ContinentalGuy
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Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:36 am

Why is it that United is the only american carrier that flies to Australia? It seems reasonable that CO or AA would try for it.
 
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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:02 am

Doesn't Continental still fly to Cairns?
 
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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:08 am

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Thread starter):
AA would try for it.

Did didn't work
Ditto for NW.
The mainland CO served it for in the 80's before pulling the plug on all South Pacific service.
America West was going to try it, but went bankrupt.
 
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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Thread starter):
AA would try for it.

AA have a codeshare agreement with QF which is working fine for them

[Edited 2006-07-23 01:14:05]
 
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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:41 am

It's a difficulty route because:
1) It's long & thin, which means high costs.
2) You ideally need a big hub on the west coast, or at least a big focus city.
3) You need feed on the Oz end. There is nobody except for QF & LCC DJ.
4) Compertation is veryhigh from two first class carriers who have no where else to go, ie QF & NZ.
5) Because of this Return on Investment is low and there are better optunities else where, eg North Asia.

Funny enough the best placed US carrier to serve Oz/NZ is AA, who discovered many years ago that a code share arrangement with QF was far more profitable than running their own metal down here.

Dont expect too much change unless something big happens, eg sub-ortibal flight, UA going Chapter 7 or Star Trek transporters being deployed.

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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Thread starter):
Why is it that United is the only american carrier that flies to Australia? It seems reasonable that CO or AA would try for it.

As I recall, Hawaiian Airlines is an American carrier, and they fly to Sydney.

And Continental flies to Cairns and Australia is more than Sydney.  Smile

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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
And Continental flies to Cairns



Quoting COrocks (Reply 1):
Doesn't Continental still fly to Cairns?

Exactly how many USA mainland based passengers fly to Cairns on Continental by the way of Guam?

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
Hawaiian Airlines is an American carrier, and they fly to Sydney.

Missed that one, that how invisible that service is. Can only use the service if one lives on the west coast, otherwise its a day or more layover.

Now if we add the cargo carriers of Fedex, UPS, Atlas etc.

[Edited 2006-07-23 03:16:31]
 
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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Exactly how many USA mainland based passengers fly to Cairns on Continental by the way of Guam?

I've no idea, that wasn't part of the question. I know a fair number of Australians who have taken the flight. I have flown to Los Angeles via Guam.

But it another American airline that flies to Australia. If you mean "another American airline that flies to Sydney" - see below.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Missed that one, that how invisible that service is. Can only use the service if one lives on the west coast, otherwise its a day or more layover.

I am told it is doing quite well, so I guess it isn't that invisible, but it remains an American airline that flies to Australia. To Sydney. Which seemed to be the question asked.

Most of the reasons why there are not more US airlines flying to Australia are covered by Gemuser in reply #4.

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[Edited 2006-07-23 03:41:21]
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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Missed that one, that how invisible that service is. Can only use the service if one lives on the west coast, otherwise its a day or more layover.

I think they are one to watch. As they emerge from their recent troubles and aquire more aircraft and mainland destnations their oppunities for development of a South Pacific route structure will increase and they could offer an attractive service from any US point that does not have non stop to Oz, but does have non stop to HNL.

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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
Australia is more than Sydney. Smile

Naaaaa...really?! Thats kinda of like saying "The US is more than NY or LA", though many in those two cities would probably beg to differ.

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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:46 pm

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 9):
Thats kinda of like saying "The US is more than NY or LA",

It is exactly like saying that. That's why i said it.

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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:49 pm

How many USA mainland based pax fly to Australia via CO/GUM?
Next to no-one. Most pax on GUM-CNS are Asian originating and transiting GUM... I don't even think CO makes any special fares available for Mainland-GUM-CNS.
 
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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:16 pm

well, going to Australia, you could take QF (AA codeshare), CO, Hawaiian, United.

With ways to get there via Qantas, Air New Zealand and Air Tahiti Nui, is there a need for the American carriers to jump on these routes, which are not yet saturated to begin with?
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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:34 pm

Until of course AC starts LAX SYD next year....

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RE: Usa To Australia

Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:40 pm

I wish united would put someextra ones on that flight is always busy and I am trying to get there tomorrow lol....given up trying to get out of heathrow and am id90'ing on BA and QF via japan! Whoever says id 90's are cheap....err no way its costing me £478! one way!! lol...ah well it means a round the world trip as I am coming back via nz and LA!