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MH And Skyteam Latest...

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:46 pm

What's the latest on Malaysia joining an alliance? I know Skyteam and MH started talks but I have not heard anything since. You think MH would join that ASAP given the fact that you have TG, and SQ to the north and south in Star Alliance. Additionally, you have Changi and Don Muong as major hubs where as KUL isn't as busy.

not that I don't like KLIA airport, its beautiful, but I know when they built it their aim was to take away market share from places like SIN.

Anybody know anything???
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:48 pm

I know that they are planning on code sharing and closer cooperation with AZ and KL and this has been announced only in the past week or so...
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:19 pm

The changes to its frequent flyer program Enrich as well as the reinforced frequecies on the KUL-FCO route and the ensuing closer cooperation with AZ on that route all seem to point to the fact that MH is enroute to Skyteam membership.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:38 pm

I hope it comes soon! They are mileage partners with DL, but...if you look closely at the restrictions, you get no miles for intra-malaysia flights, and...

no miles in economy class according to the DL website, you have to go J or F  checkmark .

[Edited 2006-07-24 11:47:37]
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:44 pm

This might not be current. A few years ago, my F travel could be credited to DL...and Y travel had to be credited to NW !!!
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:38 pm

Good day All,

I am also asking the same questions. Not too much information about this subject. Perhaps exhibiting not too much progress MH has made with Skyteam, (apart from the recently revamped Enrich Frequent Flyer Program to resemble Fkying Blue and the additional service to FCO from KUL by MH).
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:34 pm

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 5):
I am also asking the same questions. Not too much information about this subject. Perhaps exhibiting not too much progress MH has made with Skyteam, (apart from the recently revamped Enrich Frequent Flyer Program to resemble Fkying Blue and the additional service to FCO from KUL by MH).

Don't be too sure about that. Aeroflot had the same thing. Everyone was always clueless about Aeroflot's position in Skyteam, and then one fine day the executives were in Moscow, and the joining ceremony happened...MH will get there in the near future....

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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 6):
Don't be too sure about that. Aeroflot had the same thing. Everyone was always clueless about Aeroflot's position in Skyteam, and then one fine day the executives were in Moscow, and the joining ceremony happened...MH will get there in the near future....

That is indeed a very good news for MH if it is happen in the nearest future. So there is no really an appoinment as associate airline, then have to wait for certain period (several months to years) and going through various assessments before being appointed as a full member.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 6):
Don't be too sure about that. Aeroflot had the same thing. Everyone was always clueless about Aeroflot's position in Skyteam, and then one fine day the executives were in Moscow, and the joining ceremony happened...MH will get there in the near future....

MH won't be joining in the near future. The most I can say is they're attractive to SkyTeam. China Southern will be next, and after that, who knows?  Wink

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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 8):
China Southern will be next

I can sense that too, based on the information on Skyteam's website. Nothing being mentioned abot MH in Skyteam's website. But as what Aeroflot777 informed, Aeroflot was appointed as a Skyteam member in a sudden. If it can happened to Aeroflot, it may happen to MH as well.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 9):
I can sense that too, based on the information on Skyteam's website. Nothing being mentioned abot MH in Skyteam's website. But as what Aeroflot777 informed, Aeroflot was appointed as a Skyteam member in a sudden. If it can happened to Aeroflot, it may happen to MH as well.

Na...Aeroflot has been due for a while, and spring this year was always the target. CZ later this year / early 2007. Then...we'll see. I don't see another official member for at least another year. There may be an annoucement of an invitation before then, but the process can take almost 2 years to complete.
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:05 am

There's invitation and then there's actual membership. Rumors aside, invitations are always sudden, because they like to make a media splash. Then there's the long process of safety and service audits and harmonizations. SU took practically two years to join, CZ is taking so long that they had to convince everyone in a separate press conference that it was still going to happen. Not to mention many invited associates but not a single associate member. So there are plenty of reasons for MH and SkyTeam to be looking at each other, but don't expect them to become a member overnight.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 11):
There's invitation and then there's actual membership. Rumors aside, invitations are always sudden, because they like to make a media splash. Then there's the long process of safety and service audits and harmonizations. SU took practically two years to join, CZ is taking so long that they had to convince everyone in a separate press conference that it was still going to happen. Not to mention many invited associates but not a single associate member. So there are plenty of reasons for MH and SkyTeam to be looking at each other, but don't expect them to become a member overnight.

Exactly correct. That's a perfect summation of the process.
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:46 am

I don't think MH has signed a MOU with SkyTeam yet. I think we had at least a MOU before SU became an official member. CZ just signed theirs a couple of months ago. Hopefully MH will do this sooner than later. They would be a great addition to the alliance.
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:54 am

In my opinion MH is about 5 years behind on getting into an alliance. Either oneworld or skyteam to compete with Star (especially with SQ and TG in their neighborhood).

I think it is absolutely invaluable for an airline to be in an alliance. All I know is, I like to go on airline I get miles on, and for example, since US joined Star, I fly them more because I get miles on SQ. If they were not in Star, i would not fly them...
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:26 am

Someone wrote in another post that AF is reluctant on MH joining ST was because of AF-QF codeshare service to Aust via SIN. Apparently AF is very happy on the agreement with QF and letting MH into ST and concentrate on South Pacific will directly compete against the AF-QF codeshare flights.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting CHANGYOU (Reply 15):
Someone wrote in another post that AF is reluctant on MH joining ST was because of AF-QF codeshare service to Aust via SIN. Apparently AF is very happy on the agreement with QF and letting MH into ST and concentrate on South Pacific will directly compete against the AF-QF codeshare flights.

I cannot possibly imagine that Air France would be willing to block a major strategic decision such as the entrance of a major carrier like MH into Skyteam because it is unhappy about just one aspect of that deal. The AF-QF deal on CDG-SIN-Australia cooperation affects all in all 60 or 70 tickets a day. You don't let MH, and thereby the last chance for ST to attract a much needed partner in South East Asia, slip away over a futile detail like that.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 14):
In my opinion MH is about 5 years behind on getting into an alliance

MH faced several internal problems during the last 5 years, which results in its delay in joining any alliances. SQ and TG have surely benefitted a lot from MH's internal problems. It was after the new CEO Idris Jala took helm MH is seen seriously wanting to get into an alliance.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:21 pm

I guess one issue with MH joining any alliance would be its route network which seems to be less developed than its Southeast Asian peer airlines.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:23 pm

Less developed in what aspect GneissGuy?
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:40 pm

Quoting MAS747 (Reply 19):
Less developed in what aspect GneissGuy?

I think in terms of connectivity they are ok with many important destinations in their network.

However, many of their international flights do not depart daily, thus frequency becomes an issue for successful interlining to take place.

e.g. KUL - AKL is 5x a week, KUL-FRA 5x, KUL-LAX 3x, KUL-EWR 3x, KUL-PAR 5x, KUL-ROM 3x, KUL-ZRH 3x.......etc
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting GneissGuy (Reply 20):
I think in terms of connectivity they are ok with many important destinations in their network.

However, many of their international flights do not depart daily, thus frequency becomes an issue for successful interlining to take place.

e.g. KUL - AKL is 5x a week, KUL-FRA 5x, KUL-LAX 3x, KUL-EWR 3x, KUL-PAR 5x, KUL-ROM 3x, KUL-ZRH 3x.......etc

I agree.

The first 5 there, AKL, FRA, LAX, EWR and CDG should all be able to sustain daily flights with 772's or 744's.

AKL, daily 744's in Southern summer, used to be daily in winter until this year with a mix of 744's and 772's, they should be able to sustain daily year round flights, SQ have more than 1 flight to AKL.

FRA should certainly be able to sustain a daily flight, SQ have 2 daily 744's and MH can't sustain 1 772.

LAX is currently 5x weekly 744's via TPE, maybe they should change to a daily 772?

EWR well NYC is one of the largest cities in the world, I think MH should look at going via ZRH or something here and increasing flights, are they allowed? Then they could also increase flights to ZRH aswell.

CDG, the French Goverment are blocking MH from operating daily flights, they currently operate 772's, but a daily flight would probably increase yeilds and obvioulsy offer more convienient connections.

FCO is increasing to 5 weekly, not sure what aircraft.

Basically I compare MH to SQ because their respective hubs are so close to each other yet SQ are one of the best and MH well they could be one of the best, I think alot of their problems are due poor management and flying some routes for Prestiege rather than demand.

Maybe they need to reinstall F into some 772's aswell for some longer thinner routes with high yeilds.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting CHANGYOU (Reply 15):
Someone wrote in another post that AF is reluctant on MH joining ST was because of AF-QF codeshare service to Aust via SIN. Apparently AF is very happy on the agreement with QF and letting MH into ST and concentrate on South Pacific will directly compete against the AF-QF codeshare flights.

The other reason presented was that AF is basically waiting for TG to leave the STAR and "defect" for SkyTeam - with MH joining SkyTeam this less likely to happen. I mean how long are they going to wait before - if ever - TG makes up its mind and will they rather keep their coverage of the SE Asian/Australia-Pacific region subpar in comparison with OW or Star?
It's hard to separate rumors from credible info. Other stories I've heard and read on different aviation forums was that SU was basically admitted to SkyTeam purely on political grounds, compliance with safety/quality standards was not really releveant and apparently again AF was the force pushing for SU.
I just have hard time believing the AF runs the SkyTeam and the remaining 7 airlines just sit there and let this happen against their will.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:38 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 22):
The other reason presented was that AF is basically waiting for TG to leave the STAR and "defect" for SkyTeam - with MH joining SkyTeam this less likely to happen

Where did you hear this rumor? I'd be shocked if TG left star, they were one of the founding members! TG I don't think could afford to leave Star in particular with the new airport opening up in BKK. Pure rumor I think...I'd bet money on it that TG isn't going anywhere.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 22):
I mean how long are they going to wait before - if ever - TG makes up its mind and will they rather keep their coverage of the SE Asian/Australia-Pacific region subpar in comparison with OW or Star?

i guess you mean MH being subpar???
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:06 pm

Quoting GneissGuy (Reply 20):
However, many of their international flights do not depart daily, thus frequency becomes an issue for successful interlining to take place.



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 21):
The first 5 there, AKL, FRA, LAX, EWR and CDG should all be able to sustain daily flights with 772's or 744's.

AKL, daily 744's in Southern summer, used to be daily in winter until this year with a mix of 744's and 772's, they should be able to sustain daily year round flights, SQ have more than 1 flight to AKL.

FRA should certainly be able to sustain a daily flight, SQ have 2 daily 744's and MH can't sustain 1 772.

LAX is currently 5x weekly 744's via TPE, maybe they should change to a daily 772?

EWR well NYC is one of the largest cities in the world, I think MH should look at going via ZRH or something here and increasing flights, are they allowed? Then they could also increase flights to ZRH aswell.

CDG, the French Goverment are blocking MH from operating daily flights, they currently operate 772's, but a daily flight would probably increase yeilds and obvioulsy offer more convienient connections.

FCO is increasing to 5 weekly, not sure what aircraft.

I agree that MH has issues with the frequencies of its longhaul flights, yet they are supposedly working on that.

As for Europe, it is MH's stated objective to focus on the Skyteam hubs AMS, CDG and FCO, apart from the obvious LHR. MAN and VIE were recently closed and FRA was reduced from daily to 5 weekly. I don't think that FRA and ZRH have a lot of future as part of MH's network.

MH is striving for daily frequencies into CDG - currently blocked by the French government but undoubtedly becoming available if and when MH enter Skyteam - and FCO, where they are about to up the frequency to 5 weekly. There is talk about additional frequencies into AMS.

The North American component of the MH network is problematic indeed. LAX should be able to sustain daily frequencies, and, as for EWR, something needs to be done there as the flight is ill-timed ex KUL. Maybe MH is thinking about rerouting this flight through AMS.

Apart from Europe and North America, the less than daily service of many destinations in the longhaul network is far from optimal when it comes to creating high yielding traffic, but I don't see how other Skyteam members could have issues with that.

So, while MH does have issued to deal with pertaining to scheduling, I believe that their most recent moves in that domain are meant to accomodate rather than irritate the airlines belonging to Skyteam. As such, I see this as an indicator that Skyteam membership is on the horizon.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:29 pm

Thanks for that HB-IWC.

It would be sad indeed if MH were to drop FRA and ZRH but thats life in the aviation world.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 24):
Maybe MH is thinking about rerouting this flight through AMS.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 24):
There is talk about additional frequencies into AMS.

Yes I remeber reading that in another post recently, AMS seems to be MH's main European hub after LHR so a KUL-AMS-EWR flight could be good, though if they join Skytem then its competing againest KL.

I'm guessing AKL will return to daily 744's over the NZ summer?! Though i'm not sure what yeilds are like but they certainly pack those 744's. Maybe they should offer a higher frequency 772? Except they could do with another 5-6 of these so it's probably unlikely in the near future.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:45 pm

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 23):
Where did you hear this rumor?

I think it was actually a.net...!?

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 23):
i guess you mean MH being subpar???

What I was trying to say was that currently SkyTeam is super strong in its coverage of the Europe-North America routes but almost absent from South America and especially Australia/Pacific and to a large extend SE Asia. Star and OW have much more "balanced" membership as far as geographical coverage IMHO.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:55 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 10):
Na...Aeroflot has been due for a while, and spring this year was always the target. CZ later this year / early 2007. Then...we'll see. I don't see another official member for at least another year. There may be an annoucement of an invitation before then, but the process can take almost 2 years to complete.



Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 11):
There's invitation and then there's actual membership. Rumors aside, invitations are always sudden, because they like to make a media splash. Then there's the long process of safety and service audits and harmonizations. SU took practically two years to join, CZ is taking so long that they had to convince everyone in a separate press conference that it was still going to happen. Not to mention many invited associates but not a single associate member. So there are plenty of reasons for MH and SkyTeam to be looking at each other, but don't expect them to become a member overnight.

are some information that I have gathered about the procedure in becomming a full member. However, given many incoming rumours like

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 22):
Other stories I've heard and read on different aviation forums was that SU was basically admitted to SkyTeam purely on political grounds, compliance with safety/quality standards was not really releveant and apparently again AF was the force pushing for SU.
I just have hard time believing the AF runs the SkyTeam and the remaining 7 airlines just sit there and let this happen against their will.

is dizzying. Regardless of whatever procedures or rumours, letting MH to slip away from being a Skyteam member will be a very big mistake given

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 26):
SkyTeam is super strong in its coverage of the Europe-North America routes but almost absent from South America and especially Australia/Pacific and to a large extend SE Asia.

MH fits the hole perfectly!
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:12 pm

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 27):
MH fits the hole perfectly!

I know. It's obvious just from looking on their network. I just don't understand why finding solution for this obvious handicap of the SkyTeam was not given priority (e.g. over admission of SU).
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 22):
The other reason presented was that AF is basically waiting for TG to leave the STAR and "defect" for SkyTeam - with MH joining SkyTeam this less likely to happen. I mean how long are they going to wait before - if ever - TG makes up its mind and will they rather keep their coverage of the SE Asian/Australia-Pacific region subpar in comparison with OW or Star?

I've heard that too and let me squash that rumor. The odds of that happening are practically nill, when you consider the logistics. Also, Thai does not offer the coverage in Australasia that MH does.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 22):
SU was basically admitted to SkyTeam purely on political grounds, compliance with safety/quality standards was not really relevant and apparently again AF was the force pushing for SU.

That is 100% pure BS. SU had to pass the same safety/quality standards as any other member, and as a matter of fact, they were even scrutinized more. Delta did the safety audit. That rumor is simply breath-takingly not true.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 26):
Quoting SQ452 (Reply 23):
Where did you hear this rumor?

I think it was actually a.net...!?

That says it all right there. This forum is a fountain of misinformation.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 28):
Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 27):
MH fits the hole perfectly!

I know. It's obvious just from looking on their network. I just don't understand why finding solution for this obvious handicap of the SkyTeam was not given priority (e.g. over admission of SU).

Because Russia is one of the top three economically growing regions in the world. China (CZ) and India (well covered by most ST members) are the other two. It was a smart business move.
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:49 pm

The followings are the international destinations that could be included in Skyteam's coverage should MH become a full member:

Perth, Australia
Melbourne, Australia
Adelaide, Australia
Medan, Indonesia
Surabaya, Indonesia
Cebu, Phillippines
Phuket, Thailand
Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Siem Reap, Cambodia
Yangon, Myanmar
Kaohsiung, Taiwan
Chengdu, China
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Male, Maldives
Bangalore, India
Chennai, India
Hyderabad, India
Karachi, Pakistan
Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
with 18 other destinations throughout Malaysia
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting GneissGuy (Reply 20):
However, many of their international flights do not depart daily, thus frequency becomes an issue for successful interlining to take place.

MH is not part of any alliance now, so there's no pressing need to have ideal connectivity with other airlines. However, should Skyteam membership materialise, this is an issue that MH would have to seriously address. Expect improved connectivity to other Skyteam hubs, more flights to SE Asia+China+India+Australia and less of overlapping routes that are well served by other Skyteam carriers.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 21):
EWR well NYC is one of the largest cities in the world, I think MH should look at going via ZRH or something here and increasing flights, are they allowed? Then they could also increase flights to ZRH aswell.

MH's current 3x weekly service to EWR now go via ARN, competing against CO & SK's daily services; going via another european city wouldn't make much difference either. Moreover, MH will shrink their european network top just 4 : LHR and 3 Skyteam hubs of AMS, CDG and FCO. With a bit of luck FRA may survive but don't count on it. ZRH will be axed in no time.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 25):
Yes I remeber reading that in another post recently, AMS seems to be MH's main European hub after LHR so a KUL-AMS-EWR flight could be good, though if they join Skytem then its competing againest KL.

MH should just cease operating to EWR now and start codesharing with KLM for transatlantic flights. Asian carriers just can't survive the cut-throat transatlantic market with a few exception like SQ's FRA-JFK (high premium traffic) or AI/PK's flights via MAN/FRA/LHR (dirt-cheap fares). MH would be better off dropping EWR despite it being a Skyteam hub; MH should increase services to AMS to 3x daily and start codesharing not just to EWR but to a host of North American major cities served by KLM. Isn't that the whole point of joining an alliance? MH serving EWR isn't that much difference from KLM serving Australia - market that an airline can't do well would be better off handled by a partner airline.

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 30):
Bangalore, India
Chennai, India
Hyderabad, India
Karachi, Pakistan

MH & SQ may have the advantage of having an extensive coverage of India a couple of years ago but European/US carriers are catching up very fast. AF/KL/NW are already serving MAA, HYD, BLR, BOM & DEL.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 30):
Chengdu, China
Bangalore, India
Chennai, India
Hyderabad, India

Chengdu and Hyderabad are already served by KLM, whereas Air France serves Bangalore. Chennai is currently served by Delta and Air France will take over this route later this year.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting KEno (Reply 31):
With a bit of luck FRA may survive but don't count on it. ZRH will be axed in no time.

ZRH will still be around for Northern Winter 2006/2007, so is ARN and FRA. Recently, the Swiss Economics Minister had asked MH not only to keep ZRH, but also to increase its frequencies to ZRH to 5 weekly. I would imagine ZRH is a high yield destination for MH, given the fact that ZRH (along with NRT and SYD) was one of the first few stations to constantly receive the NSD aircraft. Maybe MH might switch its EWR stopover to ZRH if the Swiss Authorities grant MH fifth freedom rights ex-ZRH (if this has not been granted already). That way, MH will be able to fly more frequently to ZRH and EWR, thus attracting more high yield passengers.

The only routes that will be axed later this year are KUL-FUK, KUL-CTU, Kuching-Tarakan, and BKI-PVG. The rest of the network seems to be intact as of now. Surprisingly, AKL is still 5 weekly on B772 for Winter 2006/2007 schedules, and PER is a mix of B772 and B744, instead of 7 weekly B744 from last year.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting Odie (Reply 33):
The only routes that will be axed later this year are KUL-FUK, KUL-CTU, Kuching-Tarakan, and BKI-PVG. The rest of the network seems to be intact as of now.

It never ceases to amaze me how EZE and the exotic KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE route manages to keep escaping the axe. This route is a treasure for frequent flyer award redemption. I have never had any problem to redeem F awards on KUL-EZE-KUL on the dates I wanted, and I've done 5 so far. Can't remember seeing a single F revenue passenger on board those flights.
 
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting KEno (Reply 31):
MH should increase services to AMS to 3x daily and start codesharing not just to EWR but to a host of North American major cities served by KLM. Isn't that the whole point of joining an alliance? MH serving EWR isn't that much difference from KLM serving Australia - market that an airline can't do well would be better off handled by a partner airline.

This was the original plan when KLM-NWA-MAS applied for antitrust immunity from the US DoT. Kuala Lumpur, Narita and Amsterdam were going to be hubs for the three airlines to provide connectivity. This unfortunately all fell through with Sept 11th changing the face of air travel and Air France's takeover of KLM.

KLM does reciprocally provide connections to several European cities via AMS (for MAS) under the code-share in return for MAS providing connections for Australia/NZ to KLM.

MAS is looking into increase flights into AMS but I think AF may continue to 'deter' KLM from providing trans-atlantic services to MAS...hmm..

Quoting Odie (Reply 33):
Recently, the Swiss Economics Minister had asked MH not only to keep ZRH, but also to increase its frequencies to ZRH to 5 weekly.

I read this too - this is what MAS is always subject to - if not by the Malaysian govt but from foreign diplomats too. Shouldn't the Swiss Economic Minister be pressing Swiss International Airlines to start flights to Kuala Lumpur instead if it was so important for the Swiss Business community and Swiss investment in Malaysia???

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 34):
It never ceases to amaze me how EZE and the exotic KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE route manages to keep escaping the axe.

Dr. M springs to mind here... how else would he get to his ranch???
 
pers
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:43 am

Remember, there are a lot of people of Malay descent living in the Cape Town area, Johannesburg is the commercial hub as well. My partner and I have flown F on LAX-TPE-KUL-JNB-CPT, and certainly paid for our seats!
 
9MMAR
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:42 pm

Quoting KEno (Reply 31):
AF/KL/NW are already serving MAA, HYD, BLR, BOM & DEL.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 32):
Chengdu and Hyderabad are already served by KLM, whereas Air France serves Bangalore. Chennai is currently served by Delta and Air France will take over this route later this year.

I compared the Skyteam's route map in their website with MH's destinations. Looks like their website was not updated.
 
RobertS975
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:04 pm

As for the timing of eventual SkyTeam membership for MH, don't anyone hold your breath. China Southern was announced in 2004 and they are still not finalized as of yet. Kenya, Air Europa, Tarom and COPA were announced in 6/05 and still awaiting final admission. Aeroflot took a long time as well.

I have never understood why it should take YEARS to go through whatever the process is to get into ST.
 
B777-700
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:58 pm

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 38):
Kenya, Air Europa, Tarom and COPA were announced in 6/05 and still awaiting final admission.

Associate members. Think of it as a glorified codeshare.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 38):
I have never understood why it should take YEARS to go through whatever the process is to get into ST.

Slowing things down is the financial situation of three of the members. That aside, there are very stringent safety and quality standards. It's been said all along, ST was never planned to be the biggest, the goal is to be the best.
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 39):
It's been said all along, ST was never planned to be the biggest, the goal is to be the best.

That is very honorable, and I dare say that, in terms of quality, Skyteam should not have any fears of MH, which has absolutely no problem outperforming the likes of NW and DL and likely some other Skyteam members in terms of overall passenger satisfaction any day of the week.
 
787kq
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 39):
Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 38):
Kenya, Air Europa, Tarom and COPA were announced in 6/05 and still awaiting final admission.

Associate members. Think of it as a glorified codeshare

That's exactly how I think of the full members of the alliance too. Little difference.
 
B777-700
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 40):
Skyteam should not have any fears of MH, which has absolutely no problem outperforming the likes of NW and DL and likely some other Skyteam members in terms of overall passenger satisfaction any day of the week.

That really doesn't have much to do with it. MH is very attractive to ST, but that's all their is right now. The whole process can take years.

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 41):
That's exactly how I think of the full members of the alliance too. Little difference.

It's actually quite a difference, if you're familiar with the workings of a major alliance, which it doesn't appear that you are.
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787kq
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 42):
It's actually quite a difference, if you're familiar with the workings of a major alliance, which it doesn't appear that you are.

Since apparently you know better, what are those differences? Or is yours just another smug...and useless comment.
 
B777-700
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 43):
Since apparently you know better, what are those differences? Or is yours just another smug...and useless comment.

If we're talking about inner workings in an alliance between full-on menbers and associate members, the difference has everything to do with voting rights, entry requirements, and who they will codeshare on.
If you don't chew Big Red, then @#$% you.
 
787kq
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 44):
If we're talking about inner workings in an alliance between full-on menbers and associate members, the difference has everything to do with voting rights, entry requirements, and who they will codeshare on.

I suggest you check out other threads on the differences between associate and full members here on A-net. The bottom line is that there is no practical implication for the customer.

So being a full member is glorified codesharing (your words) with voting rights. So what?
 
B777-700
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:10 pm

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 45):
I suggest you check out other threads on the differences between associate and full members here on A-net. The bottom line is that there is no practical implication for the customer.

Haha, I don't need to refer to this fountain of misinformation when I can talk to SkyTeam people personally.

Further, last I checked, I was never talking about customer experience. You're trying to change my words to suit your needs.

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 45):
So being a full member is glorified codesharing (your words) with voting rights. So what?

I'm sorry you feel that way.
If you don't chew Big Red, then @#$% you.
 
787kq
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RE: MH And Skyteam Latest...

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 46):
Haha, I don't need to refer to this fountain of misinformation when I can talk to SkyTeam people personally.

Refer to some unseen authority about facts to which only you are privy but A-net members are gas bags without facts. Hmmmm. References to your comments?

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