alexinwa
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UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:13 pm

Back in the good ole' days UA ran DC10's SEA-HKG (Flt 17 or 22) until the 747sp took over and then UA dumped that route. (Which I still can't understand)

What series DC10 was this?
What was the config? Did UA run this 3 classes?
What was the range?

DC10 range Vs. 747sp Vs. 747-100 or 747-200?

I remember the 747-100 or 747-200's that ran ORD-SEA-NRT had 3 class service and I know that the 747sp's did as well.
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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:23 pm

Most likely was the -30ER series. The -40 series was only ordered by JAL and Northwest. It was the first long range variant that was offered. The DC-10s most likely had 3 class service as well. The 747-200 had a full range of 6700 miles and the -30ER had a range of 6500 miles. The SP had the same range as the 30-ER at 6500. The 100 only had a range of 4500 miles.
 
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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:43 pm

I show SEA-HKG at 6500nm. I don't ever remember the DC10 or 747sp having an issue making the trip either way.

Wouldn't this be a little tight for both A/C?

The 747sp did SFO-HKG/JFK-NRT/LAX-SYD,....which are all quite a bit longer than SEA-HKG!!
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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:43 pm

ya i remember being on one of those flights back when i was a little kid. the flight was only like 11-12hours
wasn't that bad, but i remember landing in tapai or japan, don't remember that part. but it was deffienently and DC-10-30er
 
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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:47 pm

Quoting Mason747 (Reply 1):
Most likely was the -30ER series

These were the DC10-30's that they picked up from World Airways, Laker Airways in the mid 80's
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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:58 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
These were the DC10-30's that they picked up from World Airways, Laker Airways in the mid 80's

I thought they were the leased birds from CP...

They were in a three class config, with Business as 8 abreast (the "norm" at the time!). I have a seat map and brochure floating around somewhere, so I'll try to get that scanned and up here!

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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:18 pm

Yes, in fact they were -30s. My neighbor is a retired UA captain, and flew that route many times. No way could a -10 make that. Don't understand why UA dropped that route? Well, NW couldn't make it work either. I would love to see CX try it, the A343 would be a great fit. I don't see UA or NW starting this one up any time soon. Next intl destination from SEA: CDG or FRA.
 
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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:35 pm

It amazes me that there are two airlines flying to Taipei and two airlines flying to Seoul from Seattle, yet there are no airlines flying to HKG.
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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:42 pm

I believe the DC-10-30's UA flew on the SEA-HKG route were leased from CP Air--these DC-10's were fitted with extra fuel tanks so they could fly the route non-stop.
 
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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:53 pm

How long did UA lease the DC10-30's? That route was a DC10 for about 10 years or more if I'm not mistaken. It only went to the 747sp after UA bought the Pan Am pacific routes.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 7):
It amazes me that there are two airlines flying to Taipei and two airlines flying to Seoul from Seattle, yet there are no airlines flying to HKG.

Could not agree more. And don't forget the double daily to NRT.

I never thought that UA would pull SEA-HKG. And I doubt it was due to the flight not making money. The reason I remember it being cut was the thinking that going to HKG via SFO was no big deal.

Personally I would like to see SQ in SEA. Maybe a SEA-HKG-SIN route? I think the connections in Taipei/Seoul/Tokyo are good and with almost double daily flight on all those it's makes for alot choices. However I think SEA-HKG would work very well for any airline that started it!!
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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting Mason747 (Reply 1):
The SP had the same range as the 30-ER at 6500.

Whomever told you that was rather ill-informed. The 747SP was the longest ranged passenger aircraft ever built until the 777-200ER came along.
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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:42 pm

Quoting AlexInWa (Reply 9):
How long did UA lease the DC10-30's?

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RE: UA DC10's SEA-HKG

Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:46 pm

Quoting AlexInWa (Reply 9):
I never thought that UA would pull SEA-HKG. And I doubt it was due to the flight not making money. The reason I remember it being cut was the thinking that going to HKG via SFO was no big deal.

I could be completely wrong here - but I thought that they were required to relinquish the rights when they bought PAs transpacific routes