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Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:31 am

I understand from friends in South Africa that Air New Zealand is in the final stages of completing plans to fly from Auckland to Johannesburg.

If this is correct it would explain a number of different fleet and route developments.

I presume that the current daily Auckland-Perth 767 would be extended to Johannesburg three times weekly using the spare 747-400 which will be coming off the AKL-LAX-LHR run in January. (That service reduces to a 777 in October, but becomes a 747 again for the Christmas holiday season).

We have seen that Air NZ has done well with its "traditional markets" (the LHR, LAX and SFO services) but has suffered badly in Asia. South Africa more closely resembles a traditional market, but only 4 engine aircraft can fly the route, meaning that 777 services aren't going to happen.

Japan, Taipei, Bangkok, Bali and now even Singapore have failed as Air NZ routes. It looks as if the airline is now consolidating its focus on the UK, USA, Australia and South Africa (although I noted that Mr Fyfe also mentioned Japan and Hong Kong, which is touching but naive).
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting Koruman (Thread starter):
although I noted that Mr Fyfe also mentioned Japan and Hong Kong, which is touching but naive

Air NZ has already stated that they will be flying AKL - Hong Kong - LHR early in October.
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:44 am

this is news to us kiwi's lol's seems odd tho for two 'star alliance ' airlines to run head to head on this route , tho be able to get more info when i return to NZ next week. rummer was it that 1 ,744 was to be parked up at akl, and that India was getting a look at too.
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:50 am

I also heard that it wasn't being considered at this stage due to SAA recent entry into the Star Alliance. Would be awesome if NZ did do it tho.
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:28 am

That would be awesome if they would although South African has the proper planes for the route with the A340s. It would be interesting to see it as South African is now in Star Alliance. How big of a market is this? I would guess that there is some tourism, but I'm not that familiar with that part of the world.

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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:01 pm

So is NZ trying to take a slice of the PER-AKL market or are there really that many Seth Effrikkans over in NZ? (NZ can't really feed from other Australian ports ...)
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 5):
So is NZ trying to take a slice of the PER-AKL market or are there really that many Seth Effrikkans over in NZ? (NZ can't really feed from other Australian ports ...)

There are a lot of Safas living in NZ... Most of them live on the North Shore in Auckland, but there are a lot that have bought farms around the country and are doing that.
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:46 pm

What would be the schedules like days of flyling e.t.c?

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 6):
Most of them live on the North Shore in Auckland

I can tell you that a hell of a lot of them live out in East Auckland in Howick and Bucklands Beach

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 5):
So is NZ trying to take a slice of the PER-AKL

To me, AKL-MEN-JNB would seem like a better route than AKL-PER-JNB as there is already another Star Alliance member flying this route. I thought NZ would have learnt it's lesson from the whole SQ and SIN incident. Even a AKL-SYD-JNB route would be better, but one route is better than none as they say.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:12 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
To me, AKL-MEN-JNB would seem like a better route than AKL-PER-JNB as there is already another Star Alliance member flying this route. I thought NZ would have learnt it's lesson from the whole SQ and SIN incident. Even a AKL-SYD-JNB route would be better, but one route is better than none as they say.

hmmm NZ5 LAX-AKL-MEL-JNB ? I wonder if that would claim the title for the worlds longest flight?!  Wink
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting Koruman (Thread starter):
presume that the current daily Auckland-Perth 767 would be extended to Johannesburg three times weekly using the spare 747-400 which will be coming off the AKL-LAX-LHR run in January.

Hi Koruman. An interesting idea, but this would stuff up rerturn PER-AKL schedules, with flights operating PER-AKL twice on three days each week, with no flights on other days. Do you really think NZ would do this? Also I note the SUBSTANTIAL difference in SAA timings PER-JNB and return in Star Alliance timetable which I've based my PER - JNB & vv estimates on...

AKL-PER (est DUR: 7.15 w B744; 7.35 w B763)
PER-JNB (est DUR: 11.15 w B744)

JNB-PER (est DUR: 9.20 w B744)
PER-AKL (est DUR: 6.05 w B744; 6.25 w B763)

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AKL-PER 1225 -1440 Mo We Fr B744
PER-JNB 1610 - 2230

JNB-PER 0140 - 1700+ Tu Th Sa B744
PER-AKL 1825+ - 0530+

AKL-PER 1425 - 1700 Tu Th Sa Su B763

PER - AKL 1825 - 0550+ Tu Th Sa Su B763
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:46 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
Even a AKL-SYD-JNB route would be better, but one route is better than none as they say.

QF is already flyinh this route with a daily service but competition would be good for QF. MEL-JNB would be better for NZ.

I don't know if Air Mauritius still flies to Australia??
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:15 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 10):

QF is already flyinh this route with a daily service but competition would be good for QF

QF fly 5x weekly to JNB.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 10):
I don't know if Air Mauritius still flies to Australia??

They still fly to PER, not sure about SYD or MEL.

Anyway if this is true about NZ it would be great, maybe NZ would fly 3x weekly AKL-PER-JNB with a 744 and 4x weekly AKL-PER-BOM with a 777?

I thought NZ were going to change their PER schedules to connect to SAA flights to JNB and also from US NZ flights.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):

hmmm NZ5 LAX-AKL-MEL-JNB ? I wonder if that would claim the title for the worlds longest flight?! Wink

NZ already have that with NZ1/2, hehe.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:20 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 11):
maybe NZ would fly 3x weekly AKL-PER-JNB with a 744 and 4x weekly AKL-PER-BOM with a 777?

YES - good point. If they make it DAILY one-stop via Perth, then the schedule is less likely to be messed up. This is not such a critical issue with MEL, SYD or BNE because they all have a higher NZ frequency of service. And as has been said in other postings in this forum, India is likely, in the not too distant future.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:47 pm

Hello All

I know that NZ1 said that South Africa was not a market that ANZ was looking into immediaetly but into the future maybe. So i dont know if that will happen now even tho it would be awesome,There have been rumours of NZ flying the JNB route for a couple of years now ,but the flight would be routed via MEL.


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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:48 pm

Quoting Koruman (Thread starter):
Japan, Taipei, Bangkok, Bali and now even Singapore have failed as Air NZ routes

On top of Seoul.....

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 10):
I don't know if Air Mauritius still flies to Australia??

They definately do fly to Australia. MEL, SYD and PER.

Quoting SA744 (Reply 13):
would be routed via MEL.

Exactly. Why would NZ want to try and sabotage a fellow partners route after they just experienced getting sabotaged first handed by SQ? A much bigger market lies in MEL than in PER.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:37 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 11):
QF fly 5x weekly to JNB.

thanks for that ZK-NBT i didn't know that.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 14):
A much bigger market lies in MEL than in PER.

I agree but one thing PER does have is the largest African and south african population than any other Australain city
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 15):
I agree but one thing PER does have is the largest African and south african population than any other Australain city

I agree, but NZ may attract higher yields on an AKL-MEL-JNB service...



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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:07 am

How big is the expat community of Saffas in NZ anyway? Not " a lot", lets see some numbers.
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 17):
Not " a lot", lets see some numbers.

Using Google as a starting point, the 2001 census puts the figure at 26,000:

http://www.emigratenz.org/migrants.html

The low average for annual immigration is (roughly) 2500, but it has been higher (4000 plus) in other years.

Using 2500 as the average figure, the present SA population would be at about 37,000 - but may be up to 40,000.

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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 17):
How big is the expat community of Saffas

Saffas is or used to be a funeral parlour. South Africans will suffice, thanks....  wink 


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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 18):
The low average for annual immigration is (roughly) 2500, but it has been higher (4000 plus) in other years.

Using 2500 as the average figure, the present SA population would be at about 37,000 - but may be up to 40,000.

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and of course many of them have been having lots of kids over here although technically I guess the kids wouldn't be Safa's...  Wink

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Saffas is or used to be a funeral parlour. South Africans will suffice, thanks....

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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:21 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 10):
I don't know if Air Mauritius still flies to Australia??

yep. 1 x B762 to PER, and
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):
hmmm NZ5 LAX-AKL-MEL-JNB ? I wonder if that would claim the title for the worlds longest flight?!

It could very well do but if this NZ and QF plan goes ahead for the Tasman NZ5 would stop in AKL.  Smile
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting NZ560 (Reply 22):
It could very well do but if this NZ and QF plan goes ahead for the Tasman NZ5 would stop in AKL

hmmm....

although NZ could always change the flight number ex-AKL, so that they do not effect the terms of the agreement...

so LAX-AKL remains NZ 5, then AKL-MEL-JNB becomes NZx55??

flight time MEL-JNB is also about 50 mins less than SYD-JNB.


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AKL 08.00 << CONNEX FROM USA
MEL 10.00
MEL 11.20
JNB 16.30

JNB 18.00
MEL 13.00+1
MEL 14.10
AKL 19.30 << NZ002 CONNEX
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:42 pm

SAA only flies to Perth from JNB? So if you are going on to SYD, then you would not have a Star Alliance airline? Right now to do JNB-SYD on Star Alliance you have to do SQ. It would be great to have NZ do a route through Australia east coast somewhere.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 24):
SAA only flies to Perth from JNB? So if you are going on to SYD, then you would not have a Star Alliance airline?

Thats right but QF and SAA do have a codeshare arrangement in place on the JNB flights from both SYD and PER.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 23):

SAMPLE FLIGHT TIMES?

AKL 08.00 << CONNEX FROM USA
MEL 10.00
MEL 11.20
JNB 16.30

JNB 18.00
MEL 13.00+1
MEL 14.10
AKL 19.30 << NZ002 CONNEX

I'd imagine they would have a schedule similar to that, I was thinking of something similar for a flight via PER, which would atleast offer connections to/from LAX and maybe SFO.

AKL 0745
PER 0945
PER 1115
JNB 1600

JNB 1745
PER 0745
PER 0915
AKL 2000
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:59 pm

It is a market that is always being watched, but not feasible at this time. It is not happening for the time being. There are no aircraft currently suitable or capable. The 772LR also not being an option for us now.
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:35 pm

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 16):
I agree, but NZ may attract higher yields on an AKL-MEL-JNB service...

Yeah I reckon NZ could be very competitive on MEL-JNB route with QF doing SYD-JNB
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:50 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 25):

AKL 0745
PER 0945
PER 1115
JNB 1600

JNB 1745
PER 0745
PER 0915
AKL 2000

The downside of this schedule is it makes connections within New Zealand pretty much impossible. Of course if the local market is purely Aucklanders then that's fine.
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:50 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 27):
Yeah I reckon NZ could be very competitive on MEL-JNB route with QF doing SYD-JNB

Yep, always been my theory!
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:27 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 27):
Yeah I reckon NZ could be very competitive on MEL-JNB route with QF doing SYD-JNB



Quoting Motorhussy (Reply 29):
Yep, always been my theory!

With average discounted Y-class fares in the region of AUD2000.00 on both QF and SA (JNB-SYD-JNB), these two airlines have a very cozy codeshare. At 2000.00+, yields can not be bad.


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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:16 pm

Quoting Axio (Reply 28):

The downside of this schedule is it makes connections within New Zealand pretty much impossible. Of course if the local market is purely Aucklanders then that's fine.

Yep it does but it would offer connections from the US to PER which I have heard NZ are looking at, and have been for a while.

PVG won't offer connections on the inbound leg either when it arrives at 0140 LT which is crazy.

Anyway as Aerorobnz said it seems NZ won't be flying to JNB in the short term, however a twin can't currently operate the flight so it would have to be a 744.
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:30 pm

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 30):
With average discounted Y-class fares in the region of AUD2000.00 on both QF and SA (JNB-SYD-JNB), these two airlines have a very cozy codeshare. At 2000.00+, yields can not be bad.


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Thats is bloody expensive. I was doing a search on the QF website for flights to JNB from SYD in October and the cheapest fare i saw was in excess of $3000.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 32):
Thats is bloody expensive. I was doing a search on the QF website for flights to JNB from SYD in October and the cheapest fare i saw was in excess of $3000.

Hence my theory that both QF and SA have high yields on their South Africa - Australia flights. There was once speculation on the forum that fares for direct flights between these two countries, were amongst the highest in the world.


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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 33):
There was once speculation on the forum that fares for direct flights between these two countries, were amongst the highest in the world.

I have to agree with you there it would be a much cheaper to fly SQ or MH to get to JNB.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 26):
There are no aircraft currently suitable or capable

Not sure what you mean by this statement. For a twin with ETOPS180, PER-JNB only requires that you fly about 200nm off great circle ; with ETOPS 207 it is less than 100nm. Assuming -50k winds westbound, the still air distance is about 5100nm; not really that significant for a 767-300ER or 777-200ER. NZ is routinely flying this sort of diversion LAX-PPT to meet the ETOPS 180 standard.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 35):
Not sure what you mean by this statement. For a twin with ETOPS180, PER-JNB only requires that you fly about 200nm off great circle ; with ETOPS 207 it is less than 100nm. Assuming -50k winds westbound, the still air distance is about 5100nm; not really that significant for a 767-300ER or 777-200ER. NZ is routinely flying this sort of diversion LAX-PPT to meet the ETOPS 180 standard.

It should be made clear that NZ does not want to fly to JNB via anywhere, it wants to fly direct. Currently only the 772LR could operate the route sustainably for us, and at this point the LR is not part of the fleet equation, especially for only the one route. The 744 is possible, but with too much payload for the route and high operation costs, it is not viable, or certainly not as viable as other routes that will get the 744.

Quoting Axio (Reply 28):
The downside of this schedule is it makes connections within New Zealand pretty much impossible.

You got in one.
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:11 pm

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 36):

It should be made clear that NZ does not want to fly to JNB via anywhere, it wants to fly direct. Currently only the 772LR could operate the route sustainably for us, and at this point the LR is not part of the fleet equation, especially for only the one route. The 744 is possible, but with too much payload for the route and high operation costs, it is not viable, or certainly not as viable as other routes that will get the 744.

Whilst I agree with you on most things Aerorobnz, and agree that this would be ideal, I just don't see NZ doing a direct service at all. Between New Zealand and South Africa is this big ocean and Big Iceblock Continent in the middle. NZ has a bit of bad history with this Continent and even though it may be a feasible route (albeit with no diversion airports at all besides the Ice runway at McMurdo which couldn't handle a 744 anyways), it is something that NZ just doesn't want to do for the benefit of its staff (many of which were around back then) and for the general New Zealand public (most of whom were less than 2 or 3 degrees separation from someone in the tragedy TE901). NZ recently had a charter flight from CHC to JNB a few months ago in a 744... they flew CHC-MEL-JNB when they could have gone CHC-JNB direct but NZ won't).
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:29 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 37):
they flew CHC-MEL-JNB when they could have gone CHC-JNB direct but NZ won't).

It was CHC-PER-JNB.

Hmm so with NZ not considering the 772LR at this stage then there is no JNB in the near future. Maybe someday.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 38):

It was CHC-PER-JNB.

Hmm so with NZ not considering the 772LR at this stage then there is no JNB in the near future. Maybe someday.

Yeah hopefully one day... it was 27 years ago that the disaster happened... maybe in another 10 years if Y3 is a 2.5-4 engined aircraft and not just a 2 holer. Theres no way in hell a 2 holer would be allowed to fly it due ETOPS
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting SA744 (Reply 13):
I know that NZ1 said that South Africa was not a market that ANZ was looking into immediaetly but into the future maybe. So i dont know if that will happen now even tho it would be awesome,There have been rumours of NZ flying the JNB route for a couple of years now ,but the flight would be routed via MEL.

At the time, what I stated was correct, however, a lot has changed since then.

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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 40):
At the time, what I stated was correct, however, a lot has changed since then

 Big grin Very exciting indeed NZ1. Are you saying that South Africa stands a much bigger chance than most of us would have thought because of previous threads? Do you know when we can expect to see such a route?
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 37):
I just don't see NZ doing a direct service at all.

I don't either, but that preference was stated in an inhouse publication a while back.
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:58 pm

[quote=NZ1,reply=40]At the time, what I stated was correct, however, a lot has changed since then[/quote

That is very exciting indeed. I wait in anticipation for whatever happens, it does sound very positive. Especially for us South Africans who have family in NZ. MEL would be more direct than SYD and PER. Assuming they do fly via MEL
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting SA744 (Reply 43):
NZ. MEL would be more direct than SYD and PER. Assuming they do fly via MEL

what do you mean. How much direct do want to be??
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:04 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 44):
what do you mean. How much direct do want to be??

Sorry my bad wording, would be for people who travel from MEL to JNB dont have to go via SYD or PER
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:31 pm

Quoting SA744 (Reply 45):
would be for people who travel from MEL to JNB dont have to go via SYD or PER

Ah now i get it. I agree with you on this and it would provide QF with some decent competition to Africa
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:08 pm

Is there any indication of when they will start flying to JNB(if info is allowed to be realeased). Only because i am planning a holiday to NZ and would love to fly ANZ.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting SA744 (Reply 47):
Is there any indication of when they will start flying to JNB(if info is allowed to be realeased). Only because i am planning a holiday to NZ and would love to fly ANZ.

not for while i think. Why don't you try SQ or EK
 
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RE: Air NZ To Fly To South Africa

Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting SA744 (Reply 47):
Is there any indication of when they will start flying to JNB(if info is allowed to be realeased). Only because i am planning a holiday to NZ and would love to fly ANZ.

Well the 2-3 spare 744's are free from mid October on. So whatever new route is in the planning will probably start up in November, or since the aircraft will be used over DEC/JAN for NZ1/2 again perhaps Feb next year.
Leading prospects currently are AKL-MEL/PER-JNB, AKL-PER-BOM, AKL-GRU/EZE-FRA.
I would put my  twocents  in that AKL-***-JNB or AKL-PER-BOM would be the front runners as much as I would love to see NZ back in FRA and of course South America.  Smile
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