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DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:24 am

Just noticed today that the Shuttle America/DL Connection E70 has made its debut in scheduled service in ATL. Flying as DL 6454, it is the 4:08p departure to JFK. And even though I expected C or D Concourse to be its assigned area, it is parking on B Concourse. Freedom ERJ's have also began parking on A or B Concourse as well, as compared to C. Good to see the well-liked E70 make her debut with us in ATL.



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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:27 am

Yup was about time, our all hope is that the E-Jets will replace the CR7s on the Caribbean routes asap Big grin .
Didn't know they are using Concourse A now as well. It was known that Chautauqua would be operating from B19/20 (and 18 appearantly as well as seen on a recent pic), due to those gates being too narrow for mainline, but Concourse A is a surprise. I suppose they will be using the gates close to the central area as well?
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:34 am

The E70's have been serving ATL since June. Routes include ATL-MDW, ATL-SAT, ATL-JFK and ATL-TYS.

While I like the EMB170's, seeing RJ's slowly takeover mainline gates in A and B is not so exciting.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
Didn't know they are using Concourse A now as well. It was known that Chautauqua would be operating from B19/20 (and 18 appearantly as well as seen on a recent pic),

I wasn't exactly sure of the gates for CHQ, so it is B-19 and 20. The E70 is also being operated out of a narrowbody B gate. I do hope to see more arrive. Neat looking little birds, if I do say so myself.



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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):
While I like the EMB170's, seeing RJ's slowly takeover mainline gates in A and B is not so exciting.

Well, as said, those gates in B that CHQ operates out of can't be used for mainline planes, not even 732s, and have been pretty much unused ever since DL retired the 727s. Personally, I'd rather have Embraers at those gates than see them not being used at all  Wink . Allows DL to add quite a few additional flights at ATL.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
our all hope is that the E-Jets will replace the CR7s on the Caribbean routes asap

Please let it be true please let it be true....lol (PLS,PSE,BQN,STX)
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:11 am

I hope you're not thinking today is the first E70 to ATL...I flew MDW-ATL back on the 13th on a Shuttle America E170.

Fantastic airplane, BTW...it was my first time on one and I think it's my new favorite shorthaul airplane. Takes off and climbs like a rocket, big windows at the proper eye level, and the little 6-seat F cabin is great - the seats in the second row have tons of recline (all the way back into the mesh net that separates F and Y  biggrin  ). Only disappointment was that I wanted to try the mojito and they don't have it on Connection carriers.  hissyfit   Wink I won't miss the 732 if the replacement is mainline E190s or 195s.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 6):
I hope you're not thinking today is the first E70 to ATL...I flew MDW-ATL back on the 13th on a Shuttle America E170

Yup, just noticed it today while passing through on a 757 and decided to find out when I got off the plane. Can't believe I never noticed any before or heard anything of them.

In either case, I'm sure most a.netters were also not aware of the newest addition to ATL.



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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 6):
big windows at the proper eye level,

That's the truth, the one thing that irritates me with the CRJ. Even the ERJ has a large window

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 7):
In either case, I'm sure most a.netters were also not aware of the newest addition to ATL.

I saw the 170 in Atlanta in June and wondered why no one mentioned this. It's weird seeing someone other than EV or OH not being the darling in offering new DL service. I'm sure some group in DL will be a little upset seeing a DCI aircraft on A or B.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:10 am

They are also serving MEM from ATL with the E70. I am flying on it tomorrow morning at 9am.

Flew it once before from SLC to DFW, great plane.

Also, saw this morning where Embraer got 30 more firm orders from Republic.
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 9):
Also, saw this morning where Embraer got 30 more firm orders from Republic.

Correct, but for USX, not DCI  Sad .
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:03 am

S5 and RP are using gates B16 (not very often), B17 (145, mostly 170 now), B18 (170), B19 (145 - no jetway access), B20 (145 mostly). I used B19 twice today. It's still just the B concourse, nothing on A, and Freedom is over at C.
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting Loggat (Reply 11):
S5 and RP are using gates B16 (not very often), B17 (145, mostly 170 now), B18 (170), B19 (145 - no jetway access), B20 (145 mostly). I used B19 twice today.

Except B-16, which I see as a waste for any non-mainline plane, makes sense to have those gates used for RJs, as they are all somewhat limited due to the Concourse's central hall.

Quoting Loggat (Reply 11):
and Freedom is over at C.

Since when has Freedom been operating from ATL?
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:33 am

I have also noticed these E70s in ATL... Good to see them... Shuttle America is expanding with Delta, and its good... I wish DL and S5 the best of luck...
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 12):
Since when has Freedom been operating from ATL?

I think about a month or two now, not a large operation

B16 is just used as an overflow if the other gates are used or there is a delayed aircraft there. I think Delta also realizes that it is a mainline gate. There was also an E70 at B15 today too, possibly for the same reason. With the transfer of E70 flying from SLC to ATL, I expect that many more of the "mainline" gates will have the E70 utilizing them.
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 4):
Well, as said, those gates in B that CHQ operates out of can't be used for mainline planes, not even 732s, and have been pretty much unused ever since DL retired the 727s.

Why is that? How could 727s have used those gates but not 737s?
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:18 am

Quote:
Good to see the well-liked E70 make her debut with us in ATL.

Expect to see even more of them when the September schedule change goes into effect. Word is that most, if not all of Shuttle America's E70 flying for Delta Connection will shift from SLC to ATL.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 16):
Expect to see even more of them when the September schedule change goes into effect. Word is that most, if not all of Shuttle America's E70 flying for Delta Connection will shift from SLC to ATL.

Let's see a HVN-ATL route in that plane .. pleeeeeease, DL!! We deserve far better than US Dash8s to PHL !!
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:10 pm

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 15):
Why is that? How could 727s have used those gates but not 737s?

The 727 had wings which were angled way more than the 737 series, plus the fact that it had its engines on the tail, so there was no need for engine safety zones in front of the wing, which of course take away quite a bit of valuable space at those gates.

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 16):
Expect to see even more of them when the September schedule change goes into effect. Word is that most, if not all of Shuttle America's E70 flying for Delta Connection will shift from SLC to ATL.

What would the replacements be, CR7s *shudders*? Also, some routes would require an upgrade to mainline, as I believe some routes, e.g. CLE or MZT are out of the range of the E-Jets.

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 17):
Let's see a HVN-ATL route in that plane .. pleeeeeease, DL!! We deserve far better than US Dash8s to PHL !!

Dream on. Comair couldn't make HVN work with 40-seaters, how should S5 be able to do it with a 70-seater? With a First Class as well. Waste of resources.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 18):
What would the replacements be, CR7s *shudders*? Also, some routes would require an upgrade to mainline, as I believe some routes, e.g. CLE or MZT are out of the range of the E-Jets.

The new Skywest CRJ-900 series airplanes will be taking a number of the routes, and the rest will be mainline replacements. Off the top of my head, I think CLE, DTW and probably ORD will have mostly MD-90 service (I suspect slightly reduced).
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:43 pm

[quote]Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 18):
What would the replacements be, CR7s *shudders*? Also, some routes would require an upgrade to mainline, as I believe some routes, e.g. CLE or MZT are out of the range of the E-Jets.

The new Skywest CRJ-900 series airplanes will be taking a number of the routes, and the rest will be mainline replacements. Off the top of my head, I think CLE, DTW and probably ORD will have mostly MD-90 service (I suspect slightly reduced).[/quotw]

You got it. CLE and DTW were reduced to 1x daily service to SLC with the E70s, then mainline (MD-90s) quickly replaced the Embraer in both markets. The fall schedule has several routes, such as SLC-BNA, flying with Skywest's CRJ-705s in place of Shuttle's EMB-170s, while other routes, like SLC-IND/CMH have been reduced to 1x daily service with the E70. Not sure whether those two routes will see mainline or Skywest, since both are major Shuttle maintenance and crew bases.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting Loggat (Reply 19):



Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 20):

I see. Appreciate the info  Smile .
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:32 am

CLE is getting an E170 back this fall to SLC. It'll be the E70 in the morning and the MD-90 in the afternoon.
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:36 am

I am excited for the E-series for DCI also. In fact, I'm flying IND-SLC-CVG-GRR just to get the E170 early next month. Funny thing is, it is all a married route, so my fare was the same!
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:46 am

I flew out of FLL this am and one of the e170s was sitting on the tarmac near where DHL parks...looked mighty good in DL Colors.

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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:54 am

Yeah we are surely opening shop in ATL, we just picked up GPT as well, because that market is screaming for more seats, with its intense booking levels, and constantly overbooked flights, that require bumping pax. Delta is impressed with our ops, but I am not impressed with the fact they are still extending S3 boarding priorites to ASA, and allowing them to give out buddy passes, while we dont get neither. We get S3C priorites, with no buddy passes, and our eligibles have to pay a yield fare. The Delta ops are nice, but I try to stay on the United side, yeah, it can be rough at times, but at least we get buddy passes and access to United employee facilities. Now we just need to get those UAX 170s into GPT from ORD  Wink
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:04 pm

When are they going to send this little honey to SAV? Sounds like a great plane for the SAV-ATL route. Does anyone agree? I mean, We are getting upgrades in service again (last I heard 6, yes 6 daily 757's, 1 CRJ100, and 3 daily MD88's). Does anyone see this sweet bird coming into SAV anytime soon?
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:26 pm

I see it coming into SAV, but its not official. We are waiting to see if DL will allow us to do more flying, and the rumors have it we plan to establish a base in ATL, but this is ONLY rumor, although a good one, with lots of facts that lead to one answer, a base. We are doing an awful lot of deadheading to ATL from our ORD base, so it makes sense. We do MDW overnights, yes, ORD crews do indeed layover in Chicago! We deadhead to ATL and fly the plane back to MDW, overnight, and do it in reverse. So I see potential for a base. We are now doing ATL: JFK, MDW, HOU, GPT, TYS, soon to be CMH, and most likely IND (IND and CMH are our other crew bases). I believe, this is just my opinion, we are the future of Delta Connection, as the EMB 170 is unlike any other RJ out there, and it should not even be considered an RJ, being it has more room than a 737. By far, our planes have scored numerous rave reviews by the pax, so Delta decided it would be best if we focus in on ATL. We do use the B Gates, along with our sister Chautauqua, as our planes require the use of jetways (Hence we dont put airstairs on them). We are NOT out to replace DL mainline, we are out to supplement them with a quality product, that nobody else can even hold a candle to. So I would picture SAV coming into the picture real soon. We have a bright future with Delta, I am excited about it. We are still ironing out the kinks and growing pains, but I assure you, we will deliver an excellent Delta product.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:26 pm

I'm booked on one IND-ATL on Oct. 1
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:12 pm

Quoting UAX170 (Reply 27):
I see it coming into SAV, but its not official. We are waiting to see if DL will allow us to do more flying, and the rumors have it we plan to establish a base in ATL, but this is ONLY rumor, although a good one, with lots of facts that lead to one answer, a base. We are doing an awful lot of deadheading to ATL from our ORD base, so it makes sense. We do MDW overnights, yes, ORD crews do indeed layover in Chicago! We deadhead to ATL and fly the plane back to MDW, overnight, and do it in reverse. So I see potential for a base. We are now doing ATL: JFK, MDW, HOU, GPT, TYS, soon to be CMH, and most likely IND (IND and CMH are our other crew bases). I believe, this is just my opinion, we are the future of Delta Connection, as the EMB 170 is unlike any other RJ out there, and it should not even be considered an RJ, being it has more room than a 737. By far, our planes have scored numerous rave reviews by the pax, so Delta decided it would be best if we focus in on ATL. We do use the B Gates, along with our sister Chautauqua, as our planes require the use of jetways (Hence we dont put airstairs on them). We are NOT out to replace DL mainline, we are out to supplement them with a quality product, that nobody else can even hold a candle to. So I would picture SAV coming into the picture real soon. We have a bright future with Delta, I am excited about it. We are still ironing out the kinks and growing pains, but I assure you, we will deliver an excellent Delta product.

Well spoken! And true, I hope. I have not yet had the chance to ride an E70, but I sure can't wait to do so. I've heard many good stories and hope that the Jungle Jet's are the future of DL Connection. If the flying becomes extensive enough, maybe you can see those nasty S3C's go away and get S3 priority, but since OO has the same predicament out of SLC, maybe not. Just keep your fingers crossed.

Now, if I can just find someway to convice Embraer to change from the bicycle handlebars to a traditional yolk. I've heard they are not that bad to get used to, but can be a bit challenging in a crosswind landing.



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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:24 pm

The Yoke on the EMB's is perfect and it is unique. The pilots that I fly with find it easier to fly than the traditional yoke.



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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:50 pm

I'm booked on ATL-JFK this week on one, looking forward to it! New type for me!
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:12 am

Yeah hopefully we'll get rid of the S3C, or DL will make all DLX carriers S3C, either way is fair. I just find it funny how a mainline F/A can bump a COMAIR F/A off of her own plane, while at United, this is unheard of when you deal with United Express. The Delta ops are nice, we even serve full meals in F/C on most NY flights. Lapper, let me know how it goes, good or bad.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting UAX170 (Reply 32):
The Delta ops are nice, we even serve full meals in F/C on most NY flights.

Wait a minute, you serve meals on the E70's on the NY flights in F? The E-170 has ovens? Oh my, the days of knowing I'm on DL Connection and having to settle for peanuts and Biscoffs are coming to an end. YES!!! Makes me even more enticed to give the E-70 a try soon, but in F! LOL



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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:22 am

Even on the UA E70's there is meal service.



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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:28 am

The funny thing is, we have ovens on the UAX birds (Not used), not on DLX. But, we serve cold meals in F/C on DL, and they are nice. We offer turkey wraps, ham and cheese sandwhiches, cereal and bagels, etc, depending on which flight you are on. We offer only one choice, but we do offer meals, unheard of for DLX. As for UAX, we offer the exPlus meal box, which in the morning is a breakfast assortment, and in the evening is cheese and crackers. I also fill my pax up with the snack basket junk on DLX after their meals, they are usually pretty happy  Wink
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting UAX170 (Reply 32):
Lapper, let me know how it goes, good or bad.

I will. I did a trip report for my O/B which was on DL mainline from JFK-ATL. I'll try and post some pics up for the return.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:45 am

Don't you mean DLC not DLX. DLX was all 737-200's a few years ago.


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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:50 am

Who was the first to bring the E-Jets to Atlanta?

Air Canada?
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 33):
Wait a minute, you serve meals on the E70's on the NY flights in F? The E-170 has ovens? Oh my, the days of knowing I'm on DL Connection and having to settle for peanuts and Biscoffs are coming to an end. YES!!! Makes me even more enticed to give the E-70 a try soon, but in F! LOL

No meals on the E70's operated by Shuttle America.
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:51 am

Oh yes we have meals, I served numerous meals the other day out of LGA, you will probaly get a meal on one of our flights, if you are seated in F.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting UAX170 (Reply 32):
I just find it funny how a mainline F/A can bump a COMAIR F/A off of her own plane

That is not possible. If the mainline was positive space, and the OH f/a was non-rev, then yes that is true. If both are non-rev, then they are both S3 or S2 (depending on what they used), and it is seniority based.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:39 pm

Right, about it being seniority based, but the COMAIR F/A should have higher seniority than mainline, regardless of when they were hired by COMAIR, because its a COMAIR plane (If its mainline, mainline should go before COMAIR). Thats how UAX does it, its the fairest way.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:36 pm

Same thing with ASA currently. Until DL adjusts the boarding priority for them. It should be adjusted on the BP for the different carriers. I mean we are S3 on CHQ and S3C on S5, which is weird because we are all on 1 seniority list.




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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:09 am

You should be S3 on Shuttle, period. If ASA is going to keep S3 despite being bought by SkyWest, then you, as a CHQ employee should be able to bump any other DL emp (Other than Republic, unless our seniority warrants it), from our planes. Thats the way I see it. ASA can still give out buddy passes too, from what I heard. I am a stickler about taking our people first, and I believe, since we are not wholly owned by DL, our policies take precedence. I properly correct people from mainline when they make a stink about me taking our people first, thats the way I work, and thats the way I am going to work.
 
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RE: DL/Shuttle America E70's In ATL!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:14 am

You guys are lucky to hve the 170s in service so much over there.
I wish we could have a bit more action over here in Europe, at the moment all we can get is a Finnair 170 from ireland or a Alitalia 170 from MAN.
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