

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
It's a LX A343. No more MD11 in LX's inventory.

 Sad

As per infrastructure, EZE is capable of handling the A380. Taxiways and runways are adequate and handle the weight. The main problem would be the jetways and the gates. But that can be handled, temporarily by using 3 gates (space) or 2 depending on location.

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RE: LH A380 To GRU And EZE-possibility

Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
Nothing is confirmed.......this thread should be deleted.

Whit all respect Duchjet if every Thread would have to be confirmed first before we could discuss it in our a.net it would be quite boring.    

I would not say there is no way at this point and time as we have no statement from LH in regard of a "yes" or "no"................

Cheers,

[Edited 2006-07-23 16:46:45]
 
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:34 pm

I am surprised about all the hyping about GRU's being able to fill an A380 for LH. Sure, right now, with RG going through uncertain times, just about all seats on any airline between Europe and Brasil are taken. Yet, let's not forget that no more than a couple of months ago, LH canceled its second daily FRA-GRU flight and replaced the GRU-SCL tag by a codeshare deal on LX.

The rather impromptu addition of a daily MUC-GRU flight starting this september is simply driven by the unfortunate circumstances pertaining to RG. Once the dust has cleared, the situation could return to normal and why would LH be able to do then what it was not able to do earlier?

I believe that there are bigger priorities for the deployment of the A380 at Lufthansa than GRU. Again, those priorities most certainly include DEL and NRT.
 
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Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:55 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
The A380 will have, what, about 100 more seats the the 744? So that should help.

Hum... more than that I guess.

Taking into account that LH's 744's with the new business have 330 seats, and that the 380's must have around 500 seats, or even more, the diference should be of about 170 seats.

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Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:00 am

Who knows what LH is thinking about right now? What makes me happy is that they are researching every possible way to make money on the 380!
 
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RE: LH A380 To GRU And EZE-possibility

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting Swissy (Reply 19):
Whit all respect Duchjet if every Thread would have to be confirmed first before we could discuss it in our a.net it would be quite boring



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):

The thread title was changed......changing the title from COMFIRMED to POSSIBLY changes the entire meaning of the post and affects responses.

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Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
Yet, let's not forget that no more than a couple of months ago, LH canceled its second daily FRA-GRU flight and replaced the GRU-SCL tag by a codeshare deal on LX.

I don't see how a 35% or so increase in seats over the current offering will be too difficult to fill if they operated and A346 in addition of the 744 just a couple months ago. And I believe we are talking a few, mayeb a couple, years down the line, not "ASAP."

Unless, of course, competition increases significantly.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):

I believe that there are bigger priorities for the deployment of the A380 at Lufthansa than GRU. Again, those priorities most certainly include DEL and NRT.

Fully agree! GRU will also not be ready in time.

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Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 13):
First of all, great handle!

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Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
Just a new info. LH has a meeting at GIG with Infraero next Thursday to optimize A380 operations (They are helping Brazilian Engineers on the studies for the use of the aircraft on the main Brazilian airports). I`ll keep everyone advised. Probably the same meeting took place at GRU also.

Felipe: tks for the information.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
I am surprised about all the hyping about GRU's being able to fill an A380 for LH. Sure, right now, with RG going through uncertain times, just about all seats on any airline between Europe and Brasil are taken

I am NOT surprised a bit. LH's history in GRU shows that the route is one of the priorities for LH after all. So much so that GRU is kept as a dual hub for LH-LX flight, one of few airports in the world to sustain both operations. Btw, even before the demise of RG, GRU routes were doing quite well for LH and all other European carriers. Now, with RG's near capitulation, GRU routes are doing exceptionally well.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
Yet, let's not forget that no more than a couple of months ago, LH canceled its second daily FRA-GRU flight and replaced the GRU-SCL tag by a codeshare deal on LX.

At the same day LH stated that the service would be resumed no later than OCTOBER the same year, which was then announced as the MUC-GRU flight. From the begining LH stated that the axe of one of its flights was a TEMPORARY measure.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
The rather impromptu addition of a daily MUC-GRU flight starting this september is simply driven by the unfortunate circumstances pertaining to RG.

Incorrect. It was not "impromptu" and rather already expected. LH stated that it would resume its second daily flight FRA-GRU by October/06, the axe of the second daily flight was only temporary. LH then decided that instead of introducing a second FRA-GRU flight MUC-GRU would work better, which I agree. MUC-GRU was not in the plans before because RG was making inroads in this market.

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RE: LH A380 To GRU And EZE-possibility

Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 26):
LH's history in GRU shows that the route is one of the priorities for LH after all.

Given that GRU in particular and Brasil more generally is supposedly a Star hub, I find the interest that Lufthansa/Swiss have been paying to the Brasilian routes rather disappointing when compared to, say, the performance of Air France/KLM in the country. In fact, the AF/KL combination probably out performs LH/LX in Brasil by now. Overall, I believe that LH's interest - actually the lack thereof - in the South American market a disgrace for an airline which strives to be a global player.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 26):
So much so that GRU is kept as a dual hub for LH-LX flight, one of few airports in the world to sustain both operations.

Most of LX's longhaul destinations are also served by Lufthansa: BOS, JFK, MIA, ORD, LAX, GRU, JNB, CAI, DXB, MCT, RUH, JED, BOM, BKK, SIN, HKG, NRT. I can only think of DAR, NBO, SSG, DLA and NSI as LX-only stations.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 26):
At the same day LH stated that the service would be resumed no later than OCTOBER the same year, which was then announced as the MUC-GRU flight.

Nevertheless, an A346 replaced by an A343. Meanwhile, GIG is still uncovered. I don't think AF is particularly unhappy with Star's and Lufthansa's recent moves in the Brasilian market.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 26):
Incorrect. It was not "impromptu" and rather already expected. LH stated that it would resume its second daily flight FRA-GRU by October/06

It was impromptu insofar as the route was expected to be returned at the beginning of the winter timetable and that the demise of RG has provoked the speeding up of the return of a second daily flight. As a matter of fact, LH stated that the only thing that prevented the earlier return of the second daily route was the lack of widebody equipment.
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 27):
Given that GRU in particular and Brasil more generally is supposedly a Star hub, I find the interest that Lufthansa/Swiss have been paying to the Brasilian routes rather disappointing when compared to, say, the performance of Air France/KLM in the country.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 27):
In fact, the AF/KL combination probably out performs LH/LX in Brasil by now.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 27):
, I believe that LH's interest - actually the lack thereof - in the South American market a disgrace for an airline which strives to be a global player.

Completely agree with each of your statements above.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 27):
It was impromptu insofar as the route was expected to be returned at the beginning of the winter timetable and that the demise of RG has provoked the speeding up of the return of a second daily flight. As a matter of fact, LH stated that the only thing that prevented the earlier return of the second daily route was the lack of widebody equipment.

Correct.

Rgs,