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AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:05 am

I was wondering again.

After Delta broke out the new uniforms I cant help but think how wonderful they are(some still just can't look nice in whatever they wear). In my opinion they have the BEST uniforms of any U.S carrier. Having something to wear everyday that looks great and also spells professionalism can make a person feel good. Now I know the last thing on some Airlines minds are uniforms for employees. But AA and CO really need a change. The alternate dresses for the female crews of both Airlines are just Godawful and I cant believe some of them wear it. United I thought had the best untill now, I think they need something new but those Uniforms are what only 6 years old?

Who gets to decide what type of Uniforms the staff/crew gets? Do employees have any say? Also the contemporary trend seems to be well known fashion designers. Question for the crew: whats more important? Having something to wear that allows you to be able to do you job most effectively or fashion? Would you like your Airline to follow the rend set by BA, DL, or even KE?

In general, how do you feel about women who wear high heels while on the job as a F/A? I just wonder because anything can happen where they may need to run and their heels could break then would have to remove their shoes and be safety coordinators with no foot protection. Could an Airline get away with mandating Female crew wear certain shoes with restrictions on the height of the heel?
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:13 am

CO has had their uniform since 1990 or so. I personally like it. It wears well and fits fine. I just wish (much to the chagrin of my co-workers) the men had hats (similar to the pilots).

On a side note, how many uniforms has DL had in the past years? It seems like 2 or three.

Before TW went out, wasn't their uniform from 1975 or so?
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:16 am

I think a fashionable uniform for flight attendants adds a bit of class. I like how many of the European Airlines have uniforms that show a bit of style and sophistication. Many of the uniforms worn by flight attendants in the United States are very boring. I wouldn't be proud to wear them. Of course many US airlines would never go to the expense of tailoring uniforms, but they look so much better that way.

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Could an Airline get away with mandating Female crew wear certain shoes with restrictions on the height of the heel?

I've noticed that it is the opposite. I've spoken with a number of female flight attendants that wear only the required heals when on the ground and switch to flat shoes in the air. I've noticed this more from NRT based crews for United. From what I understand, the Japanese women hate the heals and will take them off as soon as they are allowed to.
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
In general, how do you feel about women who wear high heels while on the job as a F/A? I just wonder because anything can happen where they may need to run and their heels could break then would have to remove their shoes and be safety coordinators with no foot protection. Could an Airline get away with mandating Female crew wear certain shoes with restrictions on the height of the heel?

As you know SWA is different in this, they don't wear officila unfiroms, its a colored dark blue shirt or vest (depend on your gender) with a WN logo or name, its different, they have choices, and men usually wear tennis shoes as do the woman, some of the more senior F/A I have seen wear complete flat heel dress shoes if they were a suit with their WN uniform. All depends really.

Whiel looks are something to few people, I dont really care, i want them to be comfortable so when they are comfortable they feel happier and will eb kinder to us and also safety wise, if its more effective to run in shoes, then god damn wear those shoes!

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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:30 am

US Airways is in a desperate need of some flare, but I understand with their new ways that this is not a major cost to them. Although, if you are trying to build a new image as US Airways is; this is the most direct 'cheaper' change versus say a new Cabin.
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting Graham697 (Reply 4):
US Airways is in a desperate need of some flare, but I understand with their new ways that this is not a major cost to them. Although, if you are trying to build a new image as US Airways is; this is the most direct 'cheaper' change versus say a new Cabin.

They are in progress....should be ready by early next year from what we hear. They hired a designer to do it, with LOTS of input from employees, which is great. Can't wait to see what they look like!
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:12 am

CO's uniforms are just fine. They don't need to be changed. They're classy, businesslike, and appealing.
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:44 am

Continentals are very dated and nothing matches and the quality is horrible. They need to ditch the pleats in everything, get rid of all of the gold buttons, multiple prints that are all bad, cheap stripe shirts, floppy female neckware, have a skirt that is actually wearable without costly alterations, female inspired blazers, and no more double breasted coats for the men, design a decent quality tie and limit the amount of prints available lets not even mention the domestic shorts and bring the uniform out of the late 80's....i know almost no on who likes it or finds it comfortable....wool-like coats are the only thing that should stay.
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting GlobalDude (Reply 7):
wool-like coats are the only thing that should stay.

That's the one thing I hate about the uniform. What a crappy coat. I never wear mine.
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:02 am

I personally like the US carriers uniforms. Some are nicer than others, but none are really ugly.

I like the women's dresses because they can wear them no matter what size they are. A female FA with a nice figure sure looks awesome in a dress, while a "bigger" lady doesn´t look that bad either. Most bigger women definitely look better in a dress than in pants or skirt and blouse, vest and jacket.

Also they´re very practical and look both feminine and uniform-like.

And while talking about European carriers, in my opinion BA used to have the ugliest uniforms in the past. The last uniform collection worn before the current one was ugly as hell. The current one is okay, but nothing special either. But sure better than all past BA uniform collections.

Our LH uniforms aren´t that nice also. If it wasn´t for the yellow ties and women's scarfs it would be a nice uniform, but the yellow makes it ugly. The men basically look the same for the past 50 years!!! How boring!!! Mine doesn´t fit well either! Potato sack!

I like the US carriers uniforms best!

AA´s, UA´s, CO´s uniforms are really nice. I also liked UA´s pre 9/11 uniform.

NW´s uniform is not as nice as the other ones but I like it. Aren´t they about to change it as well? Somebody told me they wanted to change it, but I thought he might have been confused and was actually talking about DL´s new uniform.

US has the most boring uniform as of right now, but it still is okay. Just boring, not ugly!

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
On a side note, how many uniforms has DL had in the past years? It seems like 2 or three.

With the current new uniform, they had three since 1990.

DL had one uniform collection throughout the 1990´s. Basically navy pants, skirts, waistcoats and jackets but also with the option of the same basic parts in grey. Women had the option of white or dark blue blouses of different design, and navy long or short-sleeved buttoned dresses! This was DL´s uniform I liked best! Style and class! Many options but still everything that could be combined looked like a DL uniform.

Late 2000 they came out with the casual-like grey uniform with the blue shirts and blouses and the grey women's dresses. When I first saw it I was kind of shocked I admit! It was such a stark contrast to the 90´s uniform. But after a while I thought they were okay, even though I know how much all my friends at DL hated the uniform. I thought at least ít´s something different. But I never got over the fact that they´ve changed the uniform wings. The pair of golden DL wings worn on jackets and vests looked so (DL) distinguished!
I wondered how the new wings were allowed onboard post 9/11! They look so sharp it seems like you can kill someone with them!

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Before TW went out, wasn't their uniform from 1975 or so?

TWA`s uniform was a 1979 Ralph Lauren collection. And was basically the same until 2001. The uniform was slightly modified a few times over the years. Like the pants, skirts and jackets cut.
In the months before TWA ceased operations they were in the process of getting a new uniform. I remember the last time I flew TWA (in march 2001) some FA´s already wore different dresses without any stripes on the sleeves and golden buttons, the wings were changed from silver to gold and some wore jackets with blue stripes on the sleeves instead of the reed/maroon ones.
I don´t think the process of changing the uniforms was ever completed before TWA finally came to an end. Any TWA people out there with detailed information about this?

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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:28 am

DL´s 1990´s uniform collection:

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Delta´s original golden wings


DL´s uniform collection from late 2000 until May 2006:

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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:38 am

Wow... that woman can get into the same pose everytime she changes uniforms..... thats dedication.  Wink  Silly

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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:05 pm

I think CO's uniform is the most classy. It commands a sense of respect and authority. I love the male aviator shirts and that shirt-like jacket the females wear the the gold stripe on the sleeve. The gold buttons and stripe on the blazer pulls its all together and creates a uniform of timeless elegance. This uniform can be worn in 1990 or in 2090 and still be in style! ROCK ON CO!!
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:04 pm

No money. While a new uniform would be nice. I would rather see the cash placed in our paychecks than in a new uniform. Even though new clothes can make a person feel good. I have already seen DL flight attendants looking pretty sloppy in it. It depends on the individual. People don't take pride in themselves any longer. While our uniform at AA can use some updating. If it is worn properly it does not look too bad. The problem is a lot of people just don't care what they look like.
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 13):
The problem is a lot of people just don't care what they look like

I can attest to that! In my honest opinion a uniform is a uniform and as long as I can feel safe on the plane I'm good! I saw this one AA flight attendant with the cooking dress on(Thats what I call it, its not the regular dress that zips up in the back) and she looked gorgeous in it! Even some DL F/A's looked not so quite well. With them I ask was really the blue/grey you didnt like or is it just you lol!

have a good flying day everyone!
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:12 am

I think most of the UA F/A's I have spoken to on flights would welcome an updated Uniform saying that the current is too business like and for that matter..dated!. Apparently UA were going to change theres pre 9/11 but obviously that got shelved and some minor changes were instead implemented. At some stage I am sure it will be changed but I suspect that is way down on the list of things at present.
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 15):
Apparently UA were going to change theres pre 9/11 but obviously that got shelved and some minor changes were instead implemented.

The uniform was changed. Pre 9/11 was a totally different uniform. The current uniform is post 9/11
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 16):
The uniform was changed. Pre 9/11 was a totally different uniform. The current uniform is post 9/11

Yes but only minor changes with the removal of the claret piping replaced with grey piping........hardly a new uniform....ask any FA at UA and they will tell you that this is just a "stepping stone" uniform.
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:54 am

Honestly I don´t know what you are talking about.

This is UA´s current uniform (post 9/11) :

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And this used to be UA´s uniform pre 9/11:

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So if you ask me, it´s a totally different uniform, not only minor changes!

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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:54 am

yes its an interim Uniform, not the full blown change......its a temporary uniform...your the one that doesn't know what they are talking about...ask a UA FA if you dont beleive me.....christ..I know many who will beg to differ with you.
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
CO's uniforms are just fine. They don't need to be changed. They're classy, businesslike, and appealing.

I flew two segments up front on CO yesterday. All attendants I interacted with were female, with maybe 30 years in age spread-- and everyone looked very sharp and professional. Also I saw the most attractive female FA in years on a COEX flight a few months ago... so apparently there's no problem in that department either.

I can't speak to the comfort of the uniforms of course, but I do recall a certain seinfeld episode where George got the Yankees to switch to cotton jerseys  Smile

Of course it's funny on seinfeld but it would be catastrophic in real life!
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:40 am

Maybe AA/CO/NW should go for something like these:

Air France by Christian Lacroix.

Air France

British Airways by Julien MacDonald

http://www.oneworld.com/content/image_library/images/BA57336.300dpi.jpg

They look stunning!

Also rumour has it that Vivienne Westwood has been chosen to design Virgin Atlantic's new uniform!

[Edited 2006-07-26 00:51:26]
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 19):
yes its an interim Uniform, not the full blown change......its a temporary uniform...your the one that doesn't know what they are talking about...ask a UA FA if you dont beleive me.....christ..I know many who will beg to differ with you.

Of course, an interim uniform for the last 5 years... hahaha

Well I know more than one UA flight attendant, I know UA FA´s based in LHR, FRA and the US and trust me, it is NOT an interim uniform.

It´s true that there were talks about slight modifications, like putting the stripes back on the sleeves of the jackets or different ties for the men... but that´s about it! The uniform would basically be the same...

Yet alone the term interim uniform! What a stupid move would that be to design an interim uniform!

And NO it has nothing to do with 9/11!!! UAL wasn´t in pretty good shape financially even before 9/11! The uniform was designed without stripes. And later they thought it might be better to put stripes back on... but as of right now they don´t wanna spend the money, and will probably invest in a new uniform sooner or later!

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[Edited 2006-07-26 01:23:52]
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:27 am

Oh and may I quote one more time...

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 17):
Yes but only minor changes with the removal of the claret piping replaced with grey piping........hardly a new uniform....ask any FA at UA and they will tell you that this is just a "stepping stone" uniform.

Now please tell me where are the minor changes to the pre 9/11 uniform??? Again it´s a totally different uniform. I was not talking about any changes that might be made to the new uniform, just that it´s a totally different one!

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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:00 am

I think all of the above uniforms look good. A sharp uniform makes a flight crew really look professional. I wish some of the passengers flying these days looked half as good. I always dress up a bit when I fly. I always put on a sport coat and nice shirt. I just think it is boorish to dress like a bum when traveling.

I remember seeing UA ( I think it was anyway) pilots around DEN in the 80s and they had brown uniforms. I always thought that was ugly.

Quoting Ludavid777 (Reply 12):
The gold buttons and stripe on the blazer pulls its all together and creates a uniform of timeless elegance. This uniform can be worn in 1990 or in 2090 and still be in style! ROCK ON CO!!

I would agree!
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:21 pm

http://www.braniffinternational.org/image/halstonfashion.htm

Now those are some uniforms !

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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:21 pm

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 23):
Now please tell me where are the minor changes to the pre 9/11 uniform??? Again it´s a totally different uniform. I was not talking about any changes that might be made to the new uniform, just that it´s a totally different one!

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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:40 pm

Most airlines have pretty decent uniforms; it's the people who choose to wear them wrinkled, incomplete, untailored, etc. that keep them from looking sharp.

I recall one male UA flight attendant whom I saw on flights twice in the course of three months. Both times he had his tie loosened in a "I'm a drunk" look, top button of his shirt undone, sleeves rolled up, no jackets, and was unshaven. Only one word for the look: slovenly.

One thing I really appreciate is when people who wear uniforms as part of their jobs have enough self-respect to at least pull it together nicely at the start of the day and keep it together throughout the day.
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:49 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 26):
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz....oh, you still there!

Yeah, I´m still here... and I´ll let the pictures speak for themselves...  Big grin
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 28):
Yeah, I´m still here... and I´ll let the pictures speak for themselves...

Of course they do....they show the intermitant uniform....ZZZZZZZzzzzz!
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:51 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 29):
Of course they do....they show the intermitant uniform....ZZZZZZZzzzzz!

Well I´m pretty sure you believe it yourself... LOL  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

But I will end this discussion right now, because it´s pointless!

It´s NOT an interim uniform! And even IF it was planned as an interim uniform (which it wasn´t!!!) after almost 5 years you can hardly call it interim!!!

It´s the current UAL uniform introduced in late 2001/early 2002!!! PERIOD!!!
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:25 pm

NWA has the worst uniforms for both inflight and ground staff. They scream welcome to 1991.
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 31):
NWA has the worst uniforms for both inflight and ground staff. They scream welcome to 1991.

Actually 1992. But I do agree with you.

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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:00 am

About a year and a half ago AA put together a uniform team made up of employees from the various departments with uniforms. They are exploring new uniform possibilities and are/were considering a designer name. Having said that, our VP Flight Service says don't hold our breath. We'll get new uniforms, but not until the company's finances are in order. Sure, things are looking up, but so aren't fuel prices. It's my guess it will be at least a year before any serious work begins on a new uniform and another year beyond that before we have one. Two years minimum. But hey, something to look forward to, right?

My biggest complaint about our uniform at AA is the quality. The liners on the blazers are always ripping out and the fabric quality on the pants is horrible. I wish we could go with blue shirts as an interim change and new ties for the men. I think the women's uniform is nicer than the men's, but certainly not amazing, just nicer.

A lot of employees say they want their pay back before we get a new uniform. I disagree. The cost of new uniforms is far cheaper than giving back our pay and will cost a fraction per employee compared to a raise. In essence, a new uniform is much less expensive and won't affect the time in which it takes to get our previous pay scale back. I'd like to come to work wearing a nice, comfortable uniform that I'm proud of.
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 30):
Well I´m pretty sure you believe it yourself... LOL

Thats right I do, what part of this dont you understand.......they introduced an intermidiate uniform as is currently worn...your quite correct its been worn for a few years now, longer than what was originally anticipated. However if i can refer you to my first reply (15) after 9/11 everything within that airline went pear shaped, they went CH11 etc...so little boy, the Uniform was and is temporary but needless to say its gone way down the list of priorities and rightly so with UA. End of...oh sorry period as you would say! Big grin
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 34):
so little boy

please stop calling me little boy... I´m no longer a little boy, and I´m definitely not your little boy! I hope I made that clear enough!

Obviously you´re not mature enough to have a discussion in a respectful way... sorry, you might see that different but I don´t wanna be called little boy, by a total stranger!!! So please stop doing this! I´m a grown up man and I want to be treated like one... clear enough???!!!

And regarding the UAL uniform you´re talking complete nonsense and crap... oh okay, now that was probably disrespectful, huh???

Again, nonsense!!!

Look at all your posts! Others as well will realize that you contradict yourself!

Let´s start a little quiz... look at the pics below and then please point out the minor changes between the two uniform dresses...


This is part of your first post:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 15):
Apparently UA were going to change theres pre 9/11 but obviously that got shelved and some minor changes were instead implemented.

And this was my reply:

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 16):
The uniform was changed. Pre 9/11 was a totally different uniform. The current uniform is post 9/11

And then you started to contradict yourself:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 17):
Yes but only minor changes with the removal of the claret piping replaced with grey piping........hardly a new uniform....ask any FA at UA and they will tell you that this is just a "stepping stone" uniform.

Again, please point out the minor changes!!!

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 19):
yes its an interim Uniform, not the full blown change......its a temporary uniform...

A temporary uniform!!! Come on please give me a break! They´ve designed a complete new uniform! The jackets and pants and skirts look pretty much the same, nevertheless they´re NEW!!! And you can tell they´re new because they don´t have the stripes any longer. The shirts/blouses, scarfs, hats, ties and in particular the women´s dresses are brand new and totally different to the style UAL had before!

Just because some of your "friends" at UAL probably kept talking about the stripes they wanna put back on, and maybe because they don´t like the current uniform that much, doesn´t mean that it´s not the full blown change to use your words!

And finally when running out of arguments you start getting ridiculous:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 26):
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz....oh, you still there!



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 29):
Of course they do....they show the intermitant uniform....ZZZZZZZzzzzz!



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 34):
Thats right I do, what part of this dont you understand.......



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 34):
so little boy

Well I guess that shows what a BIG BOY you are!!!

We should stop this now, because anyone else already lost interest and it is obvious that you believe what you´re talking about. No matter what I say! No matter how many pics I´ll add...

So to say it with my words:

PERIOD!!!

[Edited 2006-07-26 21:05:40]
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting Christao17 (Reply 27):
Most airlines have pretty decent uniforms; it's the people who choose to wear them wrinkled, incomplete, untailored, etc. that keep them from looking sharp.

I recall one male UA flight attendant whom I saw on flights twice in the course of three months. Both times he had his tie loosened in a "I'm a drunk" look, top button of his shirt undone, sleeves rolled up, no jackets, and was unshaven. Only one word for the look: slovenly.

One thing I really appreciate is when people who wear uniforms as part of their jobs have enough self-respect to at least pull it together nicely at the start of the day and keep it together throughout the day.

Exactly, most airlines have at some point had some pretty drab uniforms (BA's tablecloth dresses, Lufthansa's early 1990s uniform for example) but the way the crew wears them makes the difference. US crews just don't seem to have any uniform regulations or if they do they are not enforced. Yes a designer uniform does make a differnce but think about it, if Air France crews wore bad shoes, had untidy hair and didn't take care of their uniforms would we all be singing the praise of the Christian Lacroix uniforms???
 
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:21 am

Honestly I don´t know why so many people keep saying that US crews don´t take pride in their appearance... that might be true for some US FA´s, but not for all.

I fly to the US about 3 to 4 times a month on business, and sometimes even more when I fly over to visit family and friends, and when flying privately I usually take US carriers mostly DL and sometimes UA (depending on where I go) and I used to deadhead a lot on AA and WN and I think it´s about time that I defend the US crews.

I haven´t seen that many sloppy looking US flight attendants in 20 years of flying as a passenger and flight attendant myself.

But I personally don´t think that a 60 year old flight attendant with 40 years of service wearing comfortable shoes instead of high heels looks sloppy!

It´s true that usually the European and Asian carriers have stricter uniform regulations and they´re trying to enforce them. But I prefer the way it´s in the US. They have regulations about appearance but they don´t overdo with it! I don´t want those Asian-like stereotype flight crews... I want personality... someone who seems to be himself, honest and authentic!!! So please leave people a little bit of individuality... which sure suits them better!

For myself I try to break the uniform regulations whenever and wherever possible! I wear a US/German flag pin and guardian angel on my uniform jacket, another US flagpin on my waistcoat, I sometimes don´t wear the vest even though we (the male FA´s) have to on any flight longer than 2 hours, I sometimes wear my sweater during service if I feel cold, which is not allowed... etc., etc. Does that make me a sloppy looking or bad flight attendant???!!! No, I don´t think so... I´m an authentic flight attendant and being authentic means that I feel comfortable and therefore I´m able to provide good work and a decent service to my passengers!

I never really got in trouble for doing it and I´m sure that not a single passenger (except maybe other airline employees) notice it or cares about it!

There are as many sloppy FA´s in Europe than the US, believe me... but the majority of airline crews take pride in their appearance and it has nothing to do with the kind of shoes somebody is waering.

And by the way it´s also a cultural thing... Americans in general seem to prefer comfortable outfits... not only in the airline business! In Europe you´d probably never see a secretary or any office worker wearing tennis shoes or sneakers together with the costume while running to catch the next subway or bus.

And of course for many Americans it seems that more US flight attendants than European flight attendants look sloppy... simply because you fly more within the US and more with US carriers. Take European carriers more often, also domestically or internal European flights (not only international) and you will realize, that the sloppy ones are everywhere! But they´re the minority.

I´ll keep flying US carriers whenever possible and I will continue to enjoy their service and appearance... It´s all about culture! The US is slightly different from Europe and way different from Asia... Just accept and enjoy each regions cultural characteristic features! And one American feature is that they like it comfortable and that airlines are equal opportunity emploeyers!!! Thank God!

Best regards

L1011Lover
 
tsaord
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:10 am

Excuse me.

I have yet to see a female crew from AF wear that lighter grey/bluish uniforms around ORD's parts. Do any of them have it?

Now Korean Air and Asiana!! They just look sharp all the time.
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RE: AA/UA/CO New Uniforms

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
But AA and CO really need a change.

Ours at CO are just fine: they're business-like, and go along with CO's livery.

But maybe while we're changing our uniforms, we an also change the livery, I guess.  Big grin
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